Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated

ActionianJacksonian said:

" we found no significant difference by vaccination status (unvaccinated, vaccinated or boosted) in the time from a first positive test until PCR testing or viral cultures from nasal specimens became negative"


What part about this triggers your censorship bone? Shouldn't it lend credence to the fact that when the government told you that you may go visit in hospitals if your vaxxed because you posed no danger to the most vulnerable that they were lying to you?

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Your title of this thread states:
Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated
then you post:

" we found no significant difference by vaccination status (unvaccinated, vaccinated or boosted) in the time from a first positive test until PCR testing or viral cultures from nasal specimens became negative"

You keep moving the goal post every time you are proven wrong. You have NO CREDIBILITY!

PJ Diaz said:

But at the same time, is that really the answer, to have a privatized incarceration state? We need to attack the core issues, which frankly start with eliminating desperation and healing mental illness. The dependence on drugs has really destroyed our health and humanity. It's sadly quite obvious that our government doesn't care about our health, or they would have sent out vitamin supplements instead of fucking covid tests.

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It's almost as if the problems are created for the sole purpose of printing currency to solve them. The pattern is obvious. Then both sides can get bogged down in the details but they all unify mostly to move forward.

Phytoplankton said:

Your title of this thread states:
Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated
then you post:

" we found no significant difference by vaccination status (unvaccinated, vaccinated or boosted) in the time from a first positive test until PCR testing or viral cultures from nasal specimens became negative"

You keep moving the goal post every time you are proven wrong. You have NO CREDIBILITY!

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I posted it originally remember? Then you "debunked" it by re-posting an opinion.

I'm not saying that the opinion is flawed either. Cultures. I would agree are the right way to test for transmission. But the premise was on positive pcr test to negative culture, and that was no "significant" difference but there was a difference that leaned toward unvaxxed. And pcr test is what we have been using the whole time to tell us if we are contagious right?

It's not wrong to say 50.001% is more than 49.999%.

It's all in the link in the OP, right?
Chill dude, it's just a discussion. I'm free to change my personal opinion as data flows pretty sure, so are you. Invariably we all will the more we know on any topic.

But there's this pattern here of hecklers veto and a few that seem to be hell bent on Reeeeeeee! so loud and just outright calling for censorship of a peer reviewed study from NEJM?

Does that make any sense to you?

It's not like it's 2 years old. I didn't move a goal post dude. At best the opinion you posted says vaxxed and unvaxxed transmit about the same, maybe slightly leaning more toward unvaxxed transmission when doing only cultures. Which is a counter balance to my opinion using the same data. And makes perfect sense to my unprofessional self.

What's wrong with balance?

Isn't the elephant in the room the fact that vaxxed are spreading covid when we were told over and over that they could not and that this was a pandemic of the unvaxxed? That unvaxxed were literally killing people and killing themselves and thus their personal choice should be removed?

How did they know that when we now know this? If they didn't know then where did the authority come from?

Notice how the narrative is still that of scolding the unvaxxed anyway with no ammo left other than they will die more of their personal choice we mostly all agree should exist now?

I look forward hearing your thoughts on this but not so much the emotions.

ActionianJacksonian said:

I posted it originally remember? Then you "debunked" it by re-posting an opinion.

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It's not an opinion (unlike Kheriaty's tweet), it's from the actual authors of the study, not the tweet by Aaron Kheriaty (who is a Psychiatrist, not an immunologist). He took the info out of context to fit his narrative (sound familiar?)

Phytoplankton said:

It's not an opinion (unlike Kheriaty's tweet), it's from the actual authors of the study, not the tweet by Aaron Kheriaty (who is a Psychiatrist, not an immunologist). He took the info out of context to fit his narrative (sound familiar?)

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The actual study where no significant difference between groups in the proportion with a positive viral culture were found at 10 days per your Reuters article?

ActionianJacksonian said:

" we found no significant difference by vaccination status (unvaccinated, vaccinated or boosted) in the time from a first positive test until PCR testing or viral cultures from nasal specimens became negative"

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ActionianJacksonian said:

What part about this triggers your censorship bone?

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The fact that hate mongering propagandists are pushing this dangerous anti-science death cult trolling and it is impacting vulnerable people and confusing them to reality.

And triggering the craziest of them into causing damage to others because they have been radicalized and being isolated into shitty information bubbles that stupid threads like this just add to.

ActionianJacksonian said:

Shouldn't it lend credence to the fact that when the government told you that you may go visit in hospitals if your vaxxed because you posed no danger to the most vulnerable that they were lying to you?

