Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers

jjfoo

Active Member
Seems half of my posts point this out. Why these vendors think K promotes foliage is beyond me. If you reversed the ratio, a 6-1-2, it would be a perfect NPK for foliage production/maintenance.

UB
wow, I'm really naive, I'm slowly getting over it...
 

notoriousb

Well-Known Member
I used the Bio Bizz Bloom fert last round but others who use the their products say the BioHeaven is important to use in conjunction with the BioBloom but after reading about it on their website, I think it's just another hyped up product focused on scamming more $$. what do you guys think--

from their site http://www.biobizz.nl/products.php?nid=187&cat=p

Plant Energy Booster
BioHeaven is a specially formulated Plant Energy booster which contains carefully selected biological stimulants, such as amino-acids. Amino-acids are the basic building blocks for the proteins and enzymes, which are essential to the structure and the metabolism of plants.

As a result, BioHeaven enhances utilization and translocation of nutrients in fertilizer blends & foliars and boosts up the anti-oxidant system of the plant, rids the plant of toxins built up during periods of stress, repairs chlorophyll and restimulates the plant.

The L-amino acids used by BioBizz for BioHeaven are extracted from soybean cake and other organic protein sources via enzymatic hydrolysis and fermentation. This process ensures the amino acids to be extracted in L-form, the only absorbed and used by plants. Besides the L-amino acids, BioHeaven contains natural aged humus, one of the most versatile components in soil environments. This component, in combination with other operative substances in BioHeaven, increases extremely the quantity of minerals in the soil. Normally, the percentage of minerals uptake lies around the 5-10%, the substances within BioHeaven can raise it up to 95%.

These processes stimulated by BioHeaven enhance the availability of nutritionally important trace elements, which are capable of entering plant cells.
- Available in bottles of 250ml, 500ml, 1L, 5L or 10L.



Benefits
  • Highly concentrated.
  • Rapid and complete uptake of the key nutrients.
  • Accelerated chelation of essential macro and micro nutrients.
  • Improves yield and quality of harvest.
  • Improves moisture retention in plants and reduce moisture stress.
  • Stimulates enzymatic systems in plants to increase plant respiration.
  • Provides a valuable source of carbon for soil micro-organisms.
  • Compatible with all fertilizer programs/ brands, both biological biomineral or synthetic.
For every system SOIL, HYDRO and AEROPONICS!

Dose
2 - 5 ml per liter. Start using in the second week of grow. Stop using two weeks before harvest.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I used the Bio Bizz Bloom fert last round but others who use the their products say the BioHeaven is important to use in conjunction with the BioBloom but after reading about it on their website, I think it's just another hyped up product focused on scamming more $$. what do you guys think--

from their site http://www.biobizz.nl/products.php?nid=187&cat=p

Plant Energy Booster
BioHeaven is a specially formulated Plant Energy booster which contains carefully selected biological stimulants, such as amino-acids. Amino-acids are the basic building blocks for the proteins and enzymes, which are essential to the structure and the metabolism of plants.

As a result, BioHeaven enhances utilization and translocation of nutrients in fertilizer blends & foliars and boosts up the anti-oxidant system of the plant, rids the plant of toxins built up during periods of stress, repairs chlorophyll and restimulates the plant.

The L-amino acids used by BioBizz for BioHeaven are extracted from soybean cake and other organic protein sources via enzymatic hydrolysis and fermentation. This process ensures the amino acids to be extracted in L-form, the only absorbed and used by plants. Besides the L-amino acids, BioHeaven contains natural aged humus, one of the most versatile components in soil environments. This component, in combination with other operative substances in BioHeaven, increases extremely the quantity of minerals in the soil. Normally, the percentage of minerals uptake lies around the 5-10%, the substances within BioHeaven can raise it up to 95%.

These processes stimulated by BioHeaven enhance the availability of nutritionally important trace elements, which are capable of entering plant cells.
- Available in bottles of 250ml, 500ml, 1L, 5L or 10L.



Benefits
  • Highly concentrated.
  • Rapid and complete uptake of the key nutrients.
  • Accelerated chelation of essential macro and micro nutrients.
  • Improves yield and quality of harvest.
  • Improves moisture retention in plants and reduce moisture stress.
  • Stimulates enzymatic systems in plants to increase plant respiration.
  • Provides a valuable source of carbon for soil micro-organisms.
  • Compatible with all fertilizer programs/ brands, both biological biomineral or synthetic.
For every system SOIL, HYDRO and AEROPONICS!

Dose
2 - 5 ml per liter. Start using in the second week of grow. Stop using two weeks before harvest.
Yeah, if the sales pitch says it, it must have credibility. My plants can't read. They have never received any cannabis specific foods (and never will) that CLAIM they contain alot of miracle crap like amino acids. They just don't care and grow like wildfire.

go figure.....

