USA goes to WAR with mexico, ........

raverguy said:

Iraq and Afghanistan aren't even over yet...

and we are doing what u just claimed to be "savage".....

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please read that initial post. i think you'll find i was referring to war for the sake of expansion. are we moving our people into the middle east with an eye toward taking up residence? are we planting our flag in iraq and claiming it for our own? are we claiming some ownership to that land? in case you're at a loss, the short answer is no. afghanistan is a war of retribution, plain and simple. no matter what either side may claim, we went there to exact revenge for an attack on our soil and to warn others from making similar feats. though i have never been in favor of the iraq invasion, i can understand how some may have believed it was a necessary step and it has become ever more obvious that it was no attempt to claim the land or its resources as our own.

the comparison of our ventures in the middle east and the invasion we are witnessing from the south lacks any validity. illegal immigrants are coming here to claim this land, its jobs and its resources. this invasion is not one that utilizes weapons, as the invasion that decimated the native americans, but one that employs the equally primitive use of sheer numbers to occupy us and annex portions of this nation and its social resources for the use of mexico's citizens.

.....logic abounds on this thread

Mexican teen killed by U.S. Border Patrol was on 'most wanted' list


EL PASO, Texas — A 15-year-old Mexican boy shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent was among El Paso's most wanted juvenile immigrant smugglers, according to federal arrest records reviewed by The Associated Press.

Babs34 said:

.....logic abounds on this thread

Mexican teen killed by U.S. Border Patrol was on 'most wanted' list


EL PASO, Texas — A 15-year-old Mexican boy shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent was among El Paso's most wanted juvenile immigrant smugglers, according to federal arrest records reviewed by The Associated Press.

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by your logic, i guess we need to use capital punishment without a trial for juvenile immigrant smuggling.

yep, logic abounds here...

UncleBuck said:

by your logic, i guess we need to use capital punishment without a trial for juvenile immigrant smuggling.

yep, logic abounds here...

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Better scenario, and more realistic.....by your insane logic we are to take not only over 30 million plus illegals in and cater to their every need, but we are to sacrifice to utter extremes because YOU can't comprehend how it is and WILL continue to effect us.

Sure......let's just tell ALL third world countries that they are not entitled as well.
See how well that pans over.

undertheice said:

illegal immigrants are coming here to claim this land, its jobs and its resources. this invasion is not one that utilizes weapons, as the invasion that decimated the native americans, but one that employs the equally primitive use of sheer numbers to occupy us and annex portions of this nation and its social resources for the use of mexico's citizens.

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i am in pretty robust agreement with what you argue, sans the 'invasion' talk

invasions generally involve a strategy. i don't think the millions that come here do it as some sort of strategic move, but rather out of necessity. unless of course, having your family at the brink of starvation is part of their grand strategy...

you might also want to check into the definitions of occupy and annex...i don't think mexico will occupy or annex any portion of this country anytime soon.

mass migration? sure.

invasion? quite the stretch, a dishonest way of putting it

Babs34 said:

Better scenario, and more realistic.....by your insane logic we are to take not only over 30 million plus illegals in and cater to their every need, but we are to sacrifice to utter extremes because YOU can't comprehend how it is and WILL continue to effect us.

Sure......let's just tell ALL third world countries that they are not entitled as well.
See how well that pans over.

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30 million plus?

where do you get that number from?

You talk about ME believing everything I read?
HAHAHAHAHA.....as I've said, do your own HW, you're on your own here.
I could do it for you, but you don't have the mental capacity to grasp reality.....so, why bother?

UncleBuck said:

by your logic, i guess we need to use capital punishment without a trial for juvenile immigrant smuggling.

yep, logic abounds here...

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Nope, we need the equal use of lethal force against a criminal engaged in assaulting an officer of the law. Which is exactly what happened here...

I vote for sending UB and fan club to take a trip to the Revillagegedo islands......pack a few million on top of them........no room to even lie down.
Maybe, just "maybe" a little comprehension will kick in.

UncleBuck said:

you might also want to check into the definitions of occupy and annex...i don't think mexico will occupy or annex any portion of this country anytime soon.

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you obviously haven't spent much time in any of the less desirable areas of our border states. there are cities here in southern california that i have watched become mirror images of the poverty and degradation so prominent just across the border. do you really think the "reconquista" movement is nothing more than empty rhetoric?

invasion? quite the stretch, a dishonest way of putting it

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what would you call the massive illegal migration of millions across a national border? the dishonesty here is the denial that there is a problem with the millions of american citizens that could be gainfully employed and at least started on the path to self-sufficiency, if only those millions of non-skilled and semi-skilled positions weren't occupied by trespassers from the south. instead, our own poor are relegated to the perpetual underclass and supported by our overbearing welfare state.

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you obviously haven't spent much time in any of the less desirable areas of our border states. there are cities here in southern california that i have watched become mirror images of the poverty and degradation so prominent just across the border. do you really think the "reconquista" movement is nothing more than empty rhetoric?

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ummm, worked as a small engine mechanic in nogales for a summer.

even more time in the havasu/vegas area doing odd construction jobs.

family in sunland park, nm (don't worry, they are white) which is basically mexico.

anything else you want to assume about someone you have never met?

