Vaccinations and the Swine Flu

Mindmelted

Well-Known Member
Amazing you say that.

I out work all the young people on my crew on a daily basis and all they wonder is how a out of shape old guy like me does it.
 

budsmoker87

New Member
do you work a physically demanding job? if so, maybe that has helped build your immune system


either way, a flu shot is useless to me...haven't needed one until now, and I still don't see a reason for it
 

budsmoker87

New Member
also, what's your diet like? what's your environment like? what's your stress-level? how many hours of sleep do you average per night?

the body works as a single unit, with everything affecting something else, right?

i just thought your question about "explain why i haven't been sick in 20 years if i've had the flu shot for 20 years" was a little absurd and underminded the complexity of the body and health

but all that matters is that you're healthy, right? ;)
 

poonjoon

Well-Known Member
I have taken the flu shot for over 20 years and NO ill affect.

In fact i have not even gotten a common cold in all those years.

And i have gotten the newer flu shot the last 2 years with the same affect(Fucking Nothing at all)

So all this so called vaccination crap everone pulls is BS.
When I wake up in the morning, I see the sun rise from from the East and as the day goes on I see it move toward the West. At dinner and before I go to sleep, the sun sets in the West.

This must mean the Sun revolves around the Earth. If anyone says anything else it's bullshit. I see the Sun rotate around the Earth with my own eyes.
 

poonjoon

Well-Known Member
Yes i am healthy..

So in the long run none of this other bs means a damn thing...It's just words.
Everything I say is backed by sources in my posts.


I've done the research on both sides. You just label one side complete bullshit and fail to even take a look. It's fine that you believe it's bullshit and will continue living your life taking vaccinations - but don't label it bullshit or act like you KNOW when you don't. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong - but if you haven't taken a look, how can you come to a conclusion? Where's your critical thinking in that?
 

Mindmelted

Well-Known Member
And the government has sources that say MJ is bad and causes all kinds of shit.

Like i said before,Total fucking BS....

Time to go smoke some very bad MJ......
 

poonjoon

Well-Known Member
Why do you bother posting in this thread if you have nothing to contribute whatsoever? <- Serious question.
 

^Psychonaut^

Active Member
Whether or not vaccines are bad for a small percentage and helpful for the majority Vitamin D is potentially a much better alternative, on top of of its potential to prevent a whole host of other serious diseases; just check google news and all the recent coverage.

A friend of mine who suffered pnuemonia, all kind of chest problems including a clouded lung who was taking up to 3 types of antibiotics at any given time I told to start taking 2,000-4,000iu of vit D a day, along with a good probiotic to help counter the effects of the antibiotics, has finally got her health back together. Why doctors do not put people straight on it in a situation like this is a total disgrace, as if anything not pharma/prescription doesnt even cross their mind.

Do your own research.
 

^Psychonaut^

Active Member
http://www.insidebayarea.com/columns/ci_16147481

Barnidge: Don't look now, but you're vitamin D deficient

By Tom Barnidge
Contra Costa Times columnist
Posted: 09/22/2010 05:39:39 PM PDT

PEOPLE PUT off physical exams for the same the reason they postpone servicing their cars. Anytime a doctor examines your undercarriage, there is a chance he will find something wrong.
Maybe he will discover that your heartbeat has a murmur. Or your blood pressure is outside acceptable norms. Perhaps your cholesterol count's too high, your iron count too low or your blood sugar is a concern.
You can imagine my dismay when I recently cleared all the those hurdles only to hear the doctor pronounce: "You are vitamin D deficient."
Nobody told me that would be on the test. Since there were no problems with the rest of the alphabet, I said, it seemed like a minor concern.
"Vitamin D deficiency," he said, "has been linked to diabetes, cancer and tuberculosis."
Oh.
The doctor went on to explain that studies indicate about 65 percent of all Bay Area residents are deficient in vitamin D. Among his patients, the number is closer to 75. That's a lot of people coming up short on their report cards.
The high incidence is partly a product of our geographic location -- northern latitude, short winter days and frequent foggy weather. The sun's ultraviolet rays naturally stimulate the body to produce vitamin D, but those are in short supply when sun is blocked or sits low on the horizon.

Even during the summer, the benefits are diminished if you use sunscreen because it blocks more than 90 percent of UV rays. Of course, if you don't use sunscreen, you might get skin cancer. It's always something.
Many medical experts have expounded on the vitamin D problem recently, notably the Harvard School of Public Health, which posted a lengthy report online earlier this year that begins with this warning: "If you live north of the line connecting San Francisco to Philadelphia, odds are that you don't get enough vitamin D."
If you live on the line, flip a coin. You might get lucky.
The Harvard report cites enough studies to give anyone pause:
Of 50,000 healthy men monitored for 10 years, those with vitamin D deficiency were twice as likely to have heart attacks.
In a 30-year study of more than 10,000 Finnish children, those who received vitamin D supplements during infancy had a nearly 90 percent lower risk of developing Type I diabetes.
A study of 340 Japanese schoolchildren showed those taking daily vitamin D supplements contracted 40 percent few cases of Type A influenza.
Research on 40,000 elderly people, mostly women, found that high intakes of vitamin D reduced hip and non-spine fractures by 20 percent.
Medical researchers link vitamin D deficiency to osteoporosis, rickets, heart disease, cancer, multiple sclerosis, tuberculosis, infectious diseases and asthma. I'm planning to give supplements to my dog to see if they keep away fleas.
The best way to increase your intake, apart from sunshine, is through diet -- dairy products, soy, breakfast cereals and fatty fish such as salmon and tuna -- or with supplements. Dr. Daniel Bikle, professor of medicine at UC San Francisco, writing in "Trends in Endocrinology and Metabolism," says that "2,000 units a day would be adequate for most healthy adults."
Be aware, though, that too much of a good thing is bad. Excessive amounts of vitamin D can be toxic.
It makes you nostalgic for the good old days, when all we had to worry about was secondhand smoke and cancer-causing cyclamates.
 

