Trichomes & Harvesting

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
So I have a few plants that I do not know the flowering time of. This is my second time growing, has been pretty foxtaily but that was mainly due to me putting the 1000 watt uncooled at like 12" for 2 weeks. What I noticed is that a lot of the outer trichromes are more amber but the calyxes on the more inner parts of the bud are clear/cloudy. Could the heat and stress have made these trichromes mature faster?
I harvested 4 of the 8 plants, just the tops there is still the lower half of the plant. The stems weren't very hollow and I saw that to be a possible problem. The buds dried pretty quickly and the smoke isn't that intense. They seemed to lose a lot of their body, and I would compare the high to some good mids maybe shitty crip but nothing special. the plants look like they have sativa leaves so could I possibly have taken the tops a few weeks early and they didn't get a chance to mature fully or cover themself with enough trichs?
I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what question you want answered, no offense but you seem a bit confused about the situation.
Could you perhaps post some pictures and give a bit more detail?

To answer a general question if that was what you were looking for: Many new growers harvest too early, and when you harvest too early you end up with predominantly clear trichome harvests which don't give very powerful highs, because of the immature nature of the substances.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
i know this thread was posted quite some time ago but your details on the subject lead me to believe that your expertise could give me an answer. my pineapple chunk has developed a handfull amber tri's on the kola but the rest of the plant is still about 50-50 clear/cloudy. should i look into a selective harvest method or wait for the rest of the plant to follow suit? i know that tri's will still mature after harvest so what is my window on that? any info you have is much appreciated

I would need more general information to answer that question and some pictures if possible.
Normally I wouldn't recommend selective harvesting to new growers but every case is different and without me seeing what is going on for myself it's hard to call (sometimes new growers get confused and report things differently than they actually are).
 

itsraininbuds

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I would need more general information to answer that question and some pictures if possible.
Normally I wouldn't recommend selective harvesting to new growers but every case is different and without me seeing what is going on for myself it's hard to call (sometimes new growers get confused and report things differently than they actually are).
well im using a jewler's loop to look at the trichomes but here are some pictures of the plant. in the past few weeks i have had some trouble with what im guessing is ph. i am using ff ocean forest and this isnt my first grow, but it is my first time using ocean forest. i tried everything i could to fix the ph but the soil remains around 7.2. i've already flushed it and all that but to no avail. regardless of that, the buds still seem to be producing ok for a small plant. but you can critique for your self. all help is appreciated.top bud.jpgmiddle bud.jpglowest bud.jpg
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
well im using a jewler's loop to look at the trichomes but here are some pictures of the plant. in the past few weeks i have had some trouble with what im guessing is ph. i am using ff ocean forest and this isnt my first grow, but it is my first time using ocean forest. i tried everything i could to fix the ph but the soil remains around 7.2. i've already flushed it and all that but to no avail. regardless of that, the buds still seem to be producing ok for a small plant. but you can critique for your self. all help is appreciated.View attachment 2803383View attachment 2803384View attachment 2803385

Well that certainly is a bit high pH, if possible I would switch soil or perhaps try to flush it properly several times before use and test it to see how the "base" pH is fluctuating.

Your plants look fairly healthy though, I see some tip damage but the colours of the leaves have a good dark green tinge.

Your plant is nowhere near finished though, the calyxes have not swelled up, nor have the pistils changed colour really.
You still have quite a few weeks to go.
 

Sand4x105

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i dont know about this NO flushing thing. the best breeders/growers in the world flush. wtf?The science speaks for itself, you can look up any thread/post I've written on the subject if you need more information


This thread is not the place to discuss a settled issue.

Thank you k0ijn… Nothing like the expert ending BS…
 

itsraininbuds

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Well that certainly is a bit high pH, if possible I would switch soil or perhaps try to flush it properly several times before use and test it to see how the "base" pH is fluctuating.

Your plants look fairly healthy though, I see some tip damage but the colours of the leaves have a good dark green tinge.

Your plant is nowhere near finished though, the calyxes have not swelled up, nor have the pistils changed colour really.
You still have quite a few weeks to go.
well thank you very much! i will be buying a new ph meter immediately because the one i just bought is definitely giving me trouble. and as far as the soil goes, everyone gave me the advice to use ocean forest so i went with it. but it does seem to be coming with some ph problems. thanks again for the expertise. namaste
 

perplexus

Member
K0jin thank you for your time here. Youve helped so many people out. Well done. I tried to read tge entire thread, but skipped most of the 30's, as many questions were redundant. I hope i dont ask another redundant question as a result.

