Updated results of urine fertilizer.

Those who have read my posts know that I grow purely organic. By purely I mean that I use nothing mass produced, and fertilize instead with urine enhanced compost teas. Since I began pissing on my compost pile I have seen a marked improvement in the overall health, growth, size, and performance of both veg crops, and cannabis. The plants I am growing are Carmelicious, an indica/sativa hybrid which seedbank info says grows to 26 inches.



This grow was intended to be concealed by the corn, ( ha ha ha ) and the plants bed is actually about a foot lower than the corn. Here I am in next picture to provide perspective. I am six foot one inch tall.

I am a urine user also.

I would take a pic like yours to prove it but you would see my dick LOL.

I piss in my rainbarrels which I water my lady with and I piss in my compost pile. Peace

Piss rules

Those plants you have that are kicking your corns ass rule.

I must say, only because this is the Organics forum.
Urine may contain carbon, but urea of any kind is not permitted for use in organic agriculture.
Thread: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/342858-urea-certified-usda-organic.html

It might also be worth reminding that too much ammonium nitrogen can cause problems with other nutrients.

Urine is a good source of readily available organic nitrogen, one cup
(bladder full) per gallon. (0.5N-0.003P - 0.003K).

source- http://htgsupply.com/images/articles/HTGSupply-Nutrient-Article-July-2008.pdf

i never did it personally but i know HTG knows what they're talking about

Nullis said:

I must say, only because this is the Organics forum.
Urine may contain carbon, but urea of any kind is not permitted for use in organic agriculture.
Thread: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/342858-urea-certified-usda-organic.html

It might also be worth reminding that too much ammonium nitrogen can cause problems with other nutrients.

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I do know that sewage treatment plant sludge can be certified by USDA as orgainc, so I don't much care what USDA calls organic. Especially when you consider the host of chemicals other than human waste that end up getting flushed or washed down the drain. I have challenged friends to find any indication of poor health on these plants. The only conditions are ones to be expected. The plants bottom most branches are either dying from lack of sun, or like five feet long to reach out from underneath enough to catch the sun. Also, as I certainly didn't expect this kind of results, and soil here is hard clay, I only amended two feet deep. As the plants have matured, they have reached the bottom of the amended soil, and have begun to lift themselves out of the ground. Responding by supporting the main stem, and forming hills to keep roots covered. I have absolute knowledge of the organic materials which make up my compost, I also know that urine has been used by humans for more of our history than not. This has been my first experiment with urine/compost tea, and I'll be sure to keep everyone posted as to development, and reslys.

Denofearth69 said:

I do know that sewage treatment plant sludge can be certified by USDA as orgainc, so I don't much care what USDA calls organic.

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Whoa! Where'd you hear that one from? I gotta call bullshit.
Sewage sledge/night soil is most definitely BANNED for use in "Certified Organic" crop production. The major concerns being heavy metal and prescription drug metabolite accumulation, and diseases of course.
Some people will make the claim that sewage can be "bioremediated"; specially composted and sanitized for use as crop fertilizer. I don't know if this is true and it doesn't matter in this case because it is still not allowed in organic agriculture. In fact, absolutely no feces or 'manure' from any carnivorous animal what-so-ever is allowed. If you can prove otherwise I would sure as hell be interested.

Crop standards
The organic crop production standards say that:

• Land will have no prohibited substances applied to it for at least 3 years before the harvest of an organic crop.
• The use of genetic engineering (included in excluded methods), ionizing radiation and sewage sludge is prohibited.
• Soil fertility and crop nutrients will be managed through tillage and cultivation practices, crop rotations, and cover crops, supplemented with animal and crop waste materials and allowed synthetic materials.
• Preference will be given to the use of organic seeds and other planting stock, but a farmer may use non-organic seeds and planting stock under specified conditions.
• Crop pests, weeds, and diseases will be controlled primarily through management practices including physical, mechanical, and biological controls.
• When these practices are not sufficient, a biological, botanical, or synthetic substance approved for use on the National List may be used.

http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/torg.html

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If a fertilizer is labeled ‘organic,’ will a farmer be able to use it on certified organic land?
Fertilizer labeling is regulated by state laws, most of which define organic in a way that is not compatible with organic standards. Caution is needed in evaluating fertilizer labeled as organic, as it might include prohibited synthetics such as urea or sewage sludge.
http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/organic/complianceguide/faq.htm

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USDA Consumer Brochure: Organic Food Standards and Labels: The Facts
“What is organic food? Organic food is produced by farmers who emphasize the use of renewable resources and the conservation of soil and water to enhance environmental quality for future generations. Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones. Organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides; fertilizers made with synthetic ingredients or sewage sludge; bioengineering; or ionizing radiation. Before a product can be labeled ‘organic,’ a Government-approved certifier inspects the farm where the food is grown to make sure the farmer is following all the rules necessary to meet USDA organic standards. Companies that handle or process organic food before it gets to your local supermarket or restaurant must be certified, too.” Consumer Brochure,USDA National Organic Program,http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/Consumers/brochure.html


http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/ofp/ofp.shtml

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And "people have been doing [such and such] for...[decades]-[centuries]-[millennia]" doesn't usually cut it for me as a good reason to do something, let alone the sole reason. After all, people have been murdering and enslaving each other since the beginning of time.

Also see:
http://www.ewg.org/reports/sludgememo
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/03/backlash-after-san-francisco-labels-sewage-sludge-organic

Nullis said:

Whoa! Where'd you hear that one from? I gotta call bullshit.
Sewage sledge/night soil is most definitely BANNED for use in "Certified Organic" crop production. The major concerns being heavy metal and prescription drug metabolite accumulation, and diseases of course.
Some people will make the claim that sewage can be "bioremediated"; specially composted and sanitized for use as crop fertilizer. I don't know if this is true and it doesn't matter in this case because it is still not allowed in organic agriculture. In fact, absolutely no feces or 'manure' from any carnivorous animal what-so-ever is allowed. If you can prove otherwise I would sure as hell be interested.


