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Trichy Bastard

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The roots are always a min of 6" above the bottom of my chambers. I did not see any change in the roots nor plants during the time the ice was in the chamber. My accumulator is only 2 gallons/chamber. They are smaller and I do plan on adding some well tanks when I get around to it. For the time being they work just fine. BTW I am not dealing with any heat issues at the moment, I only ran this test in order to verify my hypothesis. I understand Atomizers design and if one is aware of a possible heat wave during a summer cycle, they would be wise to incorporate the same preventative measures. Another idea I have bounced around would be a heat exchanger mounted inside the chamber with a chiller supplying the necessary cold water supply.
I too have considered the heat exchanger idea- my only concern is that it may get in the way of the roots and mist. The best idea I could come up with is to route coils of tubing all the way around the inner walls of the chamber- it will radiate cool throughout without any central obstructions.
 

Trichy Bastard

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Not bad, although i think he is still falling short of the actual root hairs. I have a feeling he is overfeeding, but he may have to if his cycles are still too long due to mist run-on doubling his cycle time. I wonder if his chamber is too small. Although I admit his roots don't look totally soaking wet, so that's a good start. Keep us posted on his progress over there... I didn't notice any mention of the nozzles he was using?
Take a look at g-loves root hairs again...
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PetFlora

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Here's a very simple (cheap) way that I used to solve internal heat/humidity during my last effort. Too bad it took me 5 days to figure it out. By that time the heat stress caused me to lose my root hairs and all 4 plants to become males.

What you don't see is a small fan blowing directly across the vent from the right side, which pulls the hot air out. You could probably achieve the same result without the elbow but then you would have light getting into the pod.

hth



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Trichy Bastard

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Here's a very simple (cheap) way that I used to solve internal heat/humidity during my last effort. Too bad it took me 5 days to figure it out. By that time the heat stress caused me to lose my root hairs and all 4 plants to become males.

What you don't see is a small fan blowing directly across the vent from the right side, which pulls the hot air out. You could probably achieve the same result without the elbow but then you would have light getting into the pod.

hth


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So that is the only hole in your pod? I wonder if you could leave that the way it is, and also make a small hole down lower in the pod walls. The convection effect should draw cooler air in the bottom hole, while venting it out the top without the need for any fan and probably work even better at removing the hot air only. The plants look quite happy- congrats :) Periscope up! lol
 

PetFlora

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There are some smaller holes on the sides from moving the mist head assembly around. The problem is the room is Fn hot- no cool air to draw in. I do keep iced bottles in the rez though
 

Trichy Bastard

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Well, today I finally had the guts to resubmit the order for the remaining parts I thought I'd already ordered. I don't quite have the cash yet, but have some money flowing my way and am gonna just cross my fingers that it pans out as planned. I'm not really accustomed to being so tight on cash, but in todays economy it seems no one is immune to the effects. I was really getting bummed about the wait, and just had to be a little impulsive. If all goes well I should be throwing together my system soon enough... Thanks for everyone's patience, I sort of feel the need to keep moving ahead since I know all you guys are watching... lol
 

Mike Young

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You have nozzles, accumulator & pump right? Assuming you do, you could be playing around with mist. I am a little anxious to see what you think of the bio nozzles. Really want to know if I just got a bad batch, or what? I wish there was a way to speed up the growth rate of my clone, so I could take some damn cuttings already, and put my rig to the test. Impatiently waiting sucks. I'm with ya, bro.
 

r0m30

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Cavadge's thread # 609. I tried copying this photo twice but it doesn't stay. I knew I had seen this somewhere. After exhaustive searching, I called JG they say no carry. Does anyone have a source for this?
It's made by DMFit Part Number ADMF0404 for the 1/4 inch one and ADMF0606 for the 3/8 one. I got the 1/4 inch from seller fixurwater on ebay here. Freshwater systems also claims to sell them but I wanted mine before Christmas.