First: trying real hard to believe the no flush assertion. I mean, i do, in theory. Ive done the research, i seen your arguments, i understand the science. Now why, in spite of all of this, do i still think im going to do a final water and 1-2 days of rest just before i take my "A" buds? I feel like a supersticious Old fool. Ha! I wont be doing any extended final darkperiod either. This is impossible anyway due to daytime temps.

Second: can you talk a little about sugars? Many nute programs add a final sugar type product, others do not. Im running GO in soil in a greenhouse. The GO line does not include a "sweetener", per se. my questions are.... Should i add an additional sugar product? If so what? What kinds of sugars are best utilized by root zone organisms? Do any sugars actually get absorbed by the roots, or do they soley feed these organisms?
What is the science behind the sugar?

Third: I would like to take the upper branches, colas and some of the lower terminal buds, letting the lower inner stuff fluff a little. what should i do to the stem where i take the cola? Duct tape? Cloning gel would seal it, but would the hormones screw with my girls? Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

I have several ladies coming in hot and will probably post some pictures soon re: trichs. And again, thank you for all of your time and patience here.

"90% of weed growing knowledge is monkey see, monkey do"
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
K0jin thank you for your time here. Youve helped so many people out. Well done. I tried to read tge entire thread, but skipped most of the 30's, as many questions were redundant. I hope i dont ask another redundant question as a result.

First: trying real hard to believe the no flush assertion. I mean, i do, in theory. Ive done the research, i seen your arguments, i understand the science. Now why, in spite of all of this, do i still think im going to do a final water and 1-2 days of rest just before i take my "A" buds? I feel like a supersticious Old fool. Ha! I wont be doing any extended final darkperiod either. This is impossible anyway due to daytime temps.

Second: can you talk a little about sugars? Many nute programs add a final sugar type product, others do not. Im running GO in soil in a greenhouse. The GO line does not include a "sweetener", per se. my questions are.... Should i add an additional sugar product? If so what? What kinds of sugars are best utilized by root zone organisms? Do any sugars actually get absorbed by the roots, or do they soley feed these organisms?
What is the science behind the sugar?

Third: I would like to take the upper branches, colas and some of the lower terminal buds, letting the lower inner stuff fluff a little. what should i do to the stem where i take the cola? Duct tape? Cloning gel would seal it, but would the hormones screw with my girls? Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

I have several ladies coming in hot and will probably post some pictures soon re: trichs. And again, thank you for all of your time and patience here.

"90% of weed growing knowledge is monkey see, monkey do"
Thank you for your kind words.

I guess it does come down to tradition and routine for some people, it can be hard to let go of things you've done for a long time, and certainly the brain can easily be taught/fooled into taking fiction for facts even when faced with evidence.
I don't personally have anything against people who pre-harvest flush, the only thing I ask is that people don't claim it's scientifically proven to work and/or try to teach it as fact/evidence to impressionable people.

Regarding sugar/molasses (or even honey which some people use) I would say that we need to make a distinction between the fictional, subjective fantasy part of the argument and the scientific.
The discussion surrounding sugars is very muddled and has as much to do with personal preference as it has to do with science, which is why the distinction is important to make.
Some of the things these formulas are mentioned to help with include; hardening the buds, growth spurts & flavour improvements.
I would argue that these three topics are highly mythical and subjective, some have to do with the conditions of the grow, some have to do with genetics & strains and some are just flat out myths.
I would not use any sugar additive to achieve any of these things since I personally see it as fairy stories and placebo/marketing successes.
What I mean is there is no concrete science backing up the claims.

I do think however that molasses & sugar formulas can help with stimulating the enzymes and beneficial bacteria environment in the grow medium.
This subject is not really up to debate (in contrast to the three previously mentioned), it's scientific fact that these sugars have their uses in soil and/or mediums which have an active living root system (presence of -and thriving Mycorrhizae).
In basic terms: The sugars & carbohydrates feed the bacteria which helps maintain a thriving root environment which in turn produces healthy plants.
If you do have access to molasses for example I would give it a go to see if you can improve the general well-being of your plants.
The root environment is also stimulated, however saying which exact formula works best is difficult as it depends on a lot of variables.
I would go with the basic molasses though and not fall into the marketing trap of the huge companies trying to make a quick buck.
I hope that explained it well enough.


