Universe or Multiverse

ginjawarrior

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Goodness gracious. The last sentence of yours: I already proved that to be incorrect with math.

In MY CASE an infinite number of universes is EQUAL to ALL POSSIBILITIES.

If YOU ASSUME that a single universe in a set of infinite universes, is INFINITE IN SIZE, than your example CAN HAPPEN, other wise it is an impossibility as I already mathematically described how a set of finites of the same cannot result in an infinite set with a nonzero probability.

I understand the math and concept is beginning to get complex, but by setting limits such as infinity, we can mathematically suggest something to be probable or impossible

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drunk atm so bear with my errors
i dont think you proof said what you think it did

yes you cannot divide or multiply by infinity

but you can divide fractions forever

so as i asked many times check your math against the question you posed to me

as you never gave the maximum amount of combinations have you?

1/5 red + 1/3 blue + 7/15 yellow = 1 new color
1/2red + 1/4 blue +1/4 yellow = 1 new color
1/3 red + 1/3blue +1/3 yellow = 1 new color

ill even addanother to give a bit more emphasis on size

35777..../99999.... red + 45333..../99999.... blue + 18889..../99999....yellow = one more color

if these combinations do not carry on for ever it should be a simple case for you to tell me the limit




 

ginjawarrior

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I think that denying the possability of an infinite amount of universes is... what's the word i'm looking for, smug?
i dont think either of us is denying the possibility of an infinite amount of universes

fb360 is of the stance that in infinite universes everything imaginable is possible (universes covered in whipped cream**** was where i came in)

my stance is that theres nothing about infinity that forces the condition where everything imaginable is happening in universes somewhere (universes covered with whipped cream are not a necessity)

now my example can include everything the same as fb360s and only leave out the absurd and still be compleatly infinite in extent

fb360s by definition of containing absolutely every imaginable must have universes covered in whipped cream. if that doesnt happen then by default it drops down into the style im suggesting


**** we're talking about real whipped cream here not an analogue of whipped cream
 

ginjawarrior

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It is an endless multiverse because of freewill, and this endless multiverse is the universe
your talking about "many worlds" rather than multiverses even tho "multiverses" is a result of many worlds

i dont personally think the universe works that way one of the reasons is i dont want to be immortal
 

NietzscheKeen

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Just my opinion, I think of the big bang as Cosmic Mitosis. It has many of the same characteristics of this biological process.

I also am a determinist. Free will is possibly explained by deterministic chaos.
 

Zaehet Strife

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Even if everything is predetermined, it sure feels like i have free will as i am able to take responsibility for my actions, so i live my life as if i do have free will, as if i do have the ability to mold my "destiny" into what i choose it to be... rather than it having already been chosen for me.

Truthfully, i don't know if we do or don't have free will... so i'll leave it as undecided.

@Ginja,

Yes, now i see your point. Yet, as improbable as it may seem... who's to say that the laws of a separately created universe might fall into place as to create a universe solely composited of whipped cream? It might take trillions of billions of years to accomplish this. But who are we to say that it certainty cannot happen.

Personally, i doubt that it can and doubt even more that it would... but i think i would be in the wrong if i said that it certainty can't happen because how could i know that?

When we are dealing with concepts that no one can test, observe or measure... i don't think we can rule out any possibility no matter how farfetched and improbable it may seem. You can say the same exact thing about supernatural beliefs... people want to believe in god and spirits and souls, yet if an idea about a concept arises that does not coincide with what their desired beliefs are, they immediately discount it as impossible.

For example, say you believe that god is speaking to you, or that you had this crazy magical enlightening experience... who's to say that there isn't an entity in existence that has the power to deceive you into having this experience merely for that entities own pleasure in confusing the shit out of you?

When you bring this point up, they say; "No way! That just can't be the case! I just know it was god speaking to me!!"

"Oh yeah? Really? Well that's weird because if you believe in supernatural occurrences that cannot be studied, observed or tested, how can you discount any other idea or concept based on the same exact rules and regulations you propose to begin with?!"

^I hope that analogy makes sense.
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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^Makes me think existence = to a dream within a dream and we are part of the ever spontaneous artwork of the ever unknown, where infinity is an idea of the canvas , we participate within the fine pixelations of the everchanging moment.
 

