two seedlings, one ok, other one not

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endlesslyonline

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I planted two seeds, both from the same random bag seeds.

They germinated, planted, sprouted the same time.

One looks like its going good, but the other, is droopy, very droopy. Or on second thought, its not droopy, it just looks weird. Is it genetics? Or is it not a survivor?

I dont think its over watering, because im trying to be very careful with that.

Attached is the pic of one good one, amd a few of the culprit

I know they are stretched. It was suppose to be an outdoor grow, but just as seeds came out, we had a cold front, and some storms, so I had to hurry to get a temp indoor setup and the lights were wrong the forst 2 days20140824_091232.jpg 20140824_091232.jpg 20140824_091204.jpg 20140824_091126.jpg
 
oilmaker68

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You put them out too quick IMO. If you germed them indoor they needed a little bit to toughen up before they braved the elements.
 
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endlesslyonline

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They are not completely outside atm. Tgey are indoors, amd I take them out for sun for about 2 hours a day. But also only morning sun
 
oilmaker68

oilmaker68

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endlesslyonline said:
They are not completely outside atm. Tgey are indoors, amd I take them out for sun for about 2 hours a day. But also only morning sun
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Ok, when you swap from out to in the photons of light are completely different. So I'm sure I read somewhere that it's not good to keep swapping light sources. You do have to harden them off outside at some point so just be aware of that.

I though when I first saw your pics that the droopy one looked like it was struggling to breath but you said you were careful not to over water What medium are they in ?
 
AlecTheGardener

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oilmaker68 said:
Ok, when you swap from out to in the photons of light are completely different. So I'm sure I read somewhere that it's not good to keep swapping light sources.
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No, just no. You need to be sure of information you dispense, hearing something from someone is not a good basis of dispensation.

Also incorrect.

Continue using the free light outside, that seedling will likely be fine.
 
oilmaker68

oilmaker68

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AlecTheGardener said:
No, just no. You need to be sure of information you dispense, hearing something from someone is not a good basis of dispensation.

Also incorrect.

Continue using the free light outside, that seedling will likely be fine.
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So photons from the sun are of the same strength and quality as a cfl/hps/MH/led??? I'm not sure I understand what's incorrect about that. Also it's not incorrect that if you put your plants under the sun they will grow differently to how they grow under an led. So common sense suggests it may not be good to keep swapping sources.

I had a lemon ice plant that was well established and growing nicely under cfls. I put it outside for 10 minutes to clean a spill in the tent and when I went back it had suffered massive light stress and never recovered.

I don't dispense info lightly or without experience of my own. You stick em out under the sun kid.
 

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AlecTheGardener

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If you placed an indoor plant directly under intense midday-afternoon sun, this will turn out poorly. Especially if using a low intensity light source such as CFL, that plant will not have a good time in direct sun.

Hardening is reasonable. Partial shade for a period of a few days to a week outdoors is common practice and is a useful technique. I do this for my outdoor crop yearly, as direct sunlight exposure is often stress and sometimes death to an indoor cannabis plant.

The 'science' behind your idea is what I was objecting to. Hearing something from someone, somewhere is horrible information to dispense. I had an issue with that, nothing more.
 
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Swapping sources is not a problem.

Some greenhouses have supplemental HID/LED lighting.

My neighbor cultivators and myself use outdoor sunlight on fair days as frequently as possible if convenient to us. Free light! The best light! We take advantage of it frequently.

The only dangers lie in intensity. Intensity. Plants grown under indoor conditions need hardening, plants need partial shade.

I have installed a nice 50% shade clothed area near my grill, indoor plants appreciate the help adjusting.
 
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Thanks for all the info guys.

Oh and the medium is a potting soil mix. Over here we dont get the brands that is normally spoken about on the forum. It is quite airy though, water goes through it easily. Ibhave tried mixing it with perlite, but it was to much. The perlite literally lifted up the soil, so much that if I put my finger in there I could feel massive air pockets
 
oilmaker68

oilmaker68

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AlecTheGardener said:
If you placed an indoor plant directly under intense midday-afternoon sun, this will turn out poorly. Especially if using a low intensity light source such as CFL, that plant will bit have a good time in direct sun.

Hardening is reasonable. Partial shade for a period of a few days to a week outdoors is common practice and is a useful technique. I do this for my outdoor crop yearly, as direct sunlight exposure is often stress and sometimes death to an indoor cannabis plant.

The 'science' behind your idea is what I was objecting to. Hearing something from someone, somewhere is horrible information to dispense. I had an issue with that, nothing more.
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I read it on here somewhere and I am trying to find. But fair enough.
 
ImGrowingWeed

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Guys the UV count on sunlight and the humidity drop to outdoors is definitely a reason why the plants die when you move them outside. The photons are different because there is a higher concentration of ULTRAVIOLET radiation in the form of the correctly generated photon of that frequency. The photon concentrations are different...not the photons themselves. The sun is A GIANT GAS FUSION BALL obviously it emits a differently concentrated spectrum of photons than that of any bulb.
 
VX420

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Just FYI.. I always use Flor and Sun until they are ready for HID lighting. I have never had any problems only good results. From seed, they go under the flro lighting, when the sun come up in the afternoon, they go to the window sill, Still inside but different light source. I would think that real sun light is better, then when the sun goes down, back to the Flro lighting till the next day this is part of my 24/24 till I put them in 18/6 veg under HID. They grow fine.. Thi is not the same as hardening a plant to grow it outside, Its just 2 different light sources.
 
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