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what would you call the massive illegal migration of millions across a national border? the dishonesty here is the denial that there is a problem with the millions of american citizens that could be gainfully employed and at least started on the path to self-sufficiency, if only those millions of non-skilled and semi-skilled positions weren't occupied by trespassers from the south. instead, our own poor are relegated to the perpetual underclass and supported by our overbearing welfare state.

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hey, over here. i am that underclass of which you speak. i have competed (and still do occasionally) for jobs with illegals. if you can't cut it over an illegal, you deserve to be out of work, suckling off the teet. they don't take our jobs, we let them.

Babs34 said:

You talk about ME believing everything I read?
HAHAHAHAHA.....as I've said, do your own HW, you're on your own here.
I could do it for you, but you don't have the mental capacity to grasp reality.....so, why bother?

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so are you saying you have no way to cite or back up your bogus assertion of 30 million illegals? that does not surprise me.

since you get to make up facts, i will make up my own facts as well.

FACT: illegal immigrants have stomachs which serve as incubators for extra terrestrial fetuses.

NLXSK1 said:

Nope, we need the equal use of lethal force against a criminal engaged in assaulting an officer of the law. Which is exactly what happened here...

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this probably belongs in the 'Justified?' thread, so we don't jack fdd's thread. i will be happy to carry this on over there

UncleBuck said:

so are you saying you have no way to cite or back up your bogus assertion of 30 million illegals? that does not surprise me.

since you get to make up facts, i will make up my own facts as well.

FACT: illegal immigrants have stomachs which serve as incubators for extra terrestrial fetuses.

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I see that while I have been sleeping, UB has been "really" schooling us all.
I was lost, but now am found.
When the government announced years ago that figure as having been 12 million, you thought what UB?.....that it had DECREASED since then?
Do you suppose they have since opted to join the census as well?
And let's see, with all of these "sanctuary" cities, do you suppose it feasible that they are just NOT being counted?
For those non-sanctuary cities who impose a slap on the wrist and throw them back into our society, do you take into account how many continue their course of bringing the REST of their family and friends in?

UB, you be lost, confused and notoriously dull.
I could cite from numerous sources (government included)...but you have shown us all that statistics mean zilch to you....not to mention the suffering of the American native.

UncleBuck said:

this probably belongs in the 'Justified?' thread, so we don't jack fdd's thread. i will be happy to carry this on over there

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Question: How do you have so much time to be posting and fighting for this cause? I was sure you said you were busy competing with them for work.

UncleBuck said:

if you can't cut it over an illegal, you deserve to be out of work, suckling off the teat.

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so those who fail in our society should be doomed to a life of slavery to the state? your attitude smacks of the same elitism that leads others here to claim that higher education is the ultimate answer to all of our unemployment woes, that all citizens must be of a certain intellectual caliber to be worthy of their citizenship and that those who fail are destined to be treated as wards of the state. the simple fact you seem to have missed is that failure is as much a part of this life as is success and that self-determination demands we be allowed those failures. not everyone has the capacity to succeed on every level or on their first try, but it is the obligation of a society that they be allowed to continue their struggle for self-reliance. importing foreign labor at reduced rates undercuts that second, third or fourth chance that some may need to find the success they must strive to attain. branding them as perpetual failures and handing their chance for a useful life to strangers merely increases our pool of the destitute and encourages the unrest that naturally comes with the frustration of a life not fully utilized.

they don't take our jobs, we let them.

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of course we allow it. no one can forcibly take a job. it is the greed of employers for more business and a higher profit that allows a foreign work force to invade the marketplace, but that doesn't mean there is no guilt attached to the workers. the greed of our society's failures for the "something for nothing" that is promised by the welfare state shares equal blame for this problem, but neither does that exculpate these invaders from the repudiation of tradition and national sovereignty that is the basis of their crime. greed is as natural as any other emotion and taking advantage of that greed does not negate the responsibility for their actions any more than stealing from a trusting loved one negates the severity of that crime.

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so those who fail in our society should be doomed to a life of slavery to the state? your attitude smacks of the same elitism that leads others here to claim that higher education is the ultimate answer to all of our unemployment woes, that all citizens must be of a certain intellectual caliber to be worthy of their citizenship and that those who fail are destined to be treated as wards of the state. the simple fact you seem to have missed is that failure is as much a part of this life as is success and that self-determination demands we be allowed those failures. not everyone has the capacity to succeed on every level or on their first try, but it is the obligation of a society that they be allowed to continue their struggle for self-reliance. importing foreign labor at reduced rates undercuts that second, third or fourth chance that some may need to find the success they must strive to attain. branding them as perpetual failures and handing their chance for a useful life to strangers merely increases our pool of the destitute and encourages the unrest that naturally comes with the frustration of a life not fully utilized.

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Are you aware of what the education system is like in Mexico? Uncle buck is right. If you cant beat an illegal for a job, you need to change your field of work or you need to learn how to work for less. Its a part of life. Just because you live here dosent entitle you to a job. If someone can do that job better than you for cheaper, then your SOL. Thats the way the united states works..

Thats the way people like you have made it work.

No one in this country should have to compete with a illegal immigrant that does not belong here in the first place.

Because all the fat companies want to get fatter for their upper management that does fucking nothing really.