Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Was checking out that T and J website and noticed the Pre Brewed Microbe Tea.

Any thoughts on that for adding some microbes for stealth/apartment gardeners that can't brew their own?
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
on anotha note, i'm getting close to chopping time and i fed the ladies for the last time, would it be beneficial to feed water with just hygrozyme? or just water+mollasses for example? i'm about a week maybe 2 from chopping....
just pH adjusted water bredren. from 10 days til the end. you can use half strength leading up to the plain water
 

beeznutz

Active Member
thx guys, water it is then.....
i was just wondering if hygrozyme would help "clean" up anything from the roots right before harvest..... and maybe mollasses for sweeting the buds?? jus rambling...:eyesmoke:
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
thx guys, water it is then.....
i was just wondering if hygrozyme would help "clean" up anything from the roots right before harvest..... and maybe mollasses for sweeting the buds?? jus rambling...:eyesmoke:
molasses isn't that sweet, compared to say apple juice. but beyond that, I'm not sure adding sweet products really sweetens buds. Or if increasing sweetness is even a good thing. Many varieties are not sweet at all, ie diesel. if anything, molasses is packed with micronutes that you most def do not to be smoking.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Jorge Cervantes says adding sugar during the last 2 weeks augmented the harvest weight of the bud on the right by 20% :confused:
I wouldn't take grow tips from someone who built a career wearing fake dreds and sunglasses... If he could explain that with science, which he can't, I would be open to the idea. But everything I've read says this is bullshit. Flowers are not made of sugars, neither are cannabinoids. Mass is not added the last 10 days generally. I do use a sugar product, bioboost, but that's when the buds are growing 1 to 6 weeks of flower.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
lol at fake dreads and sunglasses
I'm just saying... ed, mel, jorge, soma, ect. All these grow books, with the exception of garden saver, are crap for high yield indoor organics. We don't need a bible. Just give a 150 page readable entertaining book on indoor organics, not some BS bed growing like soma's book... so kushman and I are just wrapping up his indoor veganics book. I'm stoked to get this info out there. but the info on this thread is as deep and advanced as it gets. way beyond a book. you guys have brought it all together. I think about where I was when this thread started, man... thanks to all the cannabinoid filled minds out there. You guys will recognize entire parts of the book from my blog posts and this thread. Once this book is done I'll be back to my original pursuit. The Pursuit of the Pure. And I'll be putting out more hash blogs. rize up RIU! I've had all my stuff on the back burner trying to explain veganics and high yield indoor growing to kyle :mrgreen: :rolleyes: :bigjoint: zing! jk kyle if you're out there! Supercropping chapter is revolutionary. Much of the book is. Kyle wrote the majority, we did some together, and I have a couple chapters at the end.
 

NightbirdX

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I feel you man. The way i grow is completely different than the way I started. I tweak my regimen more and more as I learn more and more. I'd say I have about 3/4 of it down, and just have to figure out the finish. :) I really am glad that I started those Sour Kush and Jack Herer Seeds back in January. The plants are truly amazing and about as far apart growth wise as 2 plants could be. I have had an incredible journey with these plants that continues day in and out as I find out what the plant likes more and more and couple that with the suggestions and information that I glean from you guys on here.

My journey has been long and at times very frusterating, but in the end more rewarding than just about anything else I've done. I think that the most important thing i've learned is that the months of experience is priceless. As shitty as it is to go through issues, pests, mildew, burn, deficiencies, etc., the knowledge gained from dealing with all of those problems is what makes a grower become good at what he does. The shitty growers are the ones who get into it for the short term quick buck, fail at growing and sell their shit on ebay to get back out of it again. The growers who do the best are the ones who learn that the word "fist" can be a verb, roll with the punches, make adjustments and move on. If it were easy to do, a lot more people would be doing it.
 

upthearsenal

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My journey has been long and at times very frusterating, but in the end more rewarding than just about anything else I've done. I think that the most important thing i've learned is that the months of experience is priceless. As shitty as it is to go through issues, pests, mildew, burn, deficiencies, etc., the knowledge gained from dealing with all of those problems is what makes a grower become good at what he does. The shitty growers are the ones who get into it for the short term quick buck, fail at growing and sell their shit on ebay to get back out of it again. The growers who do the best are the ones who learn that the word "fist" can be a verb, roll with the punches, make adjustments and move on. If it were easy to do, a lot more people would be doing it.
Well said man, working hard for what's right. I actually re-read this whole thread a couple weeks ago, it was a pretty interesting, and funny at the same time. Personally I've evolved with this thread as has my garden, to be honest I don't know where I'd be without all this awesome info.

