vegging plants under 40w t5's

So how long you veg them for >>>????? and i sure the hell hope you feed them and got them healthy before flipping
I am sorry dude but you got to get the starving plants .... is going to make more roots mythology out of your head it really just doesn't work like that .....
You say you grow like that but you should really try to grow a plant healthy which means feeding and keep it healthy as it at the end of flower you might be shocked at the outcome here is 30 day old from seed started feeding it 30 - 10 - 10 @ 2 weeks this was grown under 18 watt sunblaster @ 30 days transplanted into 60 liter or 16 gallon pot and into veg room 1150 watts Gavita, 1150 ppm of C02 and 900 ppm of nutrients for 18 hrs then remaining under T5's for 24 hr lighting and here after 48 hrs what it looked like
So just saying roots are important but with out nutrients WTF and trust me i grow 4 - 6 - 8 pound plants here this plant is 5 feet wide and going to be 8 feet long in 300 gallons and free to grow into the earth this plant will be 4 - 7 pounder one plant
your talking about shoots again plant needs nutrients to create shoots lol i tell you that one plant is 5 feet tall 5 feet wide and training it to 8 feet long lol that one plant has 10,000 shoots lol but again its being fed organics not starving it and trust me main stalk is 5 inches thick laterals are 2 " and that is from plant having nutrients
so dude i will show you a root ball come fall

Not trying to come off as a prick but you keep saying starving plants so that it will get more roots lol and roots is more yield then ask your self why do DWC grown in 5 gallon have less roots then 5 gallon soil bucket and DWC will yield more
Vegging determines yield and with vegging also plants and roots get larger
seriously if you were to dig out one of your plants it will probably have less roots then foliage and why cause plant is weak why dont you go for a 20 mile run in 3days but EAT nothing for the 3 days whats going to happen ???? its all about right amounts and right times give it less at beggining it will stunt all life needs fuel to get bigger
other then that good luck on your grow

thete

Darth Vapour said:

Not trying to come off as a prick but you keep saying starving plants so that it will get more roots lol and roots is more yield then ask your self why do DWC grown in 5 gallon have less roots then 5 gallon soil bucket and DWC will yield more
Vegging determines yield and with vegging also plants and roots get larger
seriously if you were to dig out one of your plants it will probably have less roots then foliage and why cause plant is weak why dont you go for a 20 mile run in 3days but EAT nothing for the 3 days whats going to happen ???? its all about right amounts and right times give it less at beggining it will stunt all life needs fuel to get bigger
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great looking plants fellow

ask your self why do DWC grown in 5 gallon have less roots then 5 gallon soil bucket and DWC will yield more
not sure a DWC grown in 5 gallon have less roots but the nute flow over the roots so the up take of nutes is easier for a plant grown in water


I am growing plants in soil, its cheap soil but good quality so there lots of food in the soil and the point I am trying to make is to get the plants to use up all the food before potting up or feeding the plants, 9 out of 10 grows that go wrong is because new growers over water or overfeed young plants

jacksthc said:

update of how there getting on and I have just re potted them and turned them over flower

last day in veg

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first day in flower there about 8" wide and 6" high so there off to a good start

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something i forgot to add

In the passed I have potted up from 1ltr pot to a 10 ltr pot and pot and giving the plant a good soak and this has stunted the plants for days (big mistake)
the last couple of years I have dropped the 1ltr pots in a bucket of water so the root mass is soaked when its time to water the plants (make sure the root mass is dry)
and them used damp soil straight out the bag to fill the 10ltrt pot and the plants love it




plants are not stunted at all after potting up and have started to grow in less than 12 hours after potting up

Nice man. The new growth should be pretty vigorous at first. The transplant might have slowed it down a bit but the 12 and 12 usually causes some massive growth in the first few weeks.

mollymcgrammar said:

Nice man. The new growth should be pretty vigorous at first. The transplant might have slowed it down a bit but the 12 and 12 usually causes some massive growth in the first few weeks.

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cheers mate
I picked skunk 1 because its a 35% Sativa / 65% Indica so I could defoliation the plants as its a hardly Indica hybrids without stressing them out, but the 35% of sativa means they grow a lot larger in flower compared to a Indica strain.

The yield is high and so is the quality of the buds and it should only take 8 weeks (56 days) to flower as sensi seeds says it takes 45-50 days
the strain is very stable and the price of the seeds is good

so I am sure they will be big and bushy in a few weeks, not going to play with then in flower in case I stunt them
will be taking cutting in 2 -3 weeks time when I first see the buds start to form

molly

mollymcgrammar said:

Nice man. The new growth should be pretty vigorous at first. The transplant might have slowed it down a bit but the 12 and 12 usually causes some massive growth in the first few weeks.