And "people have been doing [such and such] for...[decades]-[centuries]-[millennia]" doesn't usually cut it for me as a good reason to do something, let alone the sole reason. After all, people have been murdering and enslaving each other since the beginning of time.

Also see:
http://www.ewg.org/reports/sludgememo
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/03/backlash-after-san-francisco-labels-sewage-sludge-organic

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Sorry man, but there was a huge hulabaloo here because Denver was using sewer sludge and calling it certified organic, and when the smoke cleared it was established that as the sludge had been thoroughly treated and dried prior to application, certification remained.
Yeah, and people have been making love, babies and apple pie basically the same way for centuries too, and I still wouldn't trust a government official to know the difference between apple pie and hair pie.

Are you sure it was actually 'certified' and not just 'labeled' as being organic? There is a huge problem with how individuals and states perceive what "organic" is supposed to mean, no doubt. Fertilizer labeling is regulated by states, not the USDA nor any other part of the federal government.
Remember, you said that sewage sledge could be "Certified Organic" by the USDA and this is certainly not the case. If a state has backwards regulations and allows these kinds of things to be labeled as "organic" fertilizer, that is a different issue but still a very problematic one. If a farmer were to use a fertilizer on his USDA Certified Organic crops that his state merely allowed to be labeled as "organic" or "organic-based", and it was actually something synthetic or derived from sewage, then that farmer would end up losing the USDA certification for at least three years. This isn't just by conception or some abstract possibility, this has happened to certified organic farmers and they've lost the USDA certification as a result. States (government) fucking around like this is a top reason why non-profit organizations like the OMRI are so important and need to exist. It is an independent review board, not for profit nor affiliated with any business, corporations or government agencies.

http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/columns/org_news/jan05/org_fertilizer.shtml

Real organic agriculture is far too misunderstood, almost stigmatized.

I remember a guy on late lamented Overgrow who was obsessed with fertilising his MJ with his own poo.
Nothing wrong with that in principle, of course, in the middle ages when there were no sewers and almost everyone worked on the land, every dwelling would have a dung heap. Human and animal dung would be piled on this, and when it was considered large (or smelly?) enough it was covered and allowed to rot for a year. Then it was dug into the land.

My main reservation about using urine is the high salt content - how toxic might this be to plants? I use dishwasher salt as a very effective weedkiller.

i never saw any evidence of salt probs when i done it, i vegged my first crop on urine as not being able to make a decision on nutes. i have noticed crazy salt build up around bottle tops on my chemical ferts which i no longer use but never with urine i also found the amount it takes to keep plants healthy is crazy a small amount can go a long way and doesn't smell like you might think last time i had 5 blue cheese i vegged til they were 2ft it took 1 month and was the easiest way i found to do it so far they looked super healthy. i currently have a few in a greenhouse planted straight in the ground and through the dry spells i water with urine and they have taken to it better than the bottled nutes i have tried so far biobizz, mg, ionic, canadian, they all did well enough especially the biobizz but i had to poor loads in to the ground and they didn't look as healthy as i liked. then i started using urine again to help with cost and time and the plants exploded i don't attribute this to the urine alone as being outside the environment plays a big part but even the misses could tell the difference and after not wanting me to be pissing in bottles all the time now is convinced that piss is the way to go in veg inside and out.

I'm a proud user of urine and mollasses. I mix my mollasses in a gallon jug then I sprinkle a little pee-pee in there not much at all I just think its funny mostly plus I don't buy nutes of any kind so I try to do what I can for my girl.

As you can see my blueberry x og kush clone is doing great with nothing but piss,molasses, and some tlc. Plus she was topped twice and trimmed many times everytime I giver here a trim she like doubles in size. Anyway I'm pretty sure piss had a good role to play in the growth of this beautiful girl.

If you can't tell size its roughly 3 feet wide 3 1/2 feet tall I can get a size refrence pic if ya want.

i've grown with piss and molsses and it works great. her she is, the first is her at about 8 foot, the second is her after i tied her big ass down she is about 10ft now if i stand her back up, the pics are from about a week and a half ago

Spanishfly said:

I remember a guy on late lamented Overgrow who was obsessed with fertilising his MJ with his own poo.
Nothing wrong with that in principle, of course, in the middle ages when there were no sewers and almost everyone worked on the land, every dwelling would have a dung heap. Human and animal dung would be piled on this, and when it was considered large (or smelly?) enough it was covered and allowed to rot for a year. Then it was dug into the land.

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Some interesting things to consider about the middle ages...for one thing, there were also no pharmaceuticals or synthetic substances whatsoever. Not to mention that people then probably didn't eat nearly as much meat. Their livestock was never treated with antibiotics and growth hormones. They certainly were not eating processed or deep fried foods. Most importantly, they weren't aware of pathogens being the cause of disease; things like salmonella, E. coli, Yersinia, or hepatitis A (to name a few). Very few folks from the middle-ages lived passed the age of 40.
The bubonic plague ravaged entire towns of people during the middle-ages. The plague is caused by the bacterium species Yersinia pestis, so their practices of collecting human and animal feces to feed crops with was likely a contributing factor.

If you're taking synthetics, consuming preservative laden foods/drinks, or eating hormone filled meat - why would i want a product borne from your shit or piss? just sayin.

damn..... cant u ppl jus buy some good organic fert ?