Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Hey durban.... looks like you are fighting some deficiencies there. First guess is nitrogen.

You could always apply a light foliar feeding. Will help get the needed nutrients directly into the plant. Sometimes helps to green them up soon. Are you in 12/12? checking pH?

This guy took the time to scan some decent pages onto a thread. Check it out:
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant-nursery/89016-nutrient-deficiency-toxicity-salt-buildup-hormone.html

good luck

thanks RP, i think im going to do a light flush and foliar feed with general organics bioweed(a seaweed extract). i havnt checked ph of soil only the water i have been using with drop tester measure around 6 ph

RPsmoke420 said:

Hey durban.... looks like you are fighting some deficiencies there. First guess is nitrogen.

You could always apply a light foliar feeding. Will help get the needed nutrients directly into the plant. Sometimes helps to green them up soon. Are you in 12/12? checking pH?

This guy took the time to scan some decent pages onto a thread. Check it out:
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant-nursery/89016-nutrient-deficiency-toxicity-salt-buildup-hormone.html

good luck

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Looks to be deficient in N K and possibly P and Ca (feed me seymour).

how are they looking durban?

hey y'all.....jus wanna jump in this thread and say hello.
vegan is my lifestyle and when i started growing again last yr i decided to work my way to a 100% vegan/organic crop.
i do it for myself but also for xtra cash but i figured if i'm gonna grow, might as well grow something i would smoke.
my personal flavor is sativa - i'm a chill dude as is so anything with more then 30% indica makes me into a couch potato.
been growing super haze since the summer, with the third crop on the way [in fact, jus switched to 12/12 3 days ago] and
i also got some purple kush going right now, just about a month old.

back to veganics... when i started i decided to use General Organics as it seemed like the best option available and so far it's been
pretty good. did a few crops in soil and now i'm doing hempy buckets to see how it comes out. i have jus bout everything in
their line: Grow, CaMg, BioWeed, Root, Bloom,DiamondBlack, and BioBud.
didn't have all their products for the first 2 crops so this is the first using everything.....

Matt, u saying how GO is local and you've in contact with them, jus wondering what's ur opinion about their products and why
uv decided not to use them......thx.

here's a few shots of the haze:

already stated my opinion on GO, but just had to say... damn beez, got yourself a beautiful looking canopy in that first pic.

RPsmoke420 said:

already stated my opinion on GO, but just had to say... damn beez, got yourself a beautiful looking canopy in that first pic.

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isn't that sweet looking?colors were just insane looking!! did the same strain before that crop but used differrent nutes and didn't come out as colorful so i dunno.....is it the organics or what??

i'll check ur take on the GO line RPsmoke, read about half this thread so far....

definitely nice man! Not sure if the organics brought the colors out, that's a trip. Maybe the temps? I don't know man. Looks real nice though.

Basically:

I am using up the last of my GO bottles myself. I gave it a run on my outdoor this season, have some left overs.

Anyway, I always found that I needed to add the max amount of Ca recommended. I also would add Epsom salt. 1/2 tsp per qt of water. I fought some deficiencies myself.

From what I understand, General Hydro teamed up with BioBizz to make some bottled nutes (GH-BB). They had a falling out. General Hydro then released General Organics. Basically, the same line as BioBizz with a couple differences. Biobizz was well known for having a Mag deficiency, especially in flower. Started making the connection after I fought through it myself.

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Maybe a couple other posts here and there. Wasn't too thrilled, but you obviously are having great results.

whatya using now? and how do u compare it to the GO line?

beeznutz said:

whatya using now? and how do u compare it to the GO line?

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hey beez, big up! great haze... mmm. in my experience veganics does help with color.

I talked with Larry about GO, this was over a year ago. He was touring the dispensary I used to work at. He expressed unbalanced flower formula issues. That may have been corrected by now.

beeznutz said:

whatya using now? and how do u compare it to the GO line?

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Switched over to Canna's Bio vega and Bio Flores. I also use Nature's Nectar N. Humboldt Nutrient Natural bloom (0-10-0) and Technaflora Soluble Seaweed (1-1-16) work as bloom boosters. Also run Canna's Bio Boost along with some other misc. additives here and there.

Can't give an honest feedback on results, as I haven't got a harvest on plants grown only with the canna nutes. The ones I have now were all GO. The next batch is mixed and not quite ready. Will be a little while before I can give an honest report.

hmm, so u guys dig on that canna stuff- I'm gonna have to give it a try for sure. right now have plenty of GO left but I'll look into it next crop. i am running low in CaMg and I have to admit it, I too feel like its not enough for what it should be- u guys recommend something else? and what about the canna bioboost, is that something I could use with the current line of GO for flowering?
I'm def interested in Natures Nectar and probably get it soon and also that Technaflora Soluble Seaweed- RP, u think it's better then BioWeed?

Matt Rize said:

hey beez, big up! great haze... mmm. in my experience veganics does help with color.

I talked with Larry about GO, this was over a year ago. He was touring the dispensary I used to work at. He expressed unbalanced flower formula issues. That may have been corrected by now.

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when I was researching for options on organic nutes I waxnt even thinking of vegan so when I went to the local shop and saw "Vegan" written on the front of GO Grow bottle I almost wet my pants that was it, I asked the guy at the shop who's a respectable grower and adviser about it and said def go for it do I did. in fact, I don't remember gettin any info on the Canna line while I was researching for nutes and asking on forums.....
anyhow, I was jus wondering why u choose canna over go, being a local company and all.....

General Organics is a great line, you cant go wrong with them... i have some of their floranecter (its the only questionable veganic product i own) ... they also have a great bio-organic line up.