If you do want to cut off parts of the plant while leaving the rest to flourish a bit longer I would just make sure the equipment used is as sterile as possible and then make sure you do not touch or add anything to the "open wounds" for at least 24h-48h after cutting, to reduce the chance of diseases.
You always run the risk though, you can never be 100% sure of no diseases setting in, but as long as you keep a clean environment and don't purposefully try to infect the plants with bad crap then you would probably be surprised at exactly how resistant some strains are to diseases etc.
Just try to cut off as little surface area as possible.

You're welcome, I hope the info helped :weed:
 

perplexus

Member
Great, thanks again! Lastly, i know that this is slightly off thread, but as it applys this this phase of the show, im gonna go for it.

Is there any other, science based advice that you would give for improving yeild/flavor in the final weeks of flowering? Do high p levels really help or just poison your plant? What are the substances needed to push tons of huge trichs? Oh and... Ive heard some auto/early flowers never really amber. Is this true? Am i waiting for amber that will never come?

Sorry, barrage of questions... I cant turn down science.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
Great, thanks again! Lastly, i know that this is slightly off thread, but as it applys this this phase of the show, im gonna go for it.

Is there any other, science based advice that you would give for improving yeild/flavor in the final weeks of flowering? Do high p levels really help or just poison your plant? What are the substances needed to push tons of huge trichs? Oh and... Ive heard some auto/early flowers never really amber. Is this true? Am i waiting for amber that will never come?

Sorry, barrage of questions... I cant turn down science.
Yw.

Apart from keeping the growing environment within the various parameters and making sure you feed your plants properly all the way until the end of flowering there isn't much else which can "push out trichs".
Whenever you hear that phrase you should be careful believing what follows it, there is a lot of misinformation on the internet about Cannabis and a lot of straight up wishful thinking and age old myths.
You should just stick to the basics and try to filter out as much of the bullshit as possible.
Getting the best results is just about giving the plants what they need and making sure you pick a strain which suits what you want.
How a plant grows and what it produces is in effect controlled by genetics and the growing variables (light, air, CO2, nutrients etc. etc.).

Regarding the "auto/early flowers", I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean but I assume we're talking about autoflowering strains.
I have heard of people claiming to have grown strains which did not produce amber trichs during flowering at all, whether it's really a problem is another question, since it seems to almost never happen (we're talking 0.01%) and when it does happen it happens across strains and breeds and isn't centralized on certain species (like auto).

I would worry about it, if it does happen I would take it as a positive, since if you would be able to grow out a plant to near 100% cloudy trichs without any clear and without any amber you would end up with near perfect potency potential in that particular strain.

You should just focus on keep the parameters and variables under control, keep giving the plants what they are asking for (look at your plants and make informed decisions) and don't be impatient, patience is key in growing.
 

spontcumb

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..and it's not just kOijn that's saying that..I've read some extensive posts regarding this as well from some pretty serious growers on another site. I couldn't agree more. I'm at the last cpl of weeks of some seriously juicy looking full bodied girls, and there's no way I'd stop feeding them now of all times....maybe..maybe, 2-3 days before I chop but thats about it...and 24 hours of that time they'll be in darkness with not even another watering anyway....The way I look at it is...do pregnant woman that are ready to give birth stop feeding themselves and start a cleanse?? No!
Do pregnant women smoke their newborn child?
 

Father Ramirez

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RIU has proved a soothing and restorative sanctuary in the disappointing climate of fantasy based cannabis cultivation forums. This is an exciting time in this industry's evolution. Knowledgeable, hard working people will advance it. Superstitious, text talking, always baked slackers will cling to their medieval methods. The gap between the two will widen. In the next decade cannabis science will grow as quickly as the plant itself, but there will continue to be no shortage of 'myth based' growers. k0ijn, you, sir, are an enigma! I like your holistic blending of science with a Native American like belief that all things speak if we can calm ourselves enough to listen.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
RIU has proved a soothing and restorative sanctuary in the disappointing climate of fantasy based cannabis cultivation forums. This is an exciting time in this industry's evolution. Knowledgeable, hard working people will advance it. Superstitious, text talking, always baked slackers will cling to their medieval methods. The gap between the two will widen. In the next decade cannabis science will grow as quickly as the plant itself, but there will continue to be no shortage of 'myth based' growers. k0ijn, you, sir, are an enigma! I like your holistic blending of science with a Native American like belief that all things speak if we can calm ourselves enough to listen.
Thank you for your kind words Father Ramirez.

