Trying BHO... want input

So, I want to try to make BHO... (Butane Honey Oil)... apparently it's all the rage.
now, I am trying it two different ways.
the glass tube extractor. and a thermos (aka vacuum flask)

a few questions... ONLY for people who have done this before!

(Thermos only) Do you introduce the plant, or the butane first?..
I read one account where there were 3 holes drilled in the cap
(center for filling, outer 2 for breathing)
this guy put the butane in first...which, if you have proper temps..should be possible.
anyone else done that?

then theres... how to process the plant.
I know you dont want too fine of a grind... but I cant very well put in whole stems and fan leaves, right?

....all accounts I've read of evaporation are sketchy at best.
so, the theory as I understand it....
after you get the gooey stuff on a pyrex dish... you need to heat the dish?
usually done with a beaker, tongs, and an ice bin....right? if it were a real lab setup....
could I let it all drip into a mason jar and then put the jar in a pot of boiling water? like the crackheads rockitup? lol

Thanks!

Lol well you add the butane to the bud, purge with vaccum or etoh. You can put in stems and such, obviously not too big... if you really feel so inclined you can simply evap the bho over hot water but won't remove everything...

Just Google it.

qwizoking said:

Lol well you add the butane to the bud, purge with vaccum or etoh. You can put in stems and such, obviously not too big... if you really feel so inclined you can simply evap the bho over hot water but won't remove everything...

Just Google it.

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can you explain that a little? the purging part.... why wont the water method work?

I have never heard of this thermos method and it sounds like a pain in the ass. I use a glass tube (you can also use aluminum I believe). If you know a glass blower they can make one real easy. If you are around a head shop, they should sell them by now. Glass tube is about 1.5-2 ft long with one side open and the other has a small hole for injecting the butane. (get X5 or X7 butane) The open side gets covered with 2 coffee filters and rubber band to hold it on. You let the butane run all the way through and eventually it will come out of the coffee filters and into your pyrex glass that is on something warm like a hot plate. Not too hot… just warm. You let it sit and bubble most of the butane out.

Then you can whip it around with a utensil. It is sticky as a motherfucker, so try to be clean with it. once you feel that the bubbles have worked there way out, scrape it onto empartchment paper. (THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP IF YOU WANT CLEAN BHO)=> You want to vacuum purge it. The way I do it is with a large mason jar and a vacuum pump. Put the product and emparchment paper in the jar.. place a rubber lid on top with a hose form the pump to the lid. when you kick the pump on it will seal itself. When it vacuums the BHO will swell like a muffin top. Don't let it hit the sides of the jar. When it gets big, just let off the vacuum and repeat.

I know there are very expensive vacuum purge machines you can buy for optimal results, but this method works and tests clean as well. Just don't be like some of the idiots out there and not do the purge. That is important to get all the butane out.

Also, for the love of satan, please do this in a well ventilated area or even better, outside. Never around a pilot light. You will go up in flames.

I would go on to explaining how, but there are some good youtube videos and what not that you can find already.
Hope this helps, works for me and my patients.

and if you purge with ether... why wouldnt you just use the ether to begin with? instead of the butane?

It forms an azeotrope similar to why its difficult to acquire over 95% etoh or 91% isopropanol.... will have small percentage probly not more than already ingested via lighter

Ether is lame its pretty polar, bho is non polar . Ether is like isopropanol its polar. Bho can be winterized much more effectively and makes a more pristine extract ..... don't get me wrong ISO is my personal preference

Not to mention purity. Don't use starting fluid acquiring reagent grade everything is best

Prefilter butane - rid of benzene, sulfur, propane propellants, and butane gases. Even 7x filtered has all those chem

Use glass or galvanized steel tubing . Any other metal or plastic, butane will leech chemicals from.

Vaccuum purge do not whip. Whipping traps butane.

Cure for a minimum of 10 days.

Pretty much if you don't have a lab set up going. You are not going to make it properly.

90% of bho wax out there is not made properly. Might as well be huffing on spray paint.

If bho tastes like a vapor toke or popcorn. It was not made properly.

Ice wax is so much better. Cleaner, tastier, more potent, larger return, melts the same.


Look up Matt Rize and My Father methods on here.

hyroot said:

Ice wax is so much better, larger return,

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you can bullshit your friends in real life, but dont bullshit the noobs here. they will be sadly disappointed when they run their material and only get a 5-10% return where as BHO will yield 15-20% of very potent stuff. the only thing ice wax has is that its cleaner, id bet that most BHO is more potent than the average ice hash. and you get double the return.

lol larger returns my ass

hyroot said:

Prefilter butane - rid of benzene, sulfur, propane propellants, and butane gases. Even 7x filtered has all those chem.

Ummmmm, I can see where the butane gases come from, as well as the propane propellant, but where did the Benzene come from?

