Twisting Leaves!

Hello all, this is my First post. Having some leaf trouble, the top leaves seem to be twisting and drooping, this happened in a 36 hour period. other plants in the room are healthy, just these two.
I am in 5 gallon pots with FoxFarm ocean forest, using the FF base nutrient line and adding Advanced Nutrients voodoo juice, B-52 and big bud. this is the second time this has happened. Is it over fertilizing? Any thoughts?


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Sorry to see this going on with plants well into flowering. Probably over feeding nutrients is the problem. The plants are so badly damaged it you may not be able to keep them alive long enough till they put out a decent yield. Flushing the plant may be the best recourse.

I flushed them yesterday, atleast the leaves on the bottom of the plant are still going strong. It is strange to me that only two have had this symptom and the rest (all critical kush) are doing great.

nitroguy89 said:

Hello all, this is my First post. Having some leaf trouble, the top leaves seem to be twisting and drooping, this happened in a 36 hour period. other plants in the room are healthy, just these two.
I am in 5 gallon pots with FoxFarm ocean forest, using the FF base nutrient line and adding Advanced Nutrients voodoo juice, B-52 and big bud. this is the second time this has happened. Is it over fertilizing? Any thoughts?


600 watt hps, plenty of air movement/ ventilation.













hell

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Damn my friend, you burned those to the ground.

What medium are you in?
And you said you were using Fox Farm Bloom nutrients for your bases and also using the AN additives? What ml/gallon bases and what dosage of additives were you running?

When you mixed up this nutrient what ppm or ec was it coming out too when you were feeding?

nitroguy89 said:

I flushed them yesterday, atleast the leaves on the bottom of the plant are still going strong. It is strange to me that only two have had this symptom and the rest (all critical kush) are doing great.

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Thats because nutrient burn usually effects the upper growth where all nutrients are sent during feedings. It will slowly effect the entire plant if you dont stop feeding them immediately!! I dont know if those can even be saved they look pretty burnt up man. Thats not just from one high feeding thats from a few weeks of abuse.

You need to flush that shit out immediately!! What medium are you in again?

ocean forest soil is my grow medum. feeding once per week following manufactures instructions for both fox farm base and AN additives, mixture is around 800 ppm

nitroguy89 said:

ocean forest soil is my grow medum. feeding once per week following manufactures instructions for both fox farm base and AN additives, mixture is around 800 ppm

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How long did you veg in the ocean forest for? Problem is that soil comes super hot out of the bag. If u checked run off with just water it would probably be over 2000 ppm. When you use that medium you dont need any nutrients for 3-4 weeks. All you need is water 6.5-6.8

Than once the nutrients begin to get used up is when you have to start using bottled nutrients or whatever your using to feed with. So I think you basically just overdosed them with too much nutrients and it usually takes a few day to a week before you see the effects which is what you are seeing now.

Have you been feeding at correct ph also? (6.5-6.? 800 ppm should be fine otherwise.

When you transplanted before bloom did you put fresh ocean forest in the containers? Alot of people like to cut that mix with light warrior or promix because its packed with nutrients and this often occurs with people who dont know! Next time you use this base mix only use it for 3-4 weeks of veg and when you repot or transplant do not use the ocean forest! Use something with 0 to little nutrients because thats when you are going to want to switch to bloom and start their liquid ferts like tiger bloom/big bloom etc..

Im assuming this is what happpened?

You nailed it sounds like. I Veg'd for a little over 4 weeks total, around the 3rd week of Vegging I transplant into 5 gallon containers filled with more ocean forest to allow the roots to get a good hold before flower. what medium would you suggest transplanting into ? fox farm has the k9 cube mix, is that any good? or which pro-mix, the bx? and would you use the pro-mix alone or mix with some ocean forest
correct PH

nitroguy89 said:

You nailed it sounds like. I Veg'd for a little over 4 weeks total, around the 3rd week of Vegging I transplant into 5 gallon containers filled with more ocean forest to allow the roots to get a good hold before flower. what medium would you suggest transplanting into ? fox farm has the k9 cube mix, is that any good? or which pro-mix, the bx? and would you use the pro-mix alone or mix with some ocean forest
correct PH

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You can use the FF.....Like Cannabil said - no nutrients for 3 weeks. maybe a bit longer if their Sativa's...

