Vape Juice

justugh

justugh

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hello


i been working on this for 3 months now ...........i am going to bounce ideas off u guys to help me finish this so i can market it ..........i have ppl up my ass about making them some ........they had some of that o vape pen from denver (yes i know pg and CO2 oil but the co2 extraction is 1700 for the system)

so far i have tried
PG and BHO mix.......does not mix well
VG and BHO mix ........does mix well but to weak...did not like taste

now i am on VG tintures

i ran a oz of buds tho 4 ozs of VG....(candy mason jar size) ....but it is still weak

i found the RSO (rick simpson oil) how too but i am not able to lay my hands on the pure stuff as i am from USA

question
is ISO worth me trying......i read that it is the next best thing to RSO
 
GrowinDad

GrowinDad

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If you can make ISO, then you can make RSO. All you need is a rice cooker.

RSO is dark. It stays in solution better as well.

PG works better than VG hands down. PEG is supposed to work better than PG. Taste is the issue. I have a test down now on it (using hemp oil, more on that in a sec), and from what I see, it is better but limited.

A guy I know who makes ecig juices worked on it to no avail. he did say that addding a bit of hemp oil to the ISO helped but hurt flavor. He is offering flavor up some PEG for me and let me play around with the magic formula of figuring out the minimal amount of hemp oil and peg necessary to get something to blend with PEG. I just ordered some CBD oil for my wife and may try it instead. But now I have a test down where i mixed normal hemp oil with PEG and PG, results a day in are above. But that is without any hash oil in it. Harvest is next week so I am prepping :-)

Skumfarms experience with a real homogenizer is intriguing, though still separation occurred. Interestingly, a dremmel has as many rpm as a homogenizer, but there is something to the shafts that breaks down the cell structure or whatever and allows the two to bind. Being too cheap to spend $800 on one, I am getting crafty with the dremmel.

Needless to say, there are others working on it. I suspect getting to say 12 months stability in a variety of ambient temps is going to require mass production type equipment or insanely expensive lab equipment.

Still, my straight RSO (i use ethanol, not iso) mixed with PG about 50-50 stays together pretty damn well. No clumping ever and I have one tank withit that sits in my bedroom only for nightime insomnia. It only gets filled once a week and holds. I use 100% ethanol and so I can keep it a little wet and warm when I mix my PG so it is never as thick an oil I am trying to blend in. I don't have to worry about toxins from ISO not being fully purged...

Please share any breakthroughs! But I think your head is bumping against many walls others have.

one thing on the rso vs iso for vape juice. Different highs, that is why I use RSO based at night, Air dried in yhe am, and sometimes a mix. from my experience, the air dried/ISO separates faster in a tank than in storage. I suspect heat causes it for whatever reason. From the first hit you take, you are causing it. RSO does not. my vials of rso e-juice do show a layer at the top but if I shake it up and add to the tank, unlike the iso the heat seems to help vs hurt. The dark color of the Rso helps make it look better as well.

Another personal finding, even when there is clumping, the juice works. What we see visibly, IMHO, is not representative of how the potency is distributed. The stuff that looks like separated PG still works. I have added more PG to a tank, rolled it around, and hit it fine. Maybe it is psychosomatic, but cool to get two tanks for one. Mostly now i have one vial where I dump my leftovers for future reprocessing. And those globs, they look like more volume than they actually are.

Vape on and good luck!
 
justugh

justugh

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GrowinDad said:
If you can make ISO, then you can make RSO. All you need is a rice cooker.

RSO is dark. It stays in solution better as well.

PG works better than VG hands down. PEG is supposed to work better than PG. Taste is the issue. I have a test down now on it (using hemp oil, more on that in a sec), and from what I see, it is better but limited.

A guy I know who makes ecig juices worked on it to no avail. he did say that addding a bit of hemp oil to the ISO helped but hurt flavor. He is offering flavor up some PEG for me and let me play around with the magic formula of figuring out the minimal amount of hemp oil and peg necessary to get something to blend with PEG. I just ordered some CBD oil for my wife and may try it instead. But now I have a test down where i mixed normal hemp oil with PEG and PG, results a day in are above. But that is without any hash oil in it. Harvest is next week so I am prepping :-)

Skumfarms experience with a real homogenizer is intriguing, though still separation occurred. Interestingly, a dremmel has as many rpm as a homogenizer, but there is something to the shafts that breaks down the cell structure or whatever and allows the two to bind. Being too cheap to spend $800 on one, I am getting crafty with the dremmel.