You can see it installed here:
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PetFlora

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r0m30: I'm guessing it's in the lower left corner before the pump. Have you tried it after the pump, too? I am using a much larger in-line filter (200 mesh) between rez/pump but still get some clogged mist head screens. So I was thinking to put one both before and after. Do you know whether it reduces pressure after the pump? Thanks

Here is actual page link for 3/8: http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-5875-filter-strainer-38-x-38-push-in-200-mesh-60-mic.aspx
 

r0m30

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r0m30: I'm guessing it's in the lower left corner before the pump. Have you tried it after the pump, too?........... Do you know whether it reduces pressure after the pump?
Yes, that's it, haven't tried it after the pump. I'm attaching a screen cap of the DMFit catalog page for them. If I'm reading the chart right the 3/8 filter has a delta P of 7.25 PSI at 87 PSI.
 

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Trichy Bastard

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You have nozzles, accumulator & pump right? Assuming you do, you could be playing around with mist. I am a little anxious to see what you think of the bio nozzles. Really want to know if I just got a bad batch, or what? I wish there was a way to speed up the growth rate of my clone, so I could take some damn cuttings already, and put my rig to the test. Impatiently waiting sucks. I'm with ya, bro.
Well, the one thing i was lacking way a way to connect the nozzles to the jg pipe- then realized also needed a way to connect the pipe to the pump- lol... The parts are en route- so should be soon enough... Instead of rigging while waiting, just focused on other areas of life, working on a business on the side too- so I stay plenty busy lately.
 

Trichy Bastard

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It's made by DMFit Part Number ADMF0404 for the 1/4 inch one and ADMF0606 for the 3/8 one. I got the 1/4 inch from seller fixurwater on ebay here. Freshwater systems also claims to sell them but I wanted mine before Christmas.

You can see it installed here:
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Must be dumb luck- I recently ordered from freshwater systems again, and was surprised to see their letter saying my order had shipped within 6 hours of my submission... LOL Knock on wood... I did pay the extra couple dollars for priority mail vs. parcel post both times- perhaps that makes a difference? It was literally less than 5 dollars difference.

Gotta wonder if my thinking is incorrect to prefilter before the pump only. Besides worrying about restricting pump draw, the only reason I see to have a filter inline after the accumulator vs before the pump is to catch any precipitate caused by pumping heat and pressure- but does anyone know if this will ever be an issue at such low ec? My reasoning for filtering before pump and everything was to keep as many particles out of the pump and accumulator too. Also is there any reason to think 1 microns will strain out some of the usable nutes- or are they much smaller than that still? Obvious I'm only speaking sediment filters and not carbon filters- I will be starting off with r.o. water in the first place.
 

r0m30

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Must be dumb luck- I recently ordered from freshwater systems again, and was surprised to see their letter saying my order had shipped within 6 hours of my submission... LOL Knock on wood... I did pay the extra couple dollars for priority mail vs. parcel post both times- perhaps that makes a difference? It was literally less than 5 dollars difference.
I don't know what it is, I paid for fed-ex and the A$$holes sent my stuff first class mail after a wonderful six week delay.:evil:
Gotta wonder if my thinking is incorrect to prefilter before the pump only. Besides worrying about restricting pump draw, the only reason I see to have a filter inline after the accumulator vs before the pump is to catch any precipitate caused by pumping heat and pressure- but does anyone know if this will ever be an issue at such low ec? My reasoning for filtering before pump and everything was to keep as many particles out of the pump and accumulator too. Also is there any reason to think 1 microns will strain out some of the usable nutes- or are they much smaller than that still? Obvious I'm only speaking sediment filters and not carbon filters- I will be starting off with r.o. water in the first place.
That's pretty much the way I was thinking as well. I don't think precipitates will be a problem if you're using good quality soluble nutes. There was a guy (with the screen name of john guest I think) who was using one of those hand pumps they use to pressure check plumbing to fill his accumulator once a week and he said he never experienced problems.
 

konagirl420

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Hehehehe I certainly have no clue, but I am just here reading all your amazing stuff and think everything you all do is awesome :) So go Team!!!
 