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Based on information from who? You just saying it doesn't make it reality also.

ActionianJacksonian said:

The actual study where no significant difference between groups in the proportion with a positive viral culture were found at 10 days per your Reuters article?

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So you are playing the hyper specific troll that you can pretend your bullshit thread is not a lie when you get called out on it?

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The fact that hate mongering propagandists are pushing this dangerous anti-science death cult trolling and it is impacting vulnerable people and confusing them to reality.

And triggering the craziest of them into causing damage to others because they have been radicalized and being isolated into shitty information bubbles that stupid threads like this just add to.

Based on information from who? You just saying it doesn't make it reality also.

So you are playing the hyper specific troll that you can pretend is not lying and think your bullshit thread is not a lie when you get called out on it?

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Let's see. If you're taller than me, but not significantly taller; you're still taller right?

Oh right that's Russian Propaganda.

were getting close to the whole rules breaking
thanks

ActionianJacksonian said:

Let's see. If you're taller than me, but not significantly taller; you're still taller right?

Oh right that's Russian Propaganda.

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Not unless you are being paid in bitcoin or something by the Russians to spread your dangerous lies, not your stupid (and weak) analogy, but the overall death cult troll that this thread is.

sunni said:

were getting close to the whole rules breaking
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(the thread not you)

It's a typical AJ response, if you repeat the lie often enough, the hope is some will start to believe it. When that doesn't work you focus on minutiae, that's superfilous. Just like the proponents of the "stolen election" conspiracy theory.

this one still spewing his bull??

No one ever said that the vaxxed can't spread Covid, that's an absurd statement to make. Anyone who has Covid can spread Covid. When they say it's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", they are simply referring to the fact that the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths occur in the unvaccinated-they are the well of infection stretching this pandemic out. There is even a significant difference between a 1st and 2nd booster shot https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01832-0.

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The fact that hate mongering propagandists are pushing this dangerous anti-science death cult trolling and it is impacting vulnerable people and confusing them to reality.

And triggering the craziest of them into causing damage to others because they have been radicalized and being isolated into shitty information bubbles that stupid threads like this just add to.

Based on information from who? You just saying it doesn't make it reality also.

So you are playing the hyper specific troll that you can pretend your bullshit thread is not a lie when you get called out on it?

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Who is causing more damage to others when there is no significant difference?

ActionianJacksonian said:

Who is causing more damage to others when there is no significant difference?

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The vaccine is extremely safe and very effective. This thread is bullshit death cult spam.

Since the OP of this thread is spreading propaganda, “close to breaking the rules” seems like a gross understatement.

I’d say this entire thread is French kissing breaking the rules.

ActionianJacksonian said:

And pcr test is what we have been using the whole time to tell us if we are contagious right?

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No, wrong again, "The NEJM study authors point out in their report, however, that PCR tests cannot gauge infectiousness, which is the reason they used viral culture to determine whether live, potentially infectious virus was still present."

Rurumo said:

No one ever said that the vaxxed can't spread Covid, that's an absurd statement to make. Anyone who has Covid can spread Covid. When they say it's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", they are simply referring to the fact that the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths occur in the unvaccinated-they are the well of infection stretching this pandemic out. There is even a significant difference between a 1st and 2nd booster shot https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01832-0.

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Walensky literally said that on Rachel Maddow's show.

"A vaccinated person controls the virus better, so the chances of transmitting will be greatly reduced" said Robert Gallo to the AP.

Biden said "How about making sure that you’re vaccinated, so you do not spread the disease to anyone else."

When Biden was pushing jab mandates he famously said
"We're making sure healthcare workers are vaccinated because if you seek care at a healthcare facility, you should have the certainty that the people providing that care are protected from COVID and cannot spread it to you."

It can go on and on if you would like but it's not true that noone said that.

Phytoplankton said:

No, wrong again, "The NEJM study authors point out in their report, however, that PCR tests cannot gauge infectiousness, which is the reason they used viral culture to determine whether live, potentially infectious virus was still present."

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And what were those culture results after 10 days again, let me guess; no significant difference?

Rurumo said:

No one ever said that the vaxxed can't spread Covid, that's an absurd statement to make.

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Biden said it, yep it was an absurd statement he made, in fact he went so far as to say that you wouldn't even get covid:

ActionianJacksonian said:

And what were those culture results after 10 days again, let me guess; no significant difference?

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It's the study you cite as the premise for this thread, don't you know? In any case your premise is BS, those vaccinated against Covid are not contagious longer than those unvaccinated for Covid.