NietzscheKeen

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There is no point discussing free will here. There have been centuries of people smarter than ourselves debating and philosophizing over the subject and there is still debate today. I just believe what I believe because I feel the evidence, at least the evidence I'm aware of, points towards determinism. To each their own. It's an important question for me and my view of the universe and humanity, but it doesn't necessarily affect others around me.
 

Zaehet Strife

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Here's one you should watch Keen;

3min video
[video=youtube;veqkUUOlLLE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veqkUUOlLLE[/video]
 

Nevaeh420

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I havent read the comments yet but heres My comment!

I believe every person is their own universe in their SELF!

If someone lives than they live in their universe, and if they die than their universe dies too!

There is as many universes as there are LIFE!

We live in parallel universes!

Since there is more than one SELF than there is more than one universe, and thusly a multiverse!








But on a grander scale, YES I believe that there are more universes out there.

If God can create one "universe" than why not create more?

Space goes on FOREVER so why would God stop making more LIFE?

If God can make EVERYTHING out of nothing, than why wouldnt He make more?

Just My honest opinion!








https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/600992-i-found-like-dozen-videos.html










~PEACE~
 

fb360

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i dont think you proof said what you think it did

yes you cannot divide or multiply by infinity

but you can divide fractions forever

so as i asked many times check your math against the question you posed to me

as you never gave the maximum amount of combinations have you?

1/5 red + 1/3 blue + 7/15 yellow = 1 new color
1/2red + 1/4 blue +1/4 yellow = 1 new color
1/3 red + 1/3blue +1/3 yellow = 1 new color

ill even addanother to give a bit more emphasis on size

35777..../99999.... red + 45333..../99999.... blue + 18889..../99999....yellow = one more color

if these combinations do not carry on for ever it should be a simple case for you to tell me the limit




You CAN if you are DOING SO A FINITE NUMBER OF TIMES.

As soon as you say anything {(x < 1) ^ infinity}, you get 0 as the answer.

It's basic calculus using limits... Which is what I've said all along.



In your example, the set size you gave {1,3,5,7,9,11......1111111111111111111111111} is infinite, allowing for a set which doesn't need to be complete, BECAUSE IT CANT due to the set being infinite.

If you take any set size that is FINITE {a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i...z} and replicate it an INFINITE amount of times, the result is EVERY COMBINATION. Get it? This contradicts what you said, agrees with what I said, and is the reason we are even having this debate

But who are we to say that it certainty cannot happen.

Personally, i doubt that it can and doubt even more that it would... but i think i would be in the wrong if i said that it certainty can't happen because how could i know that?.
This is EXACTLY what I have been saying.
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
^No need to get upset bro. We are talking all hypotheticals here because no one even knows if there are multiple universes, so just as there may be a universe made of whipped cream or an infinite amout of them in a multiverse... there may also be a limit on how many types of universes there are or how many there can be in a multiverse. Just like there is a limit on how many protons a neutrons there are in certain kinds of atoms.

We cannot deny that as a possability aswell.
 

fb360

Active Member
^No need to get upset bro. We are talking all hypotheticals here because no one even knows if there are multiple universes, so just as there may be a universe made of whipped cream or an infinite amout of them in a multiverse... there may also be a limit on how many types of universes there are or how many there can be in a multiverse. Just like there is a limit on how many protons a neutrons there are in certain kinds of atoms.

We cannot deny that as a possability aswell.
The only thing I'm upset about is the literacy level of others in this thread.

I know we are talking hypotheticals... I made the thread as well as said so myself before anyone else did.


Ginja just doesn't understand math and is trying to use math to argue his points
 

NietzscheKeen

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I tend to agree with John Locke or John Mill, whoever said that we don't have to have free will in order to punish people for their actions. I will edit this in a bit and give a more complete answer; I just wanted to put that out there for now.