Needless to say, there are others working on it. I suspect getting to say 12 months stability in a variety of ambient temps is going to require mass production type equipment or insanely expensive lab equipment.

Still, my straight RSO (i use ethanol, not iso) mixed with PG about 50-50 stays together pretty damn well. No clumping ever and I have one tank withit that sits in my bedroom only for nightime insomnia. It only gets filled once a week and holds. I use 100% ethanol and so I can keep it a little wet and warm when I mix my PG so it is never as thick an oil I am trying to blend in. I don't have to worry about toxins from ISO not being fully purged...

Please share any breakthroughs! But I think your head is bumping against many walls others have.

one thing on the rso vs iso for vape juice. Different highs, that is why I use RSO based at night, Air dried in yhe am, and sometimes a mix. from my experience, the air dried/ISO separates faster in a tank than in storage. I suspect heat causes it for whatever reason. From the first hit you take, you are causing it. RSO does not. my vials of rso e-juice do show a layer at the top but if I shake it up and add to the tank, unlike the iso the heat seems to help vs hurt. The dark color of the Rso helps make it look better as well.

Another personal finding, even when there is clumping, the juice works. What we see visibly, IMHO, is not representative of how the potency is distributed. The stuff that looks like separated PG still works. I have added more PG to a tank, rolled it around, and hit it fine. Maybe it is psychosomatic, but cool to get two tanks for one. Mostly now i have one vial where I dump my leftovers for future reprocessing. And those globs, they look like more volume than they actually are.

Vape on and good luck!
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hemp seed oil works .....but the guy is right taste like shit (ever smell veggie oil on a hot stove eye now image that in mouth) .........i could not remove the taste or even mask it .........but it accept a large amount of bho

as for ethanol ........how are u getting the 200% that shit cost a arm and leg ........and to make it yourself in a stil is a bitch (one misstep with that and burn ward here u come if u live) i refuse to run mine any higher then 165% just under fuel lvls and even then it is coming from a thumper that is removed from the heat or any source of sparks

thanks for the info on PEG
http://www.amazon.com/Liquidizer-EJmix-50ml/dp/B00HG01FI8
Blend of medical grade PEG400, PEG300, PEG200 and PG
there is a link for a supply reviews look good and they link u to the correct side items for what i am intending to do


so going to try snaps method
going to try the PEG method
going to try PEG method .....mixed with VG tinture 1 oz to 4 oz (one cup) of vg


do u have any advice on tank system or stick to lower intake/submerged atomizers

well i been able to confirm that CO2 extracted oil will blend with PG ...........i have one of each kind they offer well at that store what they offered from denver i am tring to get as good as that or even stronger (make it strongest i can then store like that cut it back when i need to pass it out to ppl that like it at a lower lvl ) ...........from what i understand done right stored like u would can something(heat passed 160 and screw lid on cool down) it can last 12 months no issuse
 
GrowinDad

GrowinDad

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I like the aerotank mini dual coil. but really, works fine a cheapo plastic SMOK tank as well.

100% ethanol is available online from a few sources. ends up expensive but worth it in my opinion to know I am dealing with something safe.

I have seen that mix before, never tried. just ordered some, what the heck.

trust me, avoid VG for now. If anything, master getting something to work and then figure out how much VG can be added...
 
DemonTrich

DemonTrich

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bho and peg 400 will separate after a month of storage.

I found that qwiso oil and peg400 works absolutely perfectly. after 3 months of making a master bottle (75ml), its yet to separate and vapes perfectly.

I made a 3:1 peg400 to oil (qwiso) ratio.
 
justugh

justugh

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GrowinDad said:
I like the aerotank mini dual coil. but really, works fine a cheapo plastic SMOK tank as well.

100% ethanol is available online from a few sources. ends up expensive but worth it in my opinion to know I am dealing with something safe.

I have seen that mix before, never tried. just ordered some, what the heck.

trust me, avoid VG for now. If anything, master getting something to work and then figure out how much VG can be added...
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well i have that 4 oz of VG tinture ............. the stuff is dark as all get out....i broke it down to 14 grams and ran the same VG tho it 2 times
the 24 hours crokpot oven the temp did not get above 167 until i did the final part raised it to 220 for 10 mins and took it off to cool

this is it
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DemonTrich said:
bho and peg 400 will separate after a month of storage.

