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Michigan man

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It was posted public. I don’t post much public but when I do..... well you see :shock:

@Michigan man
Taken to 9 weeks 12/12. You’re in for a hell of a treat.
Page 359 of this thread, little report on the tranquil
Wow nice guys I just wanna say I appreciate all you guys on here very informative and look out for the little guys like me keep it up I’ll b sure to show ya time to time how they r doing have a merry Christmas everyone
 

bostonbob

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A Useful update, um, well we had some high winds here recently. A maple tree took out my veg building, I lost a BUNCH of cherished cuts. If any of you were interested in any Black Jack crosses, Chem 91 SKVA crosses, ya may want to grab em now. There was much more lost, but i'm hoping that folks I shared with will lend a hand by returning cuts that I sent them.
Sorry to hear, that stinks ..
 

Growitpondifarm

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DocofRock

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Good genes, good prices, good guy.

win!:bigjoint:
Will be using Root Excelurator for the first time, expecting bigger yields.
IME, Roots Excelurator is great, especially in coco coir. I got huge white ropey roots with R.E., and faster/more vigorous growth in the first 2-3 weeks of life. That said, I haven’t been using it in my living soil grows.

Here’s some day 24 from 12/12 shots of the girls.
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Wish I had done a tad bit better training, but I think the results will be nice nonetheless.
 

DocofRock

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Just curious. I’m still quite a new grower, so I just wanted to ask you all a question. For my grows in the past, I’ve used (probably half-assed) a trellis net and also just topped once or twice. For my next grow, I really want to be more efficient and create a flat, even canopy to get more efficiency and yield in my grows.

I’ve read about many different training techniques, including mainlining/manifolding, LST, topping, supercropping, etc. I am still honestly a little bit intimidated by the concept of mainlining.

At this point, I’ve become pretty comfortable with managing my environment and growing healthy plants. I feel confident in my ability to grow good bud and keep my plants healthy and happy through the grow. What I’m still experimenting with and trying to learn are some better canopy management techniques. I’m comfortable with topping, defoliating, etc., but I REALLY want to put some effort into maximizing my space and training for a nice, even canopy.

I wanted to ask the experienced growers here: what do you think is the best/simplest technique for maintaining a flat, optimally trained canopy? Admittedly, I’ve been a little bit lazy this grow (my wife is the one who really wanted to do it this time, and I kinda just went along with it for a month or two until I really got back into growing). Now, I’ve got five beautiful and healthy plants, but their training and canopy management is not to my liking.

In your experience, what is the best, simplest way to optimize your space indoors. I’m looking for specifics really, as I understand the concept of topping etc. I really would love to have a table-top, even canopy next grow. If anyone is willing to provide specifics for their most optimal training techniques, I’d really love to learn some more. Always room to improve, and I’m definitely still a novice here.

Cheers
 

Rivendell

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If you have the space to veg out a plant to fill a screen and then flip to flower at the right time, scrog works wonders. If you are dealing with a number of plants that are of varying type and or age in one flowering area I find LST to be the easier option as you can adjust each plant individually.
 

Coalcat

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If you have the space to veg out a plant to fill a screen and then flip to flower at the right time, scrog works wonders. If you are dealing with a number of plants that are of varying type and or age in one flowering area I find LST to be the easier option as you can adjust each plant individually.
I agree....but feel free to experiment. Some plants like to be high stress trained and respond well. Some do best with no training at all. But it’s super hard to screw up a plant royally with scrog.
 

DocofRock

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If you have the space to veg out a plant to fill a screen and then flip to flower at the right time, scrog works wonders. If you are dealing with a number of plants that are of varying type and or age in one flowering area I find LST to be the easier option as you can adjust each plant individually.
I find myself often torn on whether to grow fewer plants in my same space. The only thing is, I hate putting all my eggs in one basket. Plus, I love having a variety of strains.

I think this grow has been different for me due to the genetics of the strains (longer finishers, sativa leaning) as well as the fact that I spent half as much time in Veg as last grow. I think the stretch really caught me off guard this time, as last time I had both a net and very mature plants prior to flip. With indica-dominant plants, the stretch was no sweat. This time it’s just shocked me how much they stretched.

I think I may venture back to a trellis next grow, and this time actually doing a proper SCROG.
 

DocofRock

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I agree....but feel free to experiment. Some plants like to be high stress trained and respond well. Some do best with no training at all. But it’s super hard to screw up a plant royally with scrog.
Yeah - even though I truly didn’t scrog properly last grow, the net still helped me to train the plant and space out the colas. You can actually see in my tent right now (I grow from seed): Cheese in the front left grew VERY branchy with a ton of bud sites after just one topping, whereas Peyote WiFi in the top left grew like 6-8 colas but due to my lack of effort (not tying down/LST), they are all sticking straight up right next to one another. I wish cloning/keeping mothers was practical for me. So much unpredictability in growing from seed every time.

Training aside, I just HAD to share this pic of Useful’s Chocolate Diesel at day 24 from 12/12. I think this is the most BEAUTIFUL plant I’ve seen. It has been extremely healthy and happy from day 1. Speaking of cloning.... I would LOVE to have a clone of this beauty. Amazing, Useful. This is what great genetics looks like! I’ve never grown something with a more gorgeous, vibrant color before.

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P.S. That’s not PM on those leaves! Some of the dust from my latest top dress (BAS Craft Blend) spilled on them ;)
 
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hellmutt bones

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Just curious. I’m still quite a new grower, so I just wanted to ask you all a question. For my grows in the past, I’ve used (probably half-assed) a trellis net and also just topped once or twice. For my next grow, I really want to be more efficient and create a flat, even canopy to get more efficiency and yield in my grows.

I’ve read about many different training techniques, including mainlining/manifolding, LST, topping, supercropping, etc. I am still honestly a little bit intimidated by the concept of mainlining.

At this point, I’ve become pretty comfortable with managing my environment and growing healthy plants. I feel confident in my ability to grow good bud and keep my plants healthy and happy through the grow. What I’m still experimenting with and trying to learn are some better canopy management techniques. I’m comfortable with topping, defoliating, etc., but I REALLY want to put some effort into maximizing my space and training for a nice, even canopy.

I wanted to ask the experienced growers here: what do you think is the best/simplest technique for maintaining a flat, optimally trained canopy? Admittedly, I’ve been a little bit lazy this grow (my wife is the one who really wanted to do it this time, and I kinda just went along with it for a month or two until I really got back into growing). Now, I’ve got five beautiful and healthy plants, but their training and canopy management is not to my liking.

In your experience, what is the best, simplest way to optimize your space indoors. I’m looking for specifics really, as I understand the concept of topping etc. I really would love to have a table-top, even canopy next grow. If anyone is willing to provide specifics for their most optimal training techniques, I’d really love to learn some more. Always room to improve, and I’m definitely still a novice here.

Cheers
Scrog is the best option. Just need to take the longer veg times into consideration.
 

Couch_Lock

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I agree w/ Rivendell in that adjust to each individual plant,if growing multiple strains. I top twice in veg, all get LST here, some get fimmed, ........defoliate once usually a few weeks before the flip to 12/12. I may veg longer then a few others, 6 to 8 week veg.
 
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