Hey Matt do you still foliar feed bioboost? lol...
 

upthearsenal

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oh yeah, and on the topic on books, I agree most of those books suck, I thought somas was going to be good a couple years ago when I got it, but I never did like it. Although, to this day I still re-read DJ Short's book, that's a good one.
 

sharpshoota

Active Member
I'm just saying... ed, mel, jorge, soma, ect. All these grow books, with the exception of garden saver, are crap for high yield indoor organics. We don't need a bible. Just give a 150 page readable entertaining book on indoor organics, not some BS bed growing like soma's book... so kushman and I are just wrapping up his indoor veganics book. I'm stoked to get this info out there. but the info on this thread is as deep and advanced as it gets. way beyond a book. you guys have brought it all together. I think about where I was when this thread started, man... thanks to all the cannabinoid filled minds out there. You guys will recognize entire parts of the book from my blog posts and this thread. Once this book is done I'll be back to my original pursuit. The Pursuit of the Pure. And I'll be putting out more hash blogs. rize up RIU! I've had all my stuff on the back burner trying to explain veganics and high yield indoor growing to kyle :mrgreen: :rolleyes: :bigjoint: zing! jk kyle if you're out there! Supercropping chapter is revolutionary. Much of the book is. Kyle wrote the majority, we did some together, and I have a couple chapters at the end.
whats up matt, when will the book be ready and how can i get my hands on a copy?, im interested to see how and what you've guys put together with all of yall's experience and knowledge.
I will say that ed,jorge,and mel's books are good for beginners with no prior knowledge and a good way to learn the basics, they got my foot in the door so no harm and they make good reading material in the bathroom haha
However like nightbirdx said, it takes experience, through trial and error to really understand what it takes, and when you do, its a completly new and different mindset and ballgame...
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I feel you man. The way i grow is completely different than the way I started. ... The growers who do the best are the ones who learn that the word "fist" can be a verb, roll with the punches, make adjustments and move on. If it were easy to do, a lot more people would be doing it.
FOR REAL MAN!

Well said man, working hard for what's right. I actually re-read this whole thread a couple weeks ago, it was a pretty interesting, and funny at the same time. Personally I've evolved with this thread as has my garden, to be honest I don't know where I'd be without all this awesome info.... Although, to this day I still re-read DJ Short's book, that's a good one.
Hey Matt do you still foliar feed bioboost? lol...
LMAO... not really. Maybe this summer when PM isn't always a threat. I do like DJ's book, it's not a grow book and doesn't pretend to be. I grew blueberry for a decade... before realizing that it's a pain in the ass to grow.

whats up matt, when will the book be ready and how can i get my hands on a copy?, im interested to see how and what you've guys put together with all of yall's experience and knowledge.
I will say that ed,jorge,and mel's books are good for beginners with no prior knowledge and a good way to learn the basics, they got my foot in the door so no harm and they make good reading material in the bathroom haha
However like nightbirdx said, it takes experience, through trial and error to really understand what it takes, and when you do, its a completly new and different mindset and ballgame...
True I learned from those books a decade ago, and they do make good reading while on the throne, and at the very least, a back up if you ever run out of TP...
 

NightbirdX

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Jorge's book was my intro and it was a great guide that you could follow along with as you grow. I still use it for reference and occassionally read it as bathroom fodder. It is a place to start for those with no knowledge of growing or no one to really talk to.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
dam 100 pages, can someone point me the recipe?
yeah man. mix some dolomite lime and earth worm castings into whatever bagged soil you're thinking about using. maybe a little perlite to balance that.

then what nightbird said. I'd supplement that with a myco inoculant (like the one found here www.bioag.com ) and compost tea. Compost tea every two weeks, inoculant at transplant.

You'll probably need a CalMag too.

Start light, and go up to full strength, maybe by 4 weeks in. Follow directions on supplement, starting at half strength and going up with your nutes. Some good organic unsulfured molasses will be needed for tea, and some good local compost.
 

NightbirdX

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yeah man. mix some dolomite lime and earth worm castings into whatever bagged soil you're thinking about using. maybe a little perlite to balance that.
I've been wanting to amend my soil more. I wanna add some Cottonseed Meal and Earthworm Castings. I already add the lime at 2 TBS per gallon of container that the plants go in. How much Cottonseed Meal and EWC would you recommend adding to my Pro-Mix as a start?
 
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