What one needs to do is get the company to explain to a panel of horticultural experts what each one of the "benefits" is and means, in the real world of gardening. Their world is of one focus, marketing for profits using whatever means possible to make the sale. (see my sig line)

UB
 

notoriousb

Well-Known Member
Yeah, if the sales pitch says it, it must have credibility. My plants can't read. They have never received any cannabis specific foods (and never will) that CLAIM they contain alot of miracle crap like amino acids. They just don't care and grow like wildfire.

go figure.....

What one needs to do is get the company to explain to a panel of horticultural experts what each one of the "benefits" is and means, in the real world of gardening. Their world is of one focus, marketing for profits using whatever means possible to make the sale. (see my sig line)

UB
kk cool, thanks for checking that out. I can feel my marketing bs meter honing in now allowing me to really sift through all these ridiculously overpriced shit products.

your common sense approach to growing and to these companies that are solely focused on profits is really refreshing.

thanks again for your valued input :leaf: :leaf: :leaf:
 

jjfoo

Active Member
I'm reading a tomato growing article on the Jack's Classic site. They are saying to add epsom salt for mag. Why don't they just add the mag to their nutrients? I have hard water that is about .5 EC, can I assume I don't need epsom salts or can I not assume the .5 EC is cal and mag?
 

jjfoo

Active Member
I can feel my marketing bs meter honing in now allowing me to really sift through all these ridiculously overpriced shit products.

my friend just brought me a bottle of 'finisher', it has a guaranteed analysis of

N .0083%
P2O5 (Phosphate) .011%
K2O (Soluable Potash) .0505%

I'm a bit confused, does this seem really low on everything?
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Low??? It's almost non-existent.

Uncle Ben I put my seeds in water for about 18 hours and then into the potting soil I mixed up. I had watered it a little so it was nice and moist before putting the seed in place and covering it with 1/8 to 1/4" of loose, fluffy mix. I've had them out in the sun and they have gotten rain which has kept the soil wet for two days. Since I can't see the seeds progress and I've always used either the paper towel ditty or soaking them for 24 hours, I'm beginning to get nervous about this. How long before I start seeing some sprouts?
 

DaveCoulier

Well-Known Member
my friend just brought me a bottle of 'finisher', it has a guaranteed analysis of

N .0083%
P2O5 (Phosphate) .011%
K2O (Soluable Potash) .0505%

I'm a bit confused, does this seem really low on everything?
Im sure theres some super duper secret ingredient that doubles your bud size overnight :).

Low??? It's almost non-existent.

Uncle Ben I put my seeds in water for about 18 hours and then into the potting soil I mixed up. I had watered it a little so it was nice and moist before putting the seed in place and covering it with 1/8 to 1/4" of loose, fluffy mix. I've had them out in the sun and they have gotten rain which has kept the soil wet for two days. Since I can't see the seeds progress and I've always used either the paper towel ditty or soaking them for 24 hours, I'm beginning to get nervous about this. How long before I start seeing some sprouts?
I sow my seeds directly in soil, and within 3 days I usually have them popping the surface without doing any pre-germination. Sometimes it'll take up to 5 days though for stubborn seeds. Hopefully that extra rain hasn't caused any problems.
 

jjfoo

Active Member
The EC of the stuff right out of the bottle is around 2.0 and when I mixed at double strength (didn't have a liter jar but used the amount for a liter) it was lower than my tap water, makes me think there is either a super secret, unlisted, super-natural, ingredient or the stuff is mostly water.

I probably mix it with water and dump it in my yard, or just through the whole bottle in the trash...

I'd like to mix up a bottle of just water and put a cool label on it. "Super flush pro formula"
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Thanks Dave!! I figured the soil being wet would be a good thing. It's been nearly nonstop rain the last two days and I figured the sunlight would be a good thing. I guess maybe it was a trade off for the rain.
 

dacotua

Member
UB-
I have posted only 1 stupid question to you in the past and It will never happen again. I am embarrased.
Dyna-Gro foliage-pro 9-3-6 kicks ass! Thank-you for the advice. Everything is green and no more yellow 3 weeks in to flower. I cant wait till my next grow. +rep 2 U. I am fortunate to have read your posts with a clear head. Go 7-(9)-15-(3)-19-(6). DAC
 

