Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

R3DROCk9 said:

i started reading and got to page 11 of this crackpot's ramblings and still havent noticed much about veganic ways..i, too, am running biocanna and am having some defiiency problems....wanted to see sumone's own run with their line, bu all that shows up on here is a a huge runaround....can sum1 plz direct mHe to post numbers or page numbers thatget down to the nitty?? i dont care about the veganic debate...i jus want sum facts like what to run and what to supplement.....and what works for tem.....wutever....not this poo talk back andforth....shyt gets old after a while....jus fuHkin say wut your doin, wut your experienceing, and what to expect WTF

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LOL, nice post bredren

This thread sure started rough, but what can I say... it's my first thread ever.
Scattered through there are lots of tips. You can also check my journal to avoid the bs.

I'd give you some post links but you already are calling names so I'm not sure about you yet. PEACE

R3DROCk9 said:

i started reading and got to page 11 of this crackpot's ramblings and still havent noticed much about veganic ways..i, too, am running biocanna and am having some defiiency problems....wanted to see sumone's own run with their line, bu all that shows up on here is a a huge runaround....can sum1 plz direct mHe to post numbers or page numbers thatget down to the nitty?? i dont care about the veganic debate...i jus want sum facts like what to run and what to supplement.....and what works for tem.....wutever....not this poo talk back andforth....shyt gets old after a while....jus fuHkin say wut your doin, wut your experienceing, and what to expect WTF

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Deficiency problems? Is that a grammar deficiency or are you just politeness deficient?

If you would have been chill about it you could have gotten more info, personally I don't mind searching through this thread for info that someone wants but can't find, even if they can use the search option themselves....

Take a chill pill (smoke a bowl), tone down the demands, and you will find everything you need here.

Found this really cool link. Info on commercial ferts.
http://agr.wa.gov/Pestfert/Fertilizers/FertDB/Product1.aspx

Bio Vega data link:
http://agr.wa.gov/Pestfert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=4893

Calplex looks to have high levels of metals.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=4439

Huvega too:
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=4439

Here is BioAgs Humic acid with micronutes. The TM-7
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=5497

Originally Posted by Wolverine97
Water feed? Taf?
I know what you are referring to and beeznutz is cool, no tafmangs in here.

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mahn, dunno what u guys been smokin but........pass it on
but seriously, is there a difference if i give water+hygrozym without nutes?
jus wondering since the label says to do it along ur regular feeding schedule

i'm growing in hempy buckets and with organics it's a bit tricky it seems, after a while
i get smelly odor from the bottom of the buckets and have to do a flush, i'd say every 2 weeks. i'm hoping this hygrozyme will work its magic on that bacteria.

fanks matt...i aprreciate da links..long time mi a try fi deal wit da problems dem....i ramped up my nutes, as biocanna seems a liddle weak...girls are feeling better now...shyt eerytime i go in there dey signalin TOUCHDOWN like its still football season LOL


will continue to follow these posts ....wish you the best

in case yaw r wondering i am now listening to Slew Dem by Capleton......


....and to upyourarsenal....listening to Sizzla 'nah apologize' for you hahahah

yuh dun kno



oh p.s. i started using coconot by vermicrop (luvs it) and about to keep brewing vermitea at home as well....anyone with experience with these products....good or bad???

my links-----> myspace.com/oh_no__dare_he_go

So I was at the grow shop. I'm still trying to tweak my watering schedule and was talking with a friend who works there and uses Canna. He got me pointed in t he right direction I think. I need to stop smoking weed when I'm trying to figure shit out because I had about 8 ideas I was working with trying to piece together. After talking to him and looking at everything I've talked with you guys about again, I think I'm getting closer. He uses Canna on a feed water, feed water schedule. I've been trying to feed, feed, feed, like I do with my Fox Farm nutes. Obviously the BioCanna nutes run hot.

The problem I have is this. My friend says he normally will do a 2 gallon feed in 7 gallon buckets once a week. He also gives a 2 gallon watering/supplement 3 days after he feeds. In my grow, my plants normally only take 2 gallons per 10 gallon buckets, one time a week. I guess I am going to just go something like this: On another note, I am only using the Cannazym and Rhizotonic until my bottles are empty and then I will be switching to Hygrozyme for Cannazym and Rhizo.

Veg:
Week 1: 5ml Vega, 5ml Hygro
Week 2: 5ml Nitrozyme, 5ml CaMg+
Week 3: 5ml Vega, 5ml Hygro
Week 4: Tea: Mint Compost, Molasses, and soluble MycoRhizzae sprinkled on top.