I must say you have without a doubt given me the most eloquently written compliment I've ever gotten.
I'm not really spiritual but your description is heartwarming and quite fitting now that I think about it.
 

abuilder

Well-Known Member
Thank you for your kind words Father Ramirez.

I must say you have without a doubt given me the most eloquently written compliment I've ever gotten.
I'm not really spiritual but your description is heartwarming and quite fitting now that I think about it.
Yep...I loved Father Remirez's post to you as well...great post F.R!!
EDIT: and if you're really a minister of sorts...sorry about my icon if you find it offensive...lol
 

Father Ramirez

Well-Known Member
Offensive, abuilder? Hardley, friend! Being a man of the cloth does not preclude having a diverse sense of humor. I have learned from you as well, so thanks.
 

abuilder

Well-Known Member
Offensive, abuilder? Hardley, friend! Being a man of the cloth does not preclude having a diverse sense of humor. I have learned from you as well, so thanks.
and as a man of the cloth you must have great respect for my man Abbie Hoffman, may he rest in peace.... so bless you my son , or would that be my father..or..well..you know what I mean my brother ....and I'll leave you with a flash from the past by a great fighter of human rights.. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/chicago7/hoffman.html
 

Father Ramirez

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Abbie's heart was in the right place, but he was too much of a wise ass to be effective at winning over the other side. He was part revolutionary, part stand up comic. Interesting read...I like that 'the witness' confirmed exorcising evil spirits from the Pentagon -LoL. Throughout history, sadly, arms and religion (or just a crazy belief system in Hitler's case) have made for a tragic combo.
 

abuilder

Well-Known Member
Abbie's heart was in the right place, but he was too much of a wise ass to be effective at winning over the other side. He was part revolutionary, part stand up comic. Interesting read...I like that 'the witness' confirmed exorcising evil spirits from the Pentagon -LoL. Throughout history, sadly, arms and religion (or just a crazy belief system in Hitler's case) have made for a tragic combo.
He did a lot most people don't even know about. they only know him for his wise guy street theater antics, which btw, wasn't just about being a wise guy. It was about shocking people into see what was going on in Nam, Washington, the court system, public education...so on and so forth and did you know while he was underground disguised as mild-mannered citizen activist Barry Freed, he was appointed to a federal environmental commission by President Carter....and awarded a citation from New York Gov. Hugh Carey for his environmental work. After the disguised Hoffman..aka Barry Freed, in a suit and tie, gave calm and reasoned testimony to a U.S. congressional committee, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan leaned into his microphone and reportedly said, “Mr. Freed, after listening to you, now I know that the ‘60s are finally over.”
It was absolutely amazing that abbie made many many newspapers in photo ops with Daniel Moynahan and others in Congress and no one knew he was wanted by the FBI. One amazing man....
 

Father Ramirez

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ab... If somehow my post inspired your memory of this man you find inspirational, I'm happy to have done so. Lest others think I did not give props to k0ijn after he graciously acknowledged my post, I had answered him directly after his post in a thread I started; "What a treat to receive your thorough reply! Thanks, k0ijn. I've listened to her from the start, when we set the estimated harvest date as Sept 19, the harvest moon, but we had no idea how the plant would grow, or even if it was female. We're very lucky our unskilled hands have tended this beauty. The aroma! Grapefruit and pine cones: care to guess at a strain? I wish we could let it fill the house. (apology for lack or new paragraph - this tablet just won't do it!) Fresh question k0ijn; - and I reluctantly ask it because I so want to believe the answer is YES. Having learned about coconut water on orchid and pepper forums as well as here, I used it at 15:1 and the buds appeared to spurt. A few days ago I opened a fresh coco, not a can, and overnight they grew nearly 1" and are clearly loaded with fattened calyxes. Did coco water have anything to do with it, or is it just the plant's natural timing? ty, k!
 
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