Solcyn26

Well-Known Member
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hi uncleben i'll start by saying thanks i have had lil to no intrest in botany until i started reading your posts..ive enrolled in my local master gardeners program and begin next month with classes i cant wait..i have a problem tho i currently veg with floranova 7-4-10 and use floranova bloom 4-8-7 just like every one else who was fooled i had yellowing and droppin leaves in my first go round and have since learned the errors of my ways but im still encountering a bit of an issue..im 4 weeks into flower with my white rhino first two weeks i was given her about 2.5 ml per gallon or about 500 ppm...everything went fine until i started mixing my bloom and veg at about 2.5 ml each per gallon which shot it up to about 1150 ppm..i didnt get any nute burn which i feared because of the high ppms but im getting some yellowing again..im not sure im understanding correctly?

now if i mix the 4-8-7 with the 7-4-10 isnt it in essence the same as if i used 11-12-17 which if im correct is still too low in n for vigorous growth...im sorry im high and probably rambling my question is if u were in my perdicament and only had these nutes available what dosage or ratio of both do u think would support the healthiest growth?

sorry for the long post but im in a bit of a pickle
 
I combine 2 hobbies and use my riverine fishtank (28 degrees C, Ph 6.5 constant) waste water as the base for feeding the plants. I reduce the given dosage of the fert by about 5 - 10% and give them it while the water's still warm. I maintain it improves the flavour and makes my girls absorb the fert better, anyone else do the same?
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Hey Uncle Ben

I posted this in my NooB thread and thought it could be good here as well

I was looking for an example of lollypopping to show a friend and came across this pic while doing a google.

This is not my pic

But it shows a very near perfect garden and is an example of what new growers are here trying to learn

Shows that lights are not being crammed down the plants throat, they are placed properly for solid even coverage

The plants are all healthy, green with leaves relaxed, no stress showing. the buds all developing evenly and the canopy I mean OMG just look at that canopy, it's a growers dream come true!

Anyway I thought I would share it here so more people see it

As I said in my thread this is one of those pics that is worth a 1000 words

Enjoy!
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I'm reading a tomato growing article on the Jack's Classic site. They are saying to add epsom salt for mag. Why don't they just add the mag to their nutrients?
They do, the 10-30-20 has alot.

my friend just brought me a bottle of 'finisher', it has a guaranteed analysis of

N .0083%
P2O5 (Phosphate) .011%
K2O (Soluable Potash) .0505%

I'm a bit confused, does this seem really low on everything?
Looks like a rip to me.

Low??? It's almost non-existent.

Uncle Ben I put my seeds in water for about 18 hours and then into the potting soil I mixed up. I had watered it a little so it was nice and moist before putting the seed in place and covering it with 1/8 to 1/4" of loose, fluffy mix. I've had them out in the sun and they have gotten rain which has kept the soil wet for two days. Since I can't see the seeds progress and I've always used either the paper towel ditty or soaking them for 24 hours, I'm beginning to get nervous about this. How long before I start seeing some sprouts?
Did the seed sink? 1/2" down with firmed soil on top.

Here's my germ archive. It's anal, but drafted to take into consideration about any kind of problem you might come across.

Germinating Cannabis Seeds (for Bio Growers)

Your seedlings will be alot better off if you germinate directly in soil - less handling and mechanical disturbance means less chance of physical damage to the plant's taproot (and roothairs) and less food reserves used to position itself due to the natural hormonal influence called Gravitropism. That translates into less food reserves used and increased seedling vigor, especially in the very early critical stages of seedling development.

This is my foolproof method for Cannabis Seed Germination in soil:

First, if harvesting seeds from my own crosses, I air-dry newly harvested seeds for a couple of weeks, and then store them in the refrigerator with a little rice. Cold-treatment seems to increase viability and germination rates, especially with indica-dom strains. I almost always get a 100% germination rate with quality seedstock.

Soak the seeds in plain water for 12 hours prior to planting to hydrate them, which will speed up germination. In general, good seeds will sink, bad seeds will remain floating (they contain air, not an embryo). I first sterilize seeds in a bleach solution (1 Tbsp. bleach/1 gallon of water) for 1/2 hour to kill any fungus residing on the seedcoat.

Sterilize enough *damp* fine soil with heat to germinate all of your seeds. You can do this by treating the damp soil to temps of (no more than) 200F for 20 mins in a conventional oven, or in a microwave oven on high for 2 minutes, while stirring a couple of times. Your goal is to get and hold the entire soil mix's temperature at 170F to 180F for about 20 minutes which can be monitored with a probe type thermometer. Let the mix cool thoroughly. This will insure that damp-off fungus spores have been killed in the soil mix. Make sure the soil mix is light and humusy (not real coarse). You can add a little sand or vermiculite to aid in drainage and weight.

