medicineman
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This pretty much sums them up, John Birch must be rolling in his grave with laughter.
Types of libertarians
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This pretty much sums them up, John Birch must be rolling in his grave with laughter.
Johnnyorganic
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Yeah. Libertarians are out there all right.
Limited Federal government bounded by the Constitution.
What are they thinking?
Especially since the Social Democratic model has worked out so well.
How gratifying it is when Progressives need comic strips (and Comedy Central & SNL) to explain their own opinions to them.
All the while dismissing their opposition (or is it enemies?) as stupid.
Limited Federal government bounded by the Constitution.
What are they thinking?
Especially since the Social Democratic model has worked out so well.
How gratifying it is when Progressives need comic strips (and Comedy Central & SNL) to explain their own opinions to them.
All the while dismissing their opposition (or is it enemies?) as stupid.
medicineman
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LOL, not everyone Johnny, just you, well since you made it personal. Actually I see them as selfish worthless assholes, but who's looking anyway.Yeah. Libertarians are out there all right.
Limited Federal government bounded by the Constitution.
What are they thinking?
Especially since the Social Democratic model has worked out so well.
How gratifying it is when Progressives need comic strips (and Comedy Central & SNL) to explain their own opinions to them.
All the while dismissing their opposition (or is it enemies?) as stupid.
Johnnyorganic
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Exactly at what point did I make it personal, Meddie?
Specific example, please.
It shouldn't be hard. I only made one post prior to this.
Who is stupid?
and you back the use of force to change them? Society does not progress through the use of force and coercion.
I've heard the same things thrown at Repubs which is strange since they donate more to charity than Dems. People are people and should be judged by their actions not on perceived ideology.
Johnnyorganic
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Union goons are the very definition of selfish worthless assholes.
"Fuck the consumer.
Fuck the taxpayer.
As long as I get mine."
"Fuck the consumer.
Fuck the taxpayer.
As long as I get mine."
Johnnyorganic
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Still no retort from the sad Professor?
No proof that I made it personal?
Apparently Meddie merely took it personal.
Santa, please give Meddie a dictionary for Christmas.
No proof that I made it personal?
Apparently Meddie merely took it personal.
Santa, please give Meddie a dictionary for Christmas.
Johnnyorganic
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So....
To the king of the ad hominem attack I say...
that was personal.
To the king of the ad hominem attack I say...
that was personal.
Johnnyorganic
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Not any one in particular.so, johnny, which caricature (or caricatures) of libertarian, as shown above, fits you best?
That cartoon presents stereotypes of what Liberals only assume Libertarians believe.
Furthermore, not one of the types reflected what I wrote in my original post - which represents my viewpoint: A preference for a limited Federal government bounded by the Constitution.
Perhaps you should consult Stephen Colbert for a more clear understanding.
doc111
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One of your own quotes in your sig?????????so, johnny, which caricature (or caricatures) of libertarian, as shown above, fits you best?
Johnnyorganic
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I thought it was strange as well.One of your own quotes in your sig?????????
Sig quotes are generally used to poke fun at something stupid another member posted.
I suppose that since the sig quote is inaccurate and misrepresents what Dr. Paul actually said, it qualifies.
Sort of a self-FAIL!
doc111
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Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I love the politics forum!!!!I thought it was strange as well.
Sig quotes are generally used to poke fun at something stupid another member posted.
I suppose that since the sig quote is inaccurate and misrepresents what Dr. Paul actually said, it qualifies.
Sort of a self-FAIL!
UncleBuck
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i should cry after such a vicious roasting, but....Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I love the politics forum!!!!
fuck it dude. let's go bowling.
UncleBuck
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so perhaps you can answer me this, as most other pseudo libertarians types i speak to have nothing but evasions and rhetoric...Not any one in particular.
That cartoon presents stereotypes of what Liberals only assume Libertarians believe.
Furthermore, not one of the types reflected what I wrote in my original post - which represents my viewpoint: A preference for a limited Federal government bounded by the Constitution.
Perhaps you should consult Stephen Colbert for a more clear understanding.
i assume (could be a bad assumption, but i think i recall you stating your support) that you want the bush tax cuts in there permanently, possibly even expanded.
i also assume (this is full on assumption) that you want to close the deficit as well.
question becomes, what do we cut to close the gap? specific programs. waste fraud and abuse counts as an evasion.
Johnnyorganic
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A good and sincere question.
If the Federal government were trimmed to Constitutional levels, the income tax would be irrelevant, as would the gap.
If I had my druthers we would eliminate it and replace all income-based federal taxes with a consumption tax. Taxing income is counter-intuitive and encourages tax evasion.
People should be encouraged to make as much money as they want without fear of Federal seizure of their earnings.
Ideally a consumption tax would be as invisible as the excise taxes we pay on gasoline and diesel. Though substantial, most consumers don't notice because they are included in the purchase price.
Such a revolutionary tax system would provide plenty of revenue for the government to perform it's legitimate functions.
But alas, I live in the real world. So I know that will never happen.
I do support the tax cuts. Whenever government raises taxes it spends more money - every time. Furthermore any increase in revenues generated by the higher tax rate are dwarfed by the increase in spending. And that is what the end of the Bush era tax cuts are - an increase. As such, raising taxes would ultimately have a detrimental impact on the deficit and/or the National Debt.
Lower taxes ease uncertainty and encourage economic activity and usually, but not always, pay for themselves in the form of increased revenues at the lower rates.
Johnnyorganic
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And to answer part two of your question, there are many things we can do to trim the fat.