Flower:
Week 5: 7.5ml Vega, 7.5ml Hygrozyme
Week 6: 5ml Nitrozyme, 5ml CaMg+
Week 7: 7.5ml Vega, 7.5ml Flores
Week 8: Tea: Mint Compost, Molasses, and soluble MycoRhizzae sprinkled on top.
Week 9: 15ml Flores, 10ml BioBoost
Week 10: 5ml CaMg+, 5ml Hygrozyme, 10ml BioBoost
Week 11: 20ml Flores, 10ml BioBoost
Week 12: 5ml Flores, 10ml BioBoost
Week 13: pH water, 10ml Molasses
Week 14: pH water, 10ml Molasses

This is the schedule as of right now. I started 6 Sour OG clones that are Gen 1 clones from my CC Sour OG. I am going to be experimenting with this and hopefully starting a journal and force myself to track the data. If I can't figure out BioCanna in this next run I'll be done with it for now. The quality I have been getting is incredible, but the yield has been pretty low.

Does this look fairly decent? Is there anything that you guys think I am missing? Are my nutrient levels looking acceptable? I have been having problems with plants yellowing early like was mentioned by many of you. That is why I am implementing the Nitrozyme and carrying the Vega so far in. Not sure about Week 7 and 12. I guess I'll just have to see how that plants are reacting and adjust accordingly. Thus why I am going to be making a journal to keep me honest.

Thanks for the help.

I would think about sticking with the vega longer, I've been yellowing as soon as I switch, and don't like that to start until later. I've been slowly phasing over to flores about 4 weeks in, still using some vega until the flush.

I also don't think you need to add molasses at the end. It has lots of nutrients, if you are thinking about the microherd or sweetening your buds, use something sweet like raw sugar or even sucanant. Molasses isn't really sweet.

ps. week 11: I never feed that hard, but I am a habitual under feeder.

Matt Rize said:

I would think about sticking with the vega longer, I've been yellowing as soon as I switch, and don't like that to start until later. I've been slowly phasing over to flores about 4 weeks in, still using some vega until the flush.

I also don't think you need to add molasses at the end. It has lots of nutrients, if you are thinking about the microherd or sweetening your buds, use something sweet like raw sugar or even sucanant. Molasses isn't really sweet.

ps. week 11: I never feed that hard, but I am a habitual under feeder.

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Thanks for the help Matt. I will make some changes. I'll keep adding a touch of Vega to the mix. I'm just trying to establish a base to start at. I honestly don't see myself pushing too much 10ml of any nutrient. I will just be watching for signs of deficiency mostly. I think I'll maybe try 10ml Flores 5ml Vega at the feeding peak.

And thanks for the input about the molasses at the end. I was thinking of using it for sweet factor. I was thinking of Sugar, but I already have ants around. I haven't really looked into any organic sucanat. I'll check it out, and will just use straight water during flush until I find my organic sweetner.

NightbirdX said:

Thanks for the help Matt. I will make some changes. I'll keep adding a touch of Vega to the mix. I'm just trying to establish a base to start at. I honestly don't see myself pushing too much 10ml of any nutrient. I will just be watching for signs of deficiency mostly. I think I'll maybe try 10ml Flores 5ml Vega at the feeding peak.

And thanks for the input about the molasses at the end. I was thinking of using it for sweet factor. I was thinking of Sugar, but I already have ants around. I haven't really looked into any organic sucanat. I'll check it out, and will just use straight water during flush until I find my organic sweetner.

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im doing just water last 10. this green crack already smells like candy

Matt Rize said:

im doing just water last 10. this green crack already smells like candy

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I'd really like to get a cut of GC. I hear a lot of things about it from my friends out west, but I haven't seen it in Michigan yet.

wut size lights you runnin nightbird?? i wuz feedig my girls from the same nutrient mix and the bitches under t5s were fine, bu the ones under 1k were becoming deficient...more light requires more nutes frm my experiences....i would ramp it up....yellowing is caused by one of three things 1) nute burn 2) ph lockout or 3) deficiency .....i dont think your burning them bc your nute strength is low (too low, in fact), ph is fine bc your using veganics (broad ph range between 5.5-7.0 will work with veganics).....so i would say by order of deductive reasoning that they are deficient..soooo, turn it up mann....get dem bitches dancin!!!

<---running GReen Crack, UK cheese, Nebula, and Krpytonite righ nitty

I run 1k lights. But my problem has been too many nutes. I just had to seperate things into a feed week and watering week. Hopefully things will level out soon.

For my own plants I am finishing up my first set of plants in my rotation. I took down 2 AK-47 last week and just took down a Headband tonight. My last plant of the set is a Great White Shark and comes down this next week. My next set is 2 Apollo 13, and 2 Butterscotch Hawaiian x G-13, which come down in 4-5 weeks. After that I am only growing my Sour OG and Jack Herer which I started from seed. I ordered some Deadhead OG, Chem Valley Kush, and Plushberry also which I will be adding to my set.

I just found a bigger spot to do my thang at today. It has a small room attached which used to be used for a small grow op. I plan on using this as a breeding chamber for some dankness. I was gifted a Strawberry Cough male from a friend who says it comes from good stock. I planned on doing a small scale breeding operation. I am going to cross it with my Jack Herer, Sour OG, White Rhino, and a Blueberry. I am pretty excited about it.