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See the Problem is everyone thinks you have grow phase and bloom phase and how it is presented veg 18 + lighting and bloom phase 12 hrs ( Flowering )
But actually there are 4 phases and once you understand and know the phases you can actually push your plants for more production ..
And each of these phases need different types of nutrition as well as genetics , nutrients and environment play a crucial roll
a plant @ 40 watts will not need much nutrients as one under 1000 watts ..
Therefore it cannot be good quality soil i am thinking it has extremely low amounts i would think
Dude you should try this simple n cheap

1 bag of EWC
2 bags of top soil
1 bag of rinsed perlite
You could even add bag of sea compost this would easily take it 4 weeks from seedling only water
but to each there own will check out your grow from time to time good luck

Darth Vapour said:

molly

See the Problem is everyone thinks you have grow phase and bloom phase and how it is presented veg 18 + lighting and bloom phase 12 hrs ( Flowering )
But actually there are 4 phases and once you understand and know the phases you can actually push your plants for more production ..
And each of these phases need different types of nutrition as well as genetics , nutrients and environment play a crucial roll
a plant @ 40 watts will not need much nutrients as one under 1000 watts ..
Therefore it cannot be good quality soil i am thinking it has extremely low amounts i would think
Dude you should try this simple n cheap

1 bag of EWC
2 bags of top soil
1 bag of rinsed perlite
You could even add bag of sea compost this would easily take it 4 weeks from seedling only water
but to each there own will check out your grow from time to time good luck

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sorry fellow but for 1 ft2 veg cabnet, 40w of t5 daylight tubes is a good amount of light for a small veg cab with Mylar on each wall, the veg room is very bright !!.
a plant @ 40 watts will not need much nutrients as one under 1000 watts (this doesn't make any sense)

its all down to the plant size and the size of the root mass, the bigger the plant the more light and nutrients the plant can use.

1000w covers a 5ft x5ft room but whats the point if you have a small single plant under it
best use a 250w hps as you save a lot on electric and its easier to keep the room cool, till it out grows the light

the other thing is the room it takes up (5ft x 5ft) and it would cost me £45 to run for the 4 weeks
my veg room cost about £2 and I don't think the results will be any different if I flower under a 600w hps

I have played around with 250w/400w/600w, mh/hps in veg and flower and its just not needed in the summer, I will be using the 250w mh on my next crop (in about 6 weeks time) as the heat from the mh will go in the flower room and keep the flowering plants warm as the temps drop for when the lights off in my flower room

4 phases Pre-flowering, Early flowering, Peak flowering, Late Flowering
more of a sale pitch than anything else

canopy shape is the main thing I go for in late veg/ early flower.
you can spend £100's on nutes, boosters etc and gain nothing (Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow And Bloom+b52,big Bud,voodo cost £156 on ebay)
that cost more than all my electric, nutes, soil for the hole crop (veg and flower)
but to each there own.

I dont see shit wrong with the 40watts. The plants are okay, and the T5s performed as expected. Of course your not gunna grow a massive plant but the new light and cycle will have your plant growing like crazy now.

And shit i am growing in yard dirt with no nutes and doing fine.

Dont get me wrong Darth, your right... Im just saying that not everyone is looking to produce monsters like that.

You clearly know your shit, but budget grows can be effective. My current grow is a joke, just to see what happens. I expect the results to reflect my efforts... Little to nothing.

Jacks will make out alright. The short veg time and low watts cost him some yeild but gained him a sooner harvest. Im confident the new pots and light will allow some rapid growing over the next weeks

update 4 days 12/12
my 600w lumatek dimmable ballast is turned down to 400w as my plants only cover a 2 ft.sq, the canopy is 10" under the hood
saves a lot more on the electric bill and the plants are loving the 400w hps

There about 12" wide and 8" high, there just starting to grow, keeping the light close to the tops the canopy so the stem grows thick instead of stretching
everything is going to plan and the plants are very healthy and happy

enjoy

jacksthc said:

update 4 days 12/12
my 600w lumatek dimmable ballast is turned down to 400w as my plants only cover a 2 ft.sq, the canopy is 10" under the hood
saves a lot more on the electric bill and the plants are loving the 400w hps

There about 12" wide and 8" high, there just starting to grow, keeping the light close to the tops the canopy so the stem grows thick instead of stretching
everything is going to plan and the plants are very healthy and happy

enjoy

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Were they fem seeds?

yer there fem seeds

quick update 6 days in flower

8 days in flower






There about 10" high now

10 days in flower and there really going for it now, here a pic of my girls
added a 120w tube heater (lights off ) as the day temps have dropped (run the light 8pm-8am) and I don't want the nodes streching
going to start using the 600w hps tonight as there out growing the 400w

there about 12" high now

got my old clone box out, its a storage box 20" (L) , 13" (W), 10" (H) and has one t5 8w tube screwed to the lid

works great

never put more than 30 clones in the box but its got the room to root more than 60 clones

The size of the box compaired to the power of the light means I don't need a fan and the cutting stay at the right temputer as it only rises a few degrees centigrade so I only need to lift the lid once a day and give them a quick spray





turned the light up to 600w and lifted the hood so its 14" above the canopy and spaced the plants out even

12 days in flower 12/12 update

The plants have a large root mass and drinking 5ltrs of water every 3 days (just over 1ltr each)

I have been feeding them 1/2 tsp of Epson salts, 1/2 tsp of cal-mag, 1tsp of fish mix, for the last week in 5ltrs of water.
will start adding some boom in the next week

The key is to keep the mix weak but give them what they need and no more, the health of these plants is perfect and thats the way I want to keep them

The plants have now filled the room and are still growing so if I don't get any problems the room will be packet soil with buds in a few weeks

They look hella happy.. nice work

thanks fellow for the kind words