Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Please keep the questions coming.

Bottles nutrients do not need bubbling. Biovega goes bad quickly and should be fed right after adding to water.
Seaplex is a bottled nute, does not need bubbling. Just mix and feed (fertigate).
Rhizo as well, ready to use.
The bucket with nutes is just for mixing with water, feed all vegan organic nutes right away after mixing. They rot quickly.

-zymes do not get bubbled ever, they are not nutrients or living. "Enzymes are catalysts. Most are proteins." http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/E/Enzymes.html

I have some humboldt honey, but am just testing it. I prefer to use organic molasses, from the bulk section at the market.

Compost teas is just that. Compost + water +sugar (molasses, or humboldt honey). This gets bubbled to dislodge the microbes living on the compost, not to grow them so much. .

Mixing great white/molasses/humic (or myco madness and molasses because myco mad has humic in it):
This is just a theory. I am not sure it does anything beneficial. I add these for about 5 minutes before adding nutes, then water.

oooo. well glad i asked cause i was about to let those zymes sit and aerate for a day or so thanks!!

I dont have a compost pile going soo i guess i can still do water and molasses without the compost haha
and i forgot to mention, the biovega smells so good, just like chocolate!! haha seriously though

You should get your own book out on veganics, i have read 3 books (cervantes,rosenthal,green) twice each,, but i still ask you questions and your still answering em, cant thank you enough appreciate it bro!!

Matt Rize said:

Mayan microzyme from Humboldt Nutes is interesting, a couple species of bacteria that are not normally found in mixed inoculants.

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i have cannzyme, hygrozyme, and great white right now, will the mayan zyme really bring something more to the table?

EDIT: just relaying what my hydro shop says online about mayan zyme: they say to aerate it for a few days???

STEP 1: FERMENTATION
Dilute 2 fluid ounces of Mayan MicroZyme CONCENTRATE per gallon of NON-CHLORINATED water. Add 5 Tablespoons of molasses, sugar or complex carbohydrates to mixture for every 2 ounces of concentrate. Aerate/agitate for 3 to 7 days in a bucket, compost tea brewer, or reservoir. For shorter activation time, maintain water temperature at 80 degrees.

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also i thought water holds more oxygen at lower temps, and 80 degress isnt very low at all, i thought a higher DO meant more life in the water?? also i thought thats a temperature that bad water pathogens start to build up. i remeber having these types of issues in dwc setup a while back.

sharpshoota said:

I dont have a compost pile going soo i guess i can still do water and molasses without the compost haha
and i forgot to mention, the biovega smells so good, just like chocolate!! haha seriously though

You should get your own book out on veganics, i have read 3 books (cervantes,rosenthal,green) twice each,, but i still ask you questions and your still answering em, cant thank you enough appreciate it bro!!

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agreed, biocanna smells sexy. I am working on my book right now. The working title is Advanced Hash Techniques and the Cannassuer Lifestyle, a two parter if you will. A few chapters from it have been pre-published on my blog and elsewhere.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/393435-trichome-matt-rize.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/386957-cbd-truth-told.html
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/378460-soil-less-organics-professor-matt.html
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/378568-citric-acid-cannabis-horticulture-professor.html
Kyle Kushman and my twin sister Ava Rize, who wrote that 420 HT article about veganics, are writing the Indoor Veganics book right now. I have my own section, and am editing the entire thing.

Thank you for the kind words.

Do you foliar feed early on (seedling stage) 4 weeks out? I'm assuming u read the plant and feed it what it needs, but that early on what's usually a good foliar recipe? The bio boost is later on right? Thanks for ur replies.

I foliar spray with cold processed seaweed and kelp. it is 100% organic, and 100% veganic as well (correct me if im wrong matt)
It also helps during transplants, when your plant's roots are stressed, as well as heat stress from lighting, and it is loaded with vitamins, minerals, and growth hormones. it also helps plants absorb nutrients more effectively when applied through soil as well.

there are tons of seaweed products out there, all are great too.
just my .2 cents

Thanks will mist it with thrive alive!

Jharris said:

Do you foliar feed early on (seedling stage) 4 weeks out? I'm assuming u read the plant and feed it what it needs, but that early on what's usually a good foliar recipe? The bio boost is later on right? Thanks for ur replies.