CLASSIC high P, pH out of whack,,,lockouts = high feeding (over feeding)

Doc

nitroguy89 said:

You nailed it sounds like. I Veg'd for a little over 4 weeks total, around the 3rd week of Vegging I transplant into 5 gallon containers filled with more ocean forest to allow the roots to get a good hold before flower. what medium would you suggest transplanting into ? fox farm has the k9 cube mix, is that any good? or which pro-mix, the bx? and would you use the pro-mix alone or mix with some ocean forest
correct PH

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Ok thats what I assumed. Thats the tricky part figuring out when their base mix needs more nutrients. You almost want to wait for them to lighten up (become deficienct) or check runoff ppm periodically with pure water and write it down for reference.

Basically you want to use the FFOF for the first 3-4 of veg and than if you are going to pot up (larger container) if you are going to veg another 2-3 weeks you can continue the FFOF. If you are transplanting and plan on switching to bloom in the next week or so you can cut the FFOF with Light Warrior 50/50 or use any other base mix with little to no nutrients because you wont need all of the nitrogen etc for flowering. You will get this from whatever bloom food your going to use.

Im not gonna say FFOF is bad because its not but many ppl run into this issue because they dont use it correctly. Your best bet *if you are going to transplant and than go into flowering shortly after I would just use the light warrior, or roots organics (my choice) the mix without any added nutrients!! Or using a simple promix bx is good too. You are just going to have to lower and change the ph down to the 6.2-6.3 range since its soilless (but you still have some amount of the main root mass in soil. So i would make sure you continued veg for another 2 weeks in that promix to let roots establish before flipping to flower). I hope this isnt confusing Im trying to explain this the easiest way that I can over the internet.

You basically just dont want to transplant into a hot medium again like FFOF because thats primary purpose is for vegging plants not the flowering phase. Thats why they have the bloom formula which they want you to use soon as their base mix is depleted which is the 3-4 week period on average. If you are going to use FFOF just use it for the 3 weeks after you transplant (another 3 weeks veg or 2 weeks veg and 1 week flowering) before you go adding more nutrients. I would than use plain water and collect some runoff and see how many ppm are left in the medium before you add bloom nutrients this way you can gauge how strong the soil in the containers still is. If its under say 1000 ppm I would start with like 600 ppm bloom nutrients and work your way up maybe 200 ppm per week or so (see how plants respond) than after that (around week 3 flowering) you should be able to start regular feedings of say 1000-1100 ppm I find best using the FF Lineup. All their additives are crazy high in phosphorus and potassium. So just be careful its really easy to overdue those additives and turn perfectly great plants to shit over night. (I personally dont like their nutrients but thats just me!)

Obviously the numbers are dilluted severely once mixed with water but they have 3 products that are all the same thing like 0-50-40, 0-40-32 whatever weird shit it is. Havent used it in years but Im sure it still same recipe using (cha ching, beastie bloom, open sesame) etc... Im not gonna tell you to look into something else if you like their nutrients but they arent that great to be truthful. I would try some good old Botanicare. Since FFOF is mostly organic and so is Botanicare I find it works way better than pounding all those chemical ferts like FF lineup into your plants because they will burn up like crazy just feeding 1 or 2 times. Hope this helps man. Any other question just put em up I help you best I can.

nitroguy89 said:

You nailed it sounds like. I Veg'd for a little over 4 weeks total, around the 3rd week of Vegging I transplant into 5 gallon containers filled with more ocean forest to allow the roots to get a good hold before flower. what medium would you suggest transplanting into ? fox farm has the k9 cube mix, is that any good? or which pro-mix, the bx? and would you use the pro-mix alone or mix with some ocean forest
correct PH

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Sorry im not familiar with the k9 just see whats in the mix. As long as it doesnt come pre charged that should be fine. Obviously dont use straight coco mix or anything like that because that will cause all kinds of issues down the road. Id try just use a simple peat based mix no nutrients added. Maybe something with just castings and myco if anything (Roots Organics is legit). Check something like that out.

This is why alot of people cut the FFOF with promix or light warrior from the start so it still has some nutrients but not all the shit it has in there. This would be a better option. Do a 50/50 of FFOF & LIGHT WARRIOR this way you wont even have to worry about over feeding issues. Since youre cutting the strength in half you can control the medium better and wont burn your girls if you happen to use bottled nutrient to early.

Ive seen FFOF come out bag over 2000 ppm and watch people put their newly rooted cuts into that mix and burn them to the ground in a few days and wonder wtf happened. Those mixes are never the same batch to batch either. Always check ppm runoff write it down and see how much nutrients are coming out each week. This way you can see how much your plants uptaking and whats remaining in the mix. This will give you a better idea of when you will want to start feeding via the bottle nutrients of your choice.

Wow them things look bad sucks your in flower where you can't fix it if they don't start recovering soon I'd pull them and harvest what you can before you lose it all

well one recovered nicely after a good flush, pulled the other one. im going to look into pro mix. thanks for all the help