Edit: We have no free will for at least two reasons. The first reason is causally based and the second is our brain; I'm also a STRONG STRONG believer in biological determinism. I'm also a moral nihilist/emotivist. Harmful behaviour of individuals is much like cancer in many ways. Even though cancer has no consciousness and no motive it is still harmful and needs to be stopped. You can sit around and hope for cancer to go into remission, but the chances are that it will spread (reproduce). It's only for the good of the group that we limit the damage and stop it where it occurs. This makes perfect sense in my head, but I'm not as rhetorically gifted as Zaehet or Heisenberg, so if I have gaps in my explanation please let me know, lol.

"In the mind there is no absolute or free will; but the mind is determined to wish this or that by a cause, which has also been determined by another cause, and this last by another cause, and so on to infinity." B. Spinoza
 

Zaehet Strife

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The only thing I'm upset about is the literacy level of others in this thread.

I know we are talking hypotheticals... I made the thread as well as said so myself before anyone else did.


Ginja just doesn't understand math and is trying to use math to argue his points
Understandable.
 

ginjawarrior

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You CAN if you are DOING SO A FINITE NUMBER OF TIMES.

As soon as you say anything {(x < 1) ^ infinity}, you get 0 as the answer.

It's basic calculus using limits... Which is what I've said all along.



In your example, the set size you gave {1,3,5,7,9,11......1111111111111111111111111} is infinite, allowing for a set which doesn't need to be complete, BECAUSE IT CANT due to the set being infinite.

If you take any set size that is FINITE {a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i...z} and replicate it an INFINITE amount of times, the result is EVERY COMBINATION. Get it? This contradicts what you said, agrees with what I said, and is the reason we are even having this debate


This is EXACTLY what I have been saying.
you can make a inifnite set from a finite set without using every combination

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z

or
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,a,b,b,b,c,c,c,c,d,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,f,f,f,f,f,f,g,g,g,g,g,g,g,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
a,a,a,b,b,b,b,c,c,c,c,d,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,f,f,f,f,f,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you could carry that on without ever having x next to f or t next to a

seems to contradict what your saying

just like the 3 different colors to make one color contradicted what you were saying

when your math comes up with 0 combinations for something that has countably more than zero combinations then your math is faulty

your making it a "finite" set when my original comment was "universes covered with whipped cream" and refers to an infinite set of universes

with an infinite amount of possibilities contained within those universes how are we pooling from a finite set?



lets look at it in a different way if the premise that everything imaginable that can happen is happening in these infinite universes what do we have?

a static state where nothing novel can ever happen as everything that could possibly happen has already happened/ is happening right now/ carry on repeating happening into the future,
its an infinity with nothing but itself being added to itself

if you look at infinity as being an incomplete set then what do you have?

well a non complete set by definition can always have more added to it without eternally repeating itself its a set of realities that can always have novel things added to it forever
an infinity of infinite scope


as this is all hypothetical but there has been no need for your attitude in this

your need to insult people into thinking your right in a subject where its impossible to be right well... it speaks for itself
 

fb360

Active Member
you can make a inifnite set from a finite set without using every combination

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z

or
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
a,a,b,b,b,c,c,c,c,d,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,f,f,f,f,f,f,g,g,g,g,g,g,g,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
a,a,a,b,b,b,b,c,c,c,c,d,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,f,f,f,f,f,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you could carry that on without ever having x next to f or t next to a

seems to contradict what your saying

just like the 3 different colors to make one color contradicted what you were saying

when your math comes up with 0 combinations for something that has countably more than zero combinations then your math is faulty

your making it a "finite" set when my original comment was "universes covered with whipped cream" and refers to an infinite set of universes

with an infinite amount of possibilities contained within those universes how are we pooling from a finite set?



lets look at it in a different way if the premise that everything imaginable that can happen is happening in these infinite universes what do we have?

a static state where nothing novel can ever happen as everything that could possibly happen has already happened/ is happening right now/ carry on repeating happening into the future,
its an infinity with nothing but itself being added to itself

if you look at infinity as being an incomplete set then what do you have?

well a non complete set by definition can always have more added to it without eternally repeating itself its a set of realities that can always have novel things added to it forever
an infinity of infinite scope


as this is all hypothetical but there has been no need for your attitude in this

your need to insult people into thinking your right in a subject where its impossible to be right well... it speaks for itself
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