poplars
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ohhhhhh the classic tar is cancer argument.
fuckin jesus I should have you put this on tape so I can use it to put me to sleep at night.
Vaporizing Really That Good?
- Thread starter Canon
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fuckin jesus I should have you put this on tape so I can use it to put me to sleep at night.
colonuggs
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Its not just Tar we are talking about brother
The vaporizer used at a temperature of 185° C. (365° F.) will completely eliminate three measured toxins proven to be associated with combustion of marijuana..BENZENE, a known carcinogen, TOLUENE and NAPHTHALENE. Carbon monoxide and smoke tars are both also qualitatively reduced by vaporizer usage.alls I know Is when I was smokin just weed....I was smokin about 3 grams a day for about 5 yrs or so.... been a daily pot smoker for over 20 yrs vapin for 10
It got to the point when I would take a killer bong hit... it would make me cough up a nice looggy...lung butter that was clearish blackish in color.
Since I stopped smokin and started vapin about 10 yrs ago I havent coughed up any brown lung butter
poplars
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Its not just Tar we are talking about brother
alls I know Is when I was smokin just weed....I was smokin about 3 grams a day for about 5 yrs or so.... been a daily pot smoker for over 20 yrs vapin for 10
It got to the point when I would take a killer bong hit... it would make me cough up a nice looggy...lung butter that was clearish blackish in color.
Since I stopped smokin and started vapin about 10 yrs ago I havent coughed up any brown lung butter
just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean everyone else is going to have the same exact fate as you. many people never quit smoking weed, and continue on to not die of lung cancer, and simply die of normal natural causes. or something entirely other than weed.
there has never been a single case of lung cancer caused by weed alone, or any long term chronic permanent lung conditions. so there really is no point in quoting carcinogens when there are NO cases of smoked weed causing cancer.
and as far as the black lung shit, theres many issues here, you probably haven't been smokin cleanly grown organic weed that was flushed and cured well. and who knows, you probably had bad smokin habits on top of that. but I often say it's likely the quality of the weed and the habits of the smoker at hand here.
but yeah, I do agree, if you have shitty or inorganic weed, you are better off vaping it
arik maso
Active Member
i went through a coughing/hacking bong hitting phase, and i was spitting up that mucous too. then i got my iolite and vaped for 2 months without smoking. my health was better and i stopped coughing and spitting up junk. now i can take smooth bong hits without coughing and use the vape when appropriate.
monkeybones
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it's the bee's knees
mikegibsony
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I absolutely like the V-tower and the V-tower acute as an alternative advantage to the Cher volcano. You are should absolutely try one afore u buy one because some humans don't like the "high". I feel that I save a lot of assemble by application abundance as against to my stemless bong.
albsure
Active Member
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del66666
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and i guess by your standards when there was no proof that tobacco caused cancer tobacco didnt cause cancer.... lol........just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean everyone else is going to have the same exact fate as you. many people never quit smoking weed, and continue on to not die of lung cancer, and simply die of normal natural causes. or something entirely other than weed.
there has never been a single case of lung cancer caused by weed alone, or any long term chronic permanent lung conditions. so there really is no point in quoting carcinogens when there are NO cases of smoked weed causing cancer.
and as far as the black lung shit, theres many issues here, you probably haven't been smokin cleanly grown organic weed that was flushed and cured well. and who knows, you probably had bad smokin habits on top of that. but I often say it's likely the quality of the weed and the habits of the smoker at hand here.
but yeah, I do agree, if you have shitty or inorganic weed, you are better off vaping it
poplars
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no by my standards tobacco and cannabis are two completely different things and comparing their tars directly is ludacris.
The Outdoorsman
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MAN UP AND GET THE VOLCANO!
Built like a truck and you can set it next to your coffee machine it looks so clean.
I got mine for 480$ plus 50$ gift card to the store so 430$ isn't bad considered how long it will last, and its ease of use.
Built like a truck and you can set it next to your coffee machine it looks so clean.
I got mine for 480$ plus 50$ gift card to the store so 430$ isn't bad considered how long it will last, and its ease of use.
arik maso
Active Member
my sister has a volcano and we pack load after load of that shit. it doesn't make you cough like bongs. 430 is a good dealMAN UP AND GET THE VOLCANO!
Built like a truck and you can set it next to your coffee machine it looks so clean.
I got mine for 480$ plus 50$ gift card to the store so 430$ isn't bad considered how long it will last, and its ease of use.
del66666
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oh so are there different types of plant tar?
albsure
Active Member
Some info. to take into consideration:http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280 http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2419713.stm
poplars
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sorry but I cannot take in the usual bullshit propaganda studies that have been bent to make cannabis look just like tobacco.
for all you know they're still getting their test product from the federal facility in mississippi, which is grown with god knows what chemicals, sure as fuck isn't grown organically.
so truly dude, you are too spouting propaganda by spreading such studies. the fact is, we don't really have true studies on organic cannabis that was grown cleanly, thus we cannot trust these 'tests'
now perhaps independant lab studies from people such as steep hill labs, on organic CURED cannabis, could be much more trustworthy.
albsure
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Denial is a terrible thing. You obviously didn't have time to read and carefully consider all of the info. because you posted 4 minutes after I did. Just because tests were done by government agencies and charitable organizations doesn't mean that it is false info. or propaganda. When you smoke burning plant matter you inhale carbon monoxide and tars. That is a fact. If you think inhaling tar and carbon monoxide isn't harming your lungs then you are in denial. Smoking ANYTHING is harmful to your lungs. Again that is a fact. I use edibles because I hate hacking and coughing and yes that is even from smoking organically grown and properly cured mj. Also watching friends smoke and then develop lung problems convinced me to stop smoking.