Our military commitments overseas are too numerous, and outrageously expensive to boot. I would pull out of Korea and NATO as soon as possible. Them motherfuckers can defend themselves for all I care.
I would eliminate as many foreign military bases as I could get away with.
The Cold War ended twenty years ago and we have our own problems. We should not be borrowing money from countries to turn around and defend them.
If you think that is crazy, just think of the fun I would have with domestic spending. Slash and burn.
Our military commitments overseas are too numerous, and outrageously expensive to boot. I would pull out of Korea and NATO as soon as possible. Them motherfuckers can defend themselves for all I care.
I would eliminate as many foreign military bases as I could get away with.
The Cold War ended twenty years ago and we have our own problems. We should not be borrowing money from countries to turn around and defend them.
If you think that is crazy, just think of the fun I would have with domestic spending. Slash and burn.
UncleBuck
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ahhhhh. your substantive and intelligent responses are like a cool breeze of fresh air on a forum filled with nincompoops.
i realized pretty soon that i asked the wrong question and realized you were for the fair tax. i kicked myself for a second, but went bowling anyway, without remorse for wasting your time. i came back, saw your response, and realized i gave you a chance to make a plug the fair tax, so i felt better. then i got high and ate a sandwich.
anyhoo, so yes, military spending. keep the military close to home. left and right alike seems to be in agreement on this one, as such i submit exhibit A, ron paul and barney frank teaming up on this one. when else would you see two such creatures in the same den?
but domestic spending, yes. i would love to hear your plans for a slash and burn, besides defunding npr, as i know is your most recent rally cry.
btw, i am actually not so opposed to some form of a fair tax. not sure if it would help cut the gap, but to be honest, it seems like our joint idea of trimming the military expanse and reach is just as unrealistic considering the electorate. dreamers we are
i realized pretty soon that i asked the wrong question and realized you were for the fair tax. i kicked myself for a second, but went bowling anyway, without remorse for wasting your time. i came back, saw your response, and realized i gave you a chance to make a plug the fair tax, so i felt better. then i got high and ate a sandwich.
anyhoo, so yes, military spending. keep the military close to home. left and right alike seems to be in agreement on this one, as such i submit exhibit A, ron paul and barney frank teaming up on this one. when else would you see two such creatures in the same den?
but domestic spending, yes. i would love to hear your plans for a slash and burn, besides defunding npr, as i know is your most recent rally cry.
btw, i am actually not so opposed to some form of a fair tax. not sure if it would help cut the gap, but to be honest, it seems like our joint idea of trimming the military expanse and reach is just as unrealistic considering the electorate. dreamers we are
UncleBuck
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and as far as what i would do to cut the gap....
raise the ss age a shitload. it was never meant to take care of people with so many years left. also, raise the cap on earnings from 107k to as high as i fucking could. allow for early entry into ss at a reduced benefit table.
military pullback bla bla bla
other big one is healthcare, not so sure here...insurers will have to eventually make sure 80% of their funds go to actual healthcare thanks to ppaca, but i would love to see administrative costs even lower like other countries. modernizing health records would help, but lots of people have their justified privacy concerns...oh what a pickle. in any case, lower admin costs on healthcare would be my first concern, with forcing them all to be non profit as my far reaching goal.
i would not do a thing to hurt social assistance programs like unemployment insurance as the right wing is currently doing since UI acts as a stimulus far better than tax cuts to millionaires. i would let tax rates for the more wealthy increase to pre-W levels, but not 250...adjust for inflation...make it 500 or a million...but historically, tax rates have been much higher and the republic has prevailed, even boomed. hell, i would enact a billionaire tax rate...not to punish the accomplishment of becoming a billionaire, but to ensure the well being of the society from which billions of dollars were derived, and because most companies that pull in so much dough from us find a way to not pay anything at all.
capital gains tax goes up, payroll tax sharply decreased and dependent upon number of employees.
other social assistance and other programs go untouched....the national parks, planned parenthood, food stamps, animal control...no hurt.
education would be a good investment. perhaps they would be the beneficiaries of the billionaire tax.
raise the ss age a shitload. it was never meant to take care of people with so many years left. also, raise the cap on earnings from 107k to as high as i fucking could. allow for early entry into ss at a reduced benefit table.
military pullback bla bla bla
other big one is healthcare, not so sure here...insurers will have to eventually make sure 80% of their funds go to actual healthcare thanks to ppaca, but i would love to see administrative costs even lower like other countries. modernizing health records would help, but lots of people have their justified privacy concerns...oh what a pickle. in any case, lower admin costs on healthcare would be my first concern, with forcing them all to be non profit as my far reaching goal.
i would not do a thing to hurt social assistance programs like unemployment insurance as the right wing is currently doing since UI acts as a stimulus far better than tax cuts to millionaires. i would let tax rates for the more wealthy increase to pre-W levels, but not 250...adjust for inflation...make it 500 or a million...but historically, tax rates have been much higher and the republic has prevailed, even boomed. hell, i would enact a billionaire tax rate...not to punish the accomplishment of becoming a billionaire, but to ensure the well being of the society from which billions of dollars were derived, and because most companies that pull in so much dough from us find a way to not pay anything at all.
capital gains tax goes up, payroll tax sharply decreased and dependent upon number of employees.
other social assistance and other programs go untouched....the national parks, planned parenthood, food stamps, animal control...no hurt.
education would be a good investment. perhaps they would be the beneficiaries of the billionaire tax.