Buy some white 20oz styrofoam "drinking glasses", commonly called "Styro-Cups", and punch holes in the bottom (and side bottom) for drainage. I use a red-hot ice pick for this. These containers are 6 1/2" tall and will allow ample room for the taproot to grow before cotyledon emergence which will increase your seedling's vigor. The taproot (radicle) is already at least 4" long at the point of emergence - don't restrict it (in order to maximize seedling growth rate). Styro-Cups can be found on the shelf displaying picnic items at your local grocery store.

Fill the pots almost to the top with your soil mix, water well to settle the mix, take a pencil and make a small hole about 1/4" to 1/2" deep, NO deeper, and drop *one* seed in. Cover the seed with *fine* soil, only enough to top up the hole, firm lightly with your finger, and lightly water until water runs freely thru the drain holes. Place in a warm spot around 80F/26C. Do NOT cover the cup with saran wrap or anything else. The seed has been hydrated from the soaking and will germinate soon. This container should not require further watering until the seedling is up and running.

During the first couple of days, mist the top soil surface lightly (if need be), never allowing the top to crust over, but not to the point that the medium stays waterlogged which will invite pythium rot (damp-off). "Less is more" at this point. Do NOT water this pot any more until the seedling is up, and only if it needs it at the point of emergence. Again, no need to cover with plastic wrap as the radicle (taproot) will grow at least 4" before the cotyledons emerge from the soil. IOW, even though you can't see it, the plant's root is seeking and finding moisture at the container's lower soil levels. I cannot emphasize this enough. The seedling will emerge anywhere from 2 to 10 days from the time you sowed it.

That's all to it! With good care, your faves will be ready to transplant within 1 to 2 weeks, and will easily slip out of the "cup" with a solid rootball that will never know it's been disturbed if potted up gently and quickly. Move up to a final pot of 3 to 5 gallons to sex and finish.

An effective transplant solution can be made using (no more than) 1 teaspoon of a 15-30-15 fert and 10 drops of Superthrive per gallon of water. Take note regarding the immediate growth spurt after this transition!

Good luck,
Uncle Ben
UB-
I have posted only 1 stupid question to you in the past and It will never happen again. I am embarrased.
Dyna-Gro foliage-pro 9-3-6 kicks ass! Thank-you for the advice. Everything is green and no more yellow 3 weeks in to flower. I cant wait till my next grow. +rep 2 U. I am fortunate to have read your posts with a clear head. Go 7-(9)-15-(3)-19-(6). DAC
Tell your vendor friends it's N that supports foliage, not K.

...everything went fine until i started mixing my bloom and veg at about 2.5 ml each per gallon which shot it up to about 1150 ppm..i didnt get any nute burn which i feared because of the high ppms but im getting some yellowing again..im not sure im understanding correctly?
Sounds like a deficiency in N. Cmon fellers, getting kinda tired of repeating myself! :D

This is not my pic

But it shows a very near perfect garden and is an example of what new growers are here trying to learn

Shows that lights are not being crammed down the plants throat, they are placed properly for solid even coverage
Yep, great point and one I made in the ditty in many posts going back 10 years. When you read the chest beaters braggadocios about huge amounts of lumens or the hilarious grams/watt chat, you can only laugh. You've seen my plants, they were done with about 35w/s.f. (to use this crude, inaccurate measurement or what the plants are receiving).

Grow hard,
UB
 

Solcyn26

Well-Known Member
u must have misread my question..i know its an N prob..i appreciate ur help tho i think i got it figured out
 
hey ub , thanks for all your info, all over the site , makes for a great read and is very usefull and informative without all the BULLSHIT that the "growing" world seems to be overflowing with.
i normally grow from cutting's and put them straight into 11 litre pots and thats where they stay.
i intend on using 18 litre pots next time round, can you give some advice on whether this is good practice or not, regarding, creating a good, strong root system . . ?
if its NOT good practice, can you recommend a good size pot to start them off in, and what size pot you would use as the final pot?? is it a bigger is better type thing ?? many thanks , tokincarper
 

jjfoo

Active Member
I maintain it improves the flavour and makes my girls absorb the fert better, anyone else do the same?

What do the fish give that you can't get with the right nutes?

do you have any evidence to back your claim?

I actually have fish in my water tank... I feed them a bit everyday. I started with 5 gold fish and an algae eater. these where cheap feeders. 4 died quickly, now I have one left and the algae eater, they are the survivors.

I am interested in learning to care for fish so I can maybe raise them for food. Not goldfish, but something like Talapia.
 

doogleef

Well-Known Member
Sol, don't switch right to the bloom at the start of 12/12. Go with grow food or 50/50 grow/bloom for the first 2-3 weeks then back off the N once the plant stops putting on new foliage. The lack of N in bloom foods is criminal.
 
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