Look let's make one thing perfectly clear; I love marijuana, I use it on a regular basis and I recommend it to everyone. Smoking it however is harmful. You may hate that fact but it is a fact. If you don't trust any studies done by anyone so far, and there are many more studies showing the same thing as the studies I posted as references, then use your common sense and ask yourself this question: Are the lungs meant to breath smoke? To me they obviously are not because of the reactions from smoking. Violent coughing fits, spitting up mucus and many other respiratory complaints. Look you want to deny facts that stare you in the face then be my guest. Just don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.
Also I'm not going to waste anymore of my time arguing or reading anything written by anyone on this topic because the facts of the matter are so obvious. I know people have built a lifestyle around smoking, they have spent a great deal of money on different types of smoking apparatus and they don't want to give that up but denying the obvious will cause you long term health problems that will dramatically harm the quality of your life.
I know you're probably young and think it's all going to be ok. It's not because you can't fool nature. Your lungs are a product of nature and nature has it's laws that can't be broken. Nature doesn't have a heart, it's doesn't care. If you break it's laws you will suffer. Lungs are not meant to breath smoke; it's a natural fact. If you stay in denial you will find out the hard way how true that is.
So keep your head in the sand and keep on evangelizing that organically grown pot tested at a stoner approved lab is the magic bullet that rids pot of it's harmful aspects when it is smoked. Just be sure to reserve a seat at the respiratory therapy dept. of your local hospital and put a down payment on an oxygen bottle. Happy tokin'---dude.
poplars
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so even though it's widely recognised and well known that organic cannabis alone doesn't cause cancer, you're going to look at 3 studies which are definitely being fueled by mississippi chemical weed which could have ADDED chemicals just like tobacco just to make it appear as if it is fucked up.
you're right, denial is a powerful thing. and it's definitely got a choke hold on you.
you're right, denial is a powerful thing. and it's definitely got a choke hold on you.
poplars
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and on your other points....
humans have been smoking since the stone age... so yes I would be inclined to think to an extent our lungs can handle smoke. method and technique, aswell as product and QUALITY of product, matter greatly.
your subjective experiences with your friends having lung problems mean nothing to me, for all I know they take huge rips while they have a respratory infection (the common cold...) and likely don't always have access to their own home grown organic herb that was cured well. and who knows they may also smoke exclusively with a butane fueled lighter (which likely has benzene in it) and suckin in huge rips of that.
so yeah, I think it is you who is in denial about how bad weed is. you're letting pop culture bullshit and shitty info from friends that likely don't know exactly /how/ that weed was grown.
humans have been smoking since the stone age... so yes I would be inclined to think to an extent our lungs can handle smoke. method and technique, aswell as product and QUALITY of product, matter greatly.
your subjective experiences with your friends having lung problems mean nothing to me, for all I know they take huge rips while they have a respratory infection (the common cold...) and likely don't always have access to their own home grown organic herb that was cured well. and who knows they may also smoke exclusively with a butane fueled lighter (which likely has benzene in it) and suckin in huge rips of that.
so yeah, I think it is you who is in denial about how bad weed is. you're letting pop culture bullshit and shitty info from friends that likely don't know exactly /how/ that weed was grown.
ChronicObsession
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Hey Homie Canon, I have the boom-boom pow about vaporizers vs. smoking. I vape by majority every day 2 times a day for hours on end. only whites and some kush. I start getting high after the first .1 gram load has turned brown and tastes like burnt popcorn, but I like to get higher and higher throughout the day. I am using my own homemade vape that uses hot forced air (420F) all lab glass chamber and it goes straight to my mouth after just 4 inches of glass, no silly chamber stealing my resin
. I get nice vapor laden hits everytime and it does the job. However, everyonce in a while, like maybe 1 time a week, I have been hitting a glass bowl with flame, just one bowl, and then get to vape. The key is... vaporizers release less couch lock effects. I like to feel the bowl sometime, but Vape wins. Think about your lungs, and you will see that smoking every day is not the way to go. Peace from C0Chef de Partie
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******* Do not buy an IOLITE vaporizer - they are cheap, overpriced junk with faulty ignition systems and a customer service department that misleads you, cheats you out of your warranty, and then insults your intelligence by pretending you are the only person who uses their product for anything other than tobacco! Tell everyone you know NOT to by an IOLITE. Thanks for reading.