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great advice from sharpshoota. I also foliar with thrive alive, sparingly as it contains Fe. Bioboost is so damn expensive that I only use it for weeks 1 to 4 of flower.

lol... yeah, TexasHydroponics is the shit. their showroom is a Toys R Us!! the actual name of the store is Texas Hydroponics & Organics cuz they're hip to it. Just don't go in there actin foolish; talkin bout this shit; Tom WILL throw your ass outta there. Seen it happen. Yes; it's funny.

sharpshoota said:

I dont have a compost pile going soo i guess i can still do water and molasses without the compost haha

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No the compost is the key element. Thats where the life comes from. You can buy something like alaska forest humus or compost in a bag.

I have always used a silicon supplement in the medium and as a foliar cause it seems to keep the ladies happy and tough. Is this still acceptable or needed with veganics?

summitoker said:

No the compost is the key element. Thats where the life comes from. You can buy something like alaska forest humus or compost in a bag.

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Yeah i wasnt gonna actually do that, the molasses and water are what feed the life. Thanks for posting that tho, buying a compost was completely out of my mind for some reason, heres a good mix i found.

Vermicrop Organics VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment was created for the organic gardener. VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment has a unique blend of earthworm castings, compost, fossilized kelp, humus, rock minerals, and mycorrhizae to provide ample amounts of micro nutrients, trace minerals, and beneficial microbes

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How do i get everything going?, I have never made my own compost tea...

summitoker said:

I have always used a silicon supplement in the medium and as a foliar cause it seems to keep the ladies happy and tough. Is this still acceptable or needed with veganics?

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Tell you what, kushman still uses a silica supplement. I'm not so sure about it.... probably not OMRI.

sharpshoota said:

Yeah i wasnt gonna actually do that, the molasses and water are what feed the life. Thanks for posting that tho, buying a compost was completely out of my mind for some reason, heres a good mix i found.
How do i get everything going?, I have never made my own compost tea...

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Check out this simple step=by=step for compost tea
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/airwaste/wm/recycle/tea/tea1.htm

what about Diatomaceous Earth for silicon?? it is derived from silica rock... and its OMRI certified i believe.

and thanks for the link

hey matt i recently made a batch of super soil and was wondering if you think im missing something
soil;composted forest products,canadian peat moss, composted chicken manure, rice hulls, horticultural sand, perlite, bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings
i added lime, perlite, bone meal,feather meal,alfalfameal,humic and fulvic, epsom salt
ben microbes and 444 micorrhizal blend

sharpshoota said:

what about Diatomaceous Earth for silicon?? it is derived from silica rock... and its OMRI certified i believe.

and thanks for the link

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I'm all about the DE, writing an article about it right now. I like to mix some in, and alsoi use it on top as part of the IPPM (integrated pest/pathogen management). RIZE UP!

klassifyme said:

hey matt i recently made a batch of super soil and was wondering if you think im missing something
soil;composted forest products,canadian peat moss, composted chicken manure, rice hulls, horticultural sand, perlite, bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings
i added lime, perlite, bone meal,feather meal,alfalfameal,humic and fulvic, epsom salt
ben microbes and 444 micorrhizal blend

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Looks great. Only thing I can pickout is the ricehulls possibly rotting and/or sprouting because they were not carbonized (charred).
Is it for indoor? If so, make sure there is enough perlite (or pumice) to balance the heavyier manure.

Hey great post Jay Roller.

I work with Steep Hill Lab here in California. Blackberry Kush was the 10th most frequently tested variety this year. My vegan organic Blackberry Kush was tops for THC. Results are results, everything else is theory.

Then there is JayKush on ICshwag... you know about him? He is killing it with FPE (fermented plant extracts).

We can argue about the purpose of trichomes elsewhere...

Don't get me started on folks selling "clone only" varieties as seeds... you better be using males

POST EDIT: THIS WAS In RESPONSE TO HIS ANTI-VEGANIC POST, WHICH HE VOLUNTARILY REMOVED... probably because I asked if he was breeding with males or herm...

Matt Rize said:

I'm all about the DE, writing an article about it right now. I like to mix some in, and alsoi use it on top as part of the IPPM (integrated pest/pathogen management). RIZE UP!

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you gonna post that article on DE in your blog, im kind of curious to see if it actually provides the same benefits as a silicon supplement