I found that qwiso oil and peg400 works absolutely perfectly. after 3 months of making a master bottle (75ml), its yet to separate and vapes perfectly.

I made a 3:1 peg400 to oil (qwiso) ratio.
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Qwiso..............do u have a link to where to buy it ...or something that gives me info to understand it better
 
justugh

justugh

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oh let me ask this

the BHO i can run it and get it heat purge it all the way down........but i do not own a vac system to purge it completely


if i take the heat purged stuff .............add in say 5 mls of ISO achl stir it up so it gets liquid...........then i reheat it pass 187 (that is when achl boils off) will that purge the last of the crap out of it ............the iso i would use is the 99.1%


is this something worth doing or should i skip this idea

i hear wax blends better then shatter .......since it has it all purged out
 
Metasynth

Metasynth

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I've heard of PEG400 mixes coming out of suspension as well. I've been wanting to try this stuff called EJMix, it's a blend of PG, PEG400, 300, and 200. Expensive as shit though....Supposedly this shit is the bees knees, but who knows for sure. I'm planning on getting some, I'll report back here with my findings.
 
justugh

justugh

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Metasynth said:
I've heard of PEG400 mixes coming out of suspension as well. I've been wanting to try this stuff called EJMix, it's a blend of PG, PEG400, 300, and 200. Expensive as shit though....Supposedly this shit is the bees knees, but who knows for sure. I'm planning on getting some, I'll report back here with my findings.
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http://www.amazon.com/Liquidizer-EJmix-50ml/dp/B00HG01FI8

mine will be here thursday ............this is my last atempt at this shit
4 oz of good weed has been broken down and tried out on this 1200 that is my limit ...........if ppl want it they can make it themself i enjoy smoking the flowering more then anything else
 
Metasynth

Metasynth

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justugh said:
http://www.amazon.com/Liquidizer-EJmix-50ml/dp/B00HG01FI8

mine will be here thursday ............this is my last atempt at this shit
4 oz of good weed has been broken down and tried out on this 1200 that is my limit ...........if ppl want it they can make it themself i enjoy smoking the flowering more then anything else
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Right on bro! I gotta wait till I get paid to order mine, been setting all my cash aside for a week long vegas vacation...Not Cheap...lol
 
GrowinDad

GrowinDad

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I ordered some of that mix as well.

I have made VG tincture before. Not potent enough for Vape when I did. I ended up using it in some brownies instead.

I don't completely get what you are attempting to do with the ISO. Why bother with the butane at all? If you want to add something in to thin it down, then get some Everclear or 100% ethanol. That way you need not worry about purging every last bit. I am sure there are differences, but I would imagine that any oil/wax/etc would be fairly similar if fully purged in the same manner.

I will not give up! As it stands, I am not wasting anything. My end product just isn't as perfect as I like. And the reality is that I feel safer having syringes full of hash oil or bottles of THC juice sitting around than ball jars full of bud :-)
 
justugh

justugh

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ok unless someone tell me not too i am going to take 2 grams of fresh done BHO and mix it with the 50 mls of ejmix stuff
 
DemonTrich

DemonTrich

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if you were asking me about the iso, the iso was a qwiso concentrate I used as the thc base for my juice. I don't dilute my peg for any reason.

justugh, when taking your juice measurements, weight the bho and the control for the vape juice. don't measure the juice, weigh it. 3:1 is an excellent ratio. ive tried 2:1 and found it a tad too thick for my pen.
 
justugh

justugh

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DemonTrich said:
if you were asking me about the iso, the iso was a qwiso concentrate I used as the thc base for my juice. I don't dilute my peg for any reason.

justugh, when taking your juice measurements, weight the bho and the control for the vape juice. don't measure the juice, weigh it. 3:1 is an excellent ratio. ive tried 2:1 and found it a tad too thick for my pen.
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Metasynth said:
Don't do that. Mix 1 gram with like 2-3 ml and go from there.
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does anyone know what 50 mls weigh

for the 3 to 1 mix ............this is not for me personally this is for ppl that have kids so the amount they need to get a buzz is much smaller then myself so i was going to work it until the lvl 1 hit got me good then cut that stuff with 1/4 VG tinture (3 mls of it fucked me up good )

i have ordered those 15ml bottles and 10 ml sygrines so i can fill the bottle with 10 ml of this bho ejmix stuff leaving 5 mls for other things
 
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