Question. I have a Grand Daddy Purps that is starting to lighten up a bit. It is almost an olive drab color compared to its sisters next to it. It is 3 weeks into flowering. I have been giving it a mix of Vega and Flores, but I guess it isn't enough Nitrogen. Do I do a watering this week with Nitrozyme and a low dose of vega? Or do you think I should just do the Vega and Flores again?

NightbirdX said:

Question. I have a Grand Daddy Purps that is starting to lighten up a bit. It is almost an olive drab color compared to its sisters next to it. It is 3 weeks into flowering. I have been giving it a mix of Vega and Flores, but I guess it isn't enough Nitrogen. Do I do a watering this week with Nitrozyme and a low dose of vega? Or do you think I should just do the Vega and Flores again?

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I don't have any experience with nitrozyme, but if the vega/flores isn't working, then you can always use more vega and less flores. Mine went light green like that early too.

STILL sounds like you need more nutes nightbird...try it on one plant if you dont think im correct....but i know that veganic nutes are traditionally weaker than chemical nutrients..sum ppl run 125% the recommended dosage with biocanna. nute burn, ph lockout, and deficiency all pretty much look the same.

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I don't have any experience with nitrozyme, but if the vega/flores isn't working, then you can always use more vega and less flores. Mine went light green like that early too.

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Thanks for the tip Matt.

Redrock, I have been running on the low end of nutes lately because I had burn issues prior. It seems like when I put more than 10ml a gallon they start burning. I know it is not pH issues, because I had pH lockout on one plant and have been pHing my water ever since with Earth Juice Organic pH up. I'm just trying to tweak my levels I guess.

NightbirdX said:

Thanks for the tip Matt.

Redrock, I have been running on the low end of nutes lately because I had burn issues prior. It seems like when I put more than 10ml a gallon they start burning. I know it is not pH issues, because I had pH lockout on one plant and have been pHing my water ever since with Earth Juice Organic pH up. I'm just trying to tweak my levels I guess.

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I've used Nitrozyme pretty extensively, though I don't use it anymore (only because I'm testing different products). It is a great overall product when used during vegetative and the first week of flowering. It really helps increase the number and quality of bud sites. It's heavy in cytokinins, which is why you don't want to continue using through flower. I'd recommend it as a supplement to what you're currently using, I don't see any potential antagonism.

thanks for the clarification nightbird ......jus curious, tho, is this your first time running biocanna? or have you had many runs before?? the reason i ask is bc it is VERY VERY hard to burn plants with veganics.......if you have experience then i say you are in a better position to diagnose your problem than mHe bc you are ACTUALLY there.....if not, everything else you have stated STILL sounds like it is from under nuting your gurls...my canna feeding schedule says 12-15 of flores per gallon (not 10)...bein that your runnin 1Ks means...more light power requires more nutes....i was using the same solution mix on my gurls under my 1K and then would feed the same batch to my gurls under my T5s......T5 gurls were nice and dark green....bu under 1K, the nutes werent enough

nightbird plz believe: YOUR PLANTS ARE DEFICIENT

...you could also let your solution sit for an hour or two after you mix and before you feed bc the PH does fluctuate for a while....bu honestly thats not your problem jus try more nutes on one plant bc your hesitant about wut im sayin.....then you will see and you can thank me later

R3DROCk9 said:

thanks for the clarification nightbird ......jus curious, tho, is this your first time running biocanna? or have you had many runs before?? the reason i ask is bc it is VERY VERY hard to burn plants with veganics.......if you have experience then i say you are in a better position to diagnose your problem than mHe bc you are ACTUALLY there.....if not, everything else you have stated STILL sounds like it is from under nuting your gurls...my canna feeding schedule says 12-15 of flores per gallon (not 10)...bein that your runnin 1Ks means...more light power requires more nutes....i was using the same solution mix on my gurls under my 1K and then would feed the same batch to my gurls under my T5s......T5 gurls were nice and dark green....bu under 1K, the nutes werent enough

nightbird plz believe: YOUR PLANTS ARE DEFICIENT

...you could also let your solution sit for an hour or two after you mix and before you feed bc the PH does fluctuate for a while....bu honestly thats not your problem jus try more nutes on one plant bc your hesitant about wut im sayin.....then you will see and you can thank me later

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I'm going to agree with this assessment. I'm pretty sure I commented in an earlier thread that you look to be a bit on the light side with your feedings. Deficiency and burn can look virtually identical with only a few small nuances being the visible difference. I went through this years ago using Fox Farm nutrients, and I was perpetually terrified to overfeed my plants and in the process caused myself many unnecessary headaches and shitty yields. I actually quit growing for a few years because I just didn't think I'd figure it out, then I decided I wasn't really risking much by experimenting and I haven't looked back since.

Ya, I am finishing up my first run with BioCanna. Just starting to get the feel for it. It is completely different than my Fox Farms run. I know that I am undernuting according to the chart, but like I said earlier I was trying to feed, feed, feed. Now I am doing feed, water, feed, water to let the plant digest the nutes better. I think once that is back on track, I'll be able to run the higher levels that they recommend. Thank you for the advice though man. How often do you water and feed?