Use glass or galvanized steel tubing . Any other metal or plastic, butane will leech chemicals from.

Zinc galvanizing is a poor choice for butane or cannabis essential oil service, but glass and 300 series stainless work well, as does polypropylene and PTFE plastics.

Vaccuum purge do not whip. Whipping traps butane.

Cure for a minimum of 10 days.

Could you elaborate?

Pretty much if you don't have a lab set up going. You are not going to make it properly.

My kitchen and patio worked pretty well, before we built a lab.

90% of bho wax out there is not made properly. Might as well be huffing on spray paint.

Hyperbole?

If bho tastes like a vapor toke or popcorn. It was not made properly.

Ice wax is so much better. Cleaner, tastier, more potent, larger return, melts the same.

Look up Matt Rize and My Father methods on here.

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Perhaps the oil you have sampled is less potent, but the oil we make is more potent than trichomes harvested by any method.

As far as return, anytime I've beaten my ice extractions hard and long enough to come close to extracting all the resin that is available, they ended up pretty greeeeeeeeeeeeeen. We only extract around 10% trichomes, before extracting the balance using a solvent

I love FD..

How can one not?...haha

I'm not one of the people that argues or even debate IWE vs BHO.

I truly believe both are fantastic medications when properly made.

With properly made being key..
So many of the BHO haters, (majority I've spoken with) have never sampled a clean properly purged oil.
Yet, they have formed a strong stance against it, without giving it a” fair chance”

Can I just say, I've hit some good bubble that tastes like straight poop because the cuticle of the trichome taste like ass.

I've had BHO taste like ass also.

Just gets me irritated, when certain folks bash a product that they never truly experienced.

To that point, there are a bunch of ways to extract the active ingredients from cannabis. It is the meds, not the process that does the work and the fish trap exists only because of the fish.

If a trap easily catches a perfectly good fish, how much debate is justified over its design?

well exactly how big of a fish you talkin about? and what kind of fish this is also important? we need to know if we are trying to catch catfish, if so we would need a weight to be able to keep the fish trap towards the bottom of the water. but if we are catching stripper or bass, we would need some type of lure on the inside of the trap to help get their attention. back to the size of fish, this also will play a roll in what line weight to connect to this said trap, now we wouldn't want the fish to break the line after all that work..

too far....

Okay... people I know always have just did a run of Vector through a glass tube of grade-A bud no trim just solid nugs of ChemD.... then purge out butane through a vac and heat method and it has came out complete hard shatter and sometimes a little softer then shatter but close to it done with same method but using different equipment (i.e. stove, heating element, and different vacs and chambers). The stripping of waxes and lipids is something neither I or them have done.... We are curious what is the most recommended to use Everclear or 99% ISO Alcohol?? Seems like the step missing to help make it a stable shatter every time... Any input?

1. everclear is better than 99% iso for winterizing (removing waxes and lipids)

2. you dont need the 2nd alcohol process to achieve a shatter. depending on the strain, it could just take more time and or heat. its something that only you can figure out, every persons weed and setup is different.

the last stuff I made.. vacuumed it for 6 hours or so at 95F FYI. its a beautiful caramel taffy like stuff. not sticky, perfectly handle-able, it stretches when you want it to via pulling it slow, but snaps when you want too via pulling or twisting quick. easy to pinch off with your fingernail, not one bit sticky. this is what you want.

not sure about you, but 100% shatter like glass is kind of annoying. very hard to make a proper sized hit, and also shatters into tiny tiny tiny tiny shards that cant be recovered.

winterized oil can be goop, wax, or shatter. same with non winterized oil, it can also be goo, wax, or shatter. just keep playing with that vac chamber!


start with 10g or whatever of oil for a day in chamber... take 5g out... leave that 5g in the chamber for another day.. then take 1 gram out.. leave the remaining 4 grams for ANOTHER day, etc... so when youre done, you got 6 or 7 different piles of oil, each having a different time spent in the chamber.

my current batch was 3 grams... I took 1.5 to work with me, and left 1.5g in the vacuum chamber for a week! then experiment and see which one you like more.


boy, this post sure turned out longer than I had expected...

Twitch. said:

well exactly how big of a fish you talkin about? and what kind of fish this is also important? we need to know if we are trying to catch catfish, if so we would need a weight to be able to keep the fish trap towards the bottom of the water. but if we are catching stripper or bass, we would need some type of lure on the inside of the trap to help get their attention. back to the size of fish, this also will play a roll in what line weight to connect to this said trap, now we wouldn't want the fish to break the line after all that work..

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That is why I added the words, "perfectly good" in front of the word fish."

My question, regardless of how poorly communicated, is if you get the results you require with more than one trap design, why is only one system "right"?