PetFlora

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Must be dumb luck- I recently ordered from freshwater systems again, and was surprised to see their letter saying my order had shipped within 6 hours of my submission... LOL Knock on wood... I did pay the extra couple dollars for priority mail vs. parcel post both times- perhaps that makes a difference? It was literally less than 5 dollars difference.

Gotta wonder if my thinking is incorrect to prefilter before the pump only. Besides worrying about restricting pump draw, the only reason I see to have a filter inline after the accumulator vs before the pump is to catch any precipitate caused by pumping heat and pressure- but does anyone know if this will ever be an issue at such low ec? My reasoning for filtering before pump and everything was to keep as many particles out of the pump and accumulator too. Also is there any reason to think 1 microns will strain out some of the usable nutes- or are they much smaller than that still? Obvious I'm only speaking sediment filters and not carbon filters- I will be starting off with r.o. water in the first place.
TB: You are correct in your assumption. However, I have a 4" 200 mesh in-line filter before the pump (inspected/cleaned every 2-3 weeks) and still wound up with clogged mist heads. My heads have tiny, cleanable, screens, which had actually clogged. (edit: I run RO water through the entire system, then break everything down, including mist heads, and clean them between grows.)

I am hoping the easy access post pump filter will eliminate having to take the heads out and clean them during grows. Not a big deal, but if your heads are remotely clogged, the amount and quality of atomized mist will suffer. What I don't know, although r0m30 kindly posted the info, is what that means in the real world of pressure to the heads.

I ordered 2 from Fresh Water but they were not in stock. Keep you posted.

hth
 

Trichy Bastard

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I don't know what it is, I paid for fed-ex and the A$$holes sent my stuff first class mail after a wonderful six week delay.:evil:

That's pretty much the way I was thinking as well. I don't think precipitates will be a problem if you're using good quality soluble nutes. There was a guy (with the screen name of john guest I think) who was using one of those hand pumps they use to pressure check plumbing to fill his accumulator once a week and he said he never experienced problems.
That's just plain incompetent r0m- sorry such a bad expereince with those guys. Yeah that John Guest guy was really interesting- I think he really had some good ideas...

Hehehehe I certainly have no clue, but I am just here reading all your amazing stuff and think everything you all do is awesome :) So go Team!!!
Thanks aero-cheeleader for striking again! :D Btw- your grow is turning out top notch, so I oughtta come over and cheer-lead for you!

TB: You are correct in your assumption. However, I have a 4" 200 mesh in-line filter before the pump (inspected/cleaned every 2-3 weeks) and still wound up with clogged mist heads. My heads have tiny, cleanable, screens, which had actually clogged. (edit: I run RO water through the entire system, then break everything down, including mist heads, and clean them between grows.)

I am hoping the easy access post pump filter will eliminate having to take the heads out and clean them during grows. Not a big deal, but if your heads are remotely clogged, the amount and quality of atomized mist will suffer. What I don't know, although r0m30 kindly posted the info, is what that means in the real world of pressure to the heads.

I ordered 2 from Fresh Water but they were not in stock. Keep you posted.

hth
Thanks PF- I wonder if the 200 mesh is still too large. I would think a 5 micron filter or perhaps a 1 micron filter bag to pour your nutes through like Atomizer does would be a good route- what do you think?
 

PetFlora

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You are confusing 'mesh' with' microns'. The higher the mesh, the smaller the micron. 200 mesh = 60 micron. 100 mesh= 150 micron

I am using DM nutes- extremely clean. BUT I recently discovered on their website that the order they are introduced will make a difference in precip. Now I wasn't getting a lot and the bulkhead from the rez is higher than the bottom so the preciped nutes weren't a problem there. It's a mystery, but I expect to solve it.
 

Mike Young

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I got tired of spritzing my baby grrl and decided to put my equipment to work. Some of it, anyway. Also, turns out, subway makes a pretty decent humidome.

Edit: This clone was cut from a plant in flower, so it's gonna take awhile to revert back to veg, hence the dome even though I've had it for over a week.

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