poonjoon

Well-Known Member
Whether or not vaccines are bad for a small percentage and helpful for the majority Vitamin D is potentially a much better alternative, on top of of its potential to prevent a whole host of other serious diseases; just check google news and all the recent coverage.

A friend of mine who suffered pnuemonia, all kind of chest problems including a clouded lung who was taking up to 3 types of antibiotics at any given time I told to start taking 2,000-4,000iu of vit D a day, along with a good probiotic to help counter the effects of the antibiotics, has finally got her health back together. Why doctors do not put people straight on it in a situation like this is a total disgrace, as if anything not pharma/prescription doesnt even cross their mind.

Do your own research.
Good point. Vitamin D is essential for a healthy life, yet the average person is lacking sufficient vitamin D intake. Sunlight is the best source of vitamin D; vitamin D supplements help but the body cannot absorb it as well.

Doctors can lose their license and be shunned from the medical establishment if they start telling patients about natural remedies. For example, cancer and B17. If a doctor speaks to a patient about vitamin B17 he/she will lose his/her license and even arrested, facing jailtime. It is the establishment that dictates what is "true" and what is "quackery". To be a doctor, there is no doubt that one must be intelligent and hard-working, but when it is all used within a manufactured framework there is not much to say about it. Which is why critical thinking is so important. You should never believe everything you read or hear on a cursory glance. Take the time to look at both sides and see the clash of ideas and information - it is only then you can begin to reason and come to conclusions. One-sided championing does nothing to further the boundaries of your knowledge; it is detrimental to "learning", as learning only comes through conflict.
 

^Psychonaut^

Active Member
Yeah I saw your little bit on Vit D, I think its just important to expand and really point that part out to people.

I think saying a doctor could be arrested for it is getting a bit carried away, my doctor actually made me aware of it years ago (I am in Australia), only over the last 12 months has it sunk in how important it is though. I am also not suggesting that it should be an alternative for proper medical treatment, more that it should just be something doctors should add as an initial treatment in certain situations and of course people in general should be aware how important it is to supplement their diet with it for general health/preventative medicine, especially people who have shorter summers and longer winters. More and more people also are using sun screen and covering up from the sun which makes it even more important to supplement it.

Good point too that it also doesnt absorb that well but it is also fat soluble meaning you should try to take it before a fatty meal, I take 15-20grams of fish oil a day so I throw my Vit D down with that before a meal.

Some recent studies also even suggest that Vit D deficiency is potentially connected to the WHOLE flu season.
 

^Psychonaut^

Active Member
Here we go, there is even a section in Wiki about Vit D and the flu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_and_influenza

Numerous studies link vitamin D and influenza, as well as vitamin D and respiratory infections more generally. This vitamin up-regulates genetic expression of various endogenous antimicrobial peptides (AMP), which exhibit broad-spectrum microbicidal activity against bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Reports discussed below indicate that susceptibility to influenza is reduced with higher levels of sun exposure or vitamin D supplementation. Seasonal variation of vitamin D levels in humans can help explain the seasonality of flu epidemics.

Recently, John Cannell and colleagues have suggested that vitamin D deficiency is a major risk factor for influenza and that vitamin D may be effective in reducing influenza incidence and severity.[1][2] In both publications, the authors concluded that physiological doses of vitamin D (5,000 International Units (IU)/day for adults and 1,000 IU/day for every 25 pounds of body weight in children) might reduce the incidence of influenza, and proposed that pharmacological doses (2,000 IU/kg/day for 3&#8211;4 days) may have a treatment effect in influenza. The authors present epidemiological evidence suggesting that the seasonality of vitamin D deficiency may explain the seasonality of influenza epidemics and that the epidemiology of vitamin D deficiency may help explain the confusing epidemiology of influenza. However, the seasonality of influenza may also be explicable by other factors. For example, it has been shown that low absolute humidity favours the survival of the influenza virus.[3]

A study published in the February 2009 Archives of Internal Medicine involving 1900 adults and children done by the University of Colorado Denver School of Medicine, Massachusetts General Hospital, and Children's Hospital Boston, found that people with the lowest blood vitamin D levels reported having significantly more recent colds or cases of the flu. The risks were even higher for those with chronic respiratory disorders, such as asthma and emphysema. They reported that asthma patients with the lowest vitamin D levels were five times more likely to have had a recent respiratory infection; while among COPD patients, respiratory infections were twice as common among those with vitamin D deficiency. However, the authors stress that the study's results need to be confirmed in clinical trials before vitamin D can be recommended to prevent colds and flu.[4][5]

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study published in the March 2010 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported that children taking 1,200 international units of vitamin D3 supplements daily in winter were 42% less likely to get infected with seasonal flu than those who were given a placebo.[6][7]
 
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