trump's concentration camps for kids
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Andrewk420
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What you call something isn't necessarily what it is. You keep throwing around "democracy". Is the US a pure democracy?
The US has socialized police, fire, and medic to go along with roads and other physical infrastructure. We also have socialized retirement and disability insurance. I can go on, but you get my point. Is the US socialist?
I can call my dog a lion all day, but it's still a dog.
Id rather be dumb than an ignorant bigot.you are dumb
buffalo wings come from buffaloes with wings
Why dont you use that big head of yours to explain why Nazi's aren't socialists?
Did i say i thought the USA was a democracy?
I said i believe in democracy.
I also said free speech is part of democracy.
You tell me where free speech sits in socialist values?
Production and economy is ultimately controlled by corporation, or an organization.
Socialism doesnt care about individuals and minority. It only cares about what the majority has to say.
Its discriminatory.
Democracy, at its core is about YOU the individual.
Socialism isnt even a political ideology.
Its an economic one.
Hence "Nationalist Socialist Party"
Can you not see how Nationalism plus a Socialist economy can be a horrible thing?
How weren't the Nazi's values about finances socialist at its core?
Andrewk420
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The nazis had no real economic philosophy. They used "socialism" as rhetoric about their economic vision, but read about the actual economy of the third reich. They were winging it. They were winging it, because they were only interested in the subjugation and "socializing" of the people under their rule. They put huge tarrifs on foreign goods and aimed for a "German Made" attitude, despite having to ration the relatively limited domestic food sources and clothes.
Any of that sound any more familiar? Instead of just applying 9th grade civics class definitions to words you read, look into the context. It has a way of painting a different picture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
You read the 25 rules and tell me.
Socialism is all very well and good until you're being silenced from your community, or being targeted because you don't "fit in". (Jew's)
Did I say all socialism was bad?
Did I say all socialists were bad people?
Everyone here seems to think all socialists are good people.
I'm saying some definitely aren't good people.(my opinion, not speaking for anyone else here)
How isnt Trump a socialist?
You tell me?
Andrewk420
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He's using "National Socialist" rhetoric.
You're an idiot if you think that Wikipedia article is anything close to what nazi Germany really was, economically or socially.
Andrewk420
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I clicked on your Wikipedia link. The very first tenant:
"We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination"
Replace the word "Germans" with "American" and "Germany" with "America", and tell me that doesn't sound like a Trump tweet or sound bite.
Andrewk420
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Ask the Mexicans, central and South Americans or Muslims in America.
You don't think you could put the word America in front of all 25 points?
Why are we even debating here lol.
Do you think Trump is a complete disgrace?
I do.
WTF is your view here?
I'm totally confused. All you've done so far is point your finger, and accuse.
BTW who do I vote for again?
OMFG dude.
You are ranting to the wrong person here.
They deserve EQUALITY.
Same as both of us.
It's their damn right.
They deserve a VOICE.
SneekyNinja
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This country isnt a democracy at all, to claim otherwise is ridiculous.
We're a Constitutional Republic.
Democracies generally elect the winner of the vote, so Hillary would be President now.
Andrewk420
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Tim, man, you're hopped up on Adderall (hopefully I suppose) or something man. You're trying to play both sides of the fence on issues that are mutually exclusive.
You're simultaneously arguing that America and Trump are and aren't national socialists, you're arguing that Trump and his supporters are and aren't fascists, and you're saying you are and aren't an American voter.
The one thing you're consistent with is that you believe everyone should have a say, no matter how extreme. But that's as anti-american (and anti-humanity)as it gets. The state can't deny their right under it to freedom to demonstrate and express their beliefs. But it also can't stop counter demonstrations and citizens working together to silence them. And the last part is our moral and patriotic duty when it comes to fascists.
You're simultaneously arguing that America and Trump are and aren't national socialists, you're arguing that Trump and his supporters are and aren't fascists, and you're saying you are and aren't an American voter.
The one thing you're consistent with is that you believe everyone should have a say, no matter how extreme. But that's as anti-american (and anti-humanity)as it gets. The state can't deny their right under it to freedom to demonstrate and express their beliefs. But it also can't stop counter demonstrations and citizens working together to silence them. And the last part is our moral and patriotic duty when it comes to fascists.
robert 14617
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Democracy vs. Republic. ... In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.
Democracy not even close (to the republic for witch it stands )
What I originally stated, was i believe socialism is a very broad term in definition.
I stated i believe "some" socialists, and communists are often fascist as well.
I stated Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini were socialists. Which you can check for yourself.
I stated the National Socialist Party were socialists. Which they are.
I stated freedom of speech, was a core value of democracy.
I stated freedom of speech is written in the constitution. Its in The First Amendment.
I never stated I believe the USA is a democracy.
I never stated Australia was either.
I also stated I am pro democracy.
Now instead of being a total arsehole, why not be democratic, and argue your point?
Sour Wreck
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wtf do they teach in you in schools over there.
you don't have a clue. fascists are right winged you fucking moron...
Sour Wreck
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there is diarrhea coming out of your mouth(keyboard)
Ironic or unironic
UncleBuck
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mexican kids are human beings
Yep exactly.
These human beings dont have a say, and their children are being used by the Trump Administration as collateral to push a fascist agenda.
Why shouldnt the whole world be speaking up about this?
Its a human rights issue.
Let alone what the Mexican children might want to say.