Canna is great, G.O., Natures Necter, technaflora, humboldlt, Organicare. Everyone has their own reason on which brand is superior, just pay attention to what your plant needs and youll be fine...

beeznutz said:

when I was researching for options on organic nutes I waxnt even thinking of vegan so when I went to the local shop and saw "Vegan" written on the front of GO Grow bottle I almost wet my pants that was it, I asked the guy at the shop who's a respectable grower and adviser about it and said def go for it do I did. in fact, I don't remember gettin any info on the Canna line while I was researching for nutes and asking on forums.....
anyhow, I was jus wondering why u choose canna over go, being a local company and all.....

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BioCanna is certified OMRI, and Larry (owner of GH and GO) doesn't believe in certifications. Considering GH's dominance in the industry, you would think Larry could spend the bucks to get certified. The issue, as I see it, is that GO may not be organic enough to pass OMRI, and that is why he doesn't want inspections.

BioCanna is the tops vegan organic bottled food. The Bioboost can be used with any line, it's just hormones and plant regulators.

I agree that using a local company is ideal, but until the local companies catch up with Canna (and therefore BioCanna), they will get left behind. Canna fyi is the biggest chem company in the cannabis world. Across the pond they dominate the chem industry, and their BioCanna line is relatively new.

Canna also has jerk distributing rules. Only one store per region can carry their products, and they have to carry them all.

beeznutz said:

hmm, so u guys dig on that canna stuff- I'm gonna have to give it a try for sure. right now have plenty of GO left but I'll look into it next crop. i am running low in CaMg and I have to admit it, I too feel like its not enough for what it should be- u guys recommend something else? and what about the canna bioboost, is that something I could use with the current line of GO for flowering?
I'm def interested in Natures Nectar and probably get it soon and also that Technaflora Soluble Seaweed- RP, u think it's better then BioWeed?

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Right on Beez. Been a fan of Canna even before trying the Veganics. Loved their Bio Terra Plus dirt. Used their regular nutes for awhile with great results. Look forward to seeing what the Bio-line up does. And ya man, definitely use up what you got. Nothing wrong with that! I mean, you already got it, so rock it.

For CaMg, I am going to try Botanicare's huvega for Mg and and Calplex for Ca. OMRI listed I believe. Calplex uses mined Gypsum (permitted by OMRI) and huvega uses Magnesium Sulfate (synthetic Epsom Salts and also OMRI listed). I believe huvega would also privide a some fulvic acids too. Pretty sure Matt here has some feedback on these. It would be new to me, when I make the switch. Still plenty of CaMg here. Nothing wrong with the traditional CaMg though, I'm just always down to try something new.

Bioboost works fine with other nutes. You could use it. I've read mixed results. I used it with my indoor GO lineup this last run. Not sure if it did anything though. It's also a bit pricey. Up to you man. You'd be fine without it too I'm sure.

I am sure that Technaflora's soluble Seaweed and Bioweed are pretty similar products. I do not know much about BioWeed, but I would bet both are from Norwegian Kelp. I think the Soluble seaweed would be more concentrated, and last longer, but not sure. With BioWeed, you are paying for some of the water included in the bottle. Also the soluble Seaweed can stay on the shelf forever. Not sure on shelf life of BioWeed. Just a thought. Sharpshoota has a great point here.

RPsmoke420 said:

For CaMg, I am going to try Botanicare's huvega for Mg and and Calplex for Ca. OMRI listed I believe. Calplex uses mined Gypsum (permitted by OMRI) and huvega uses Magnesium Sulfate (synthetic Epsom Salts and also OMRI listed). I believe huvega would also privide a some fulvic acids too. Pretty sure Matt here has some feedback on these. It would be new to me, when I make the switch. Still plenty of CaMg here. Nothing wrong with the traditional CaMg though, I'm just always down to try something new.

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I am using those two for Ca/Mg/S. They are both OMRI and with a tiny bit of Mineral Matrix (as needed) covers the bases well. The huvega is not really for soil feeding, but will be good when mixed with the humic acid in calplex. Fulvic acid... well it's not on the label due to CA law, but I'm pretty sure it's in the huvega.

I like CalMag products in general they are needed. But finding something that has passed OMRI inspection part of what we are doing.

2011 IS THE YEAR TO GET YOUR MMJ GARDEN CERTIFIED ORGANIC! This means anything from a bottle must be OMRI.

RPsmoke420 said:

Bioboost works fine with other nutes. You could use it. I've read mixed results. I used it with my indoor GO lineup this last run. Not sure if it did anything though. It's also a bit pricey. Up to you man. You'd be fine without it too I'm sure.

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Bioboost doesnt do much alone. It is plant hormones. BioBoost allows your plants to do more, but the plants need to have the "building blocks" to make these complex terpenoids, that the bioboost encourages.

jus checked with local shop and I guess biocanna is not certified in Ohio but they're opening a shop in Michigan and they're gonna cary it there so suppusely Ohio might b next, maybe later this yr...
iv check some online shops and looks like biocanna is almost twice as much in price compared with GO - I wonder how much more/less would u use compared with the GO line...
RP, uv switched from GO to biocanna, how do you feel about that?
personally, I don't get too concerned with prices...when I look at it, the goodness ur getting as a final product plus making xtra cash from selling, It more, lots more then justifies it .....
jus asking outta curiosity

i use canna bio line plus organicare's huvega/humega/calplex/seaplex as supplements, couldnt be any happier with the results thus far. Canna's nutirents smell damn good!!

I love the smell of biocanna teriyaki

Anyways, what's everyone's favorite chelating agent?