Evil-Mobo
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This will be in a 3X3 tent
Well it's over sized the actual dimensions are: 39" deep x 39" wide x 79" tall
Verticle bare bulb cmh
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Well it's over sized the actual dimensions are: 39" deep x 39" wide x 79" tall
Frajola
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Just a question.......Im in veg 12/12 accidentally ( duh) someone " " not me another retard"" , touched the timer and the schedule changed for 15/9 for about 6 days .......SO here is the question. Is that light change enough to cause light stress and therefore compromise the yield w seeds and shit ??
Peace , if u can have, if not rollitup. lol
Peace , if u can have, if not rollitup. lol
babe
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No it wont, for sure it wont. No worries. That's what poor people run on their's the entire cycle. Even only 14 and their still good, dont get very tall, but limits their energy foot print. Poor people just go with 14-15 for 6 weeks, its enough for small yields. It may decrease your yields slightly, but ya get yer buds earlier. Fear not it's cool! Dont switch back though, stay at 12/12, till there done. Also if your going for seed remember that some seed breeders make their plants so that you can't get viable seed from them. It's called seed copyright or sumthing like that. I tryed it but didnt work. Later...
DesertGrow89
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Nope, it won't cause seeds and shit. I've ran 12/12 from seed and would not recommend it especially for vert, there just isn't much vigor and they take forever to grow.
F1_Grower
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Thats me!
F1_Grower
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Hi fellow RIU members!
Im new to indoor cultivation (first time indoor in week 7 flower day 54, open loop system no co2 except mycelium bags lol RH 38% to 48% T 64 F lights on 64 F lights off, running AN Conissuer a + b & line of additives,) so please bare with me. I decided to pull trigger on 4 SS LEC 315 RA cmh bare vert (experimenting with one opened ss hood for a lec 315 cmh re heat/par output)
Just placed an order 2 hours ago for four Sun System lec 315s RA REMOTE cmh, sockets, ballasts and cords to go vertical!
Thought I would also get mogul adapter to replace my current setup two 1k watt hid mh/hps to also hang bare-vert or within a ILuminar Vertical DE Lamp Fixture 315-1000W 120-480V.
I also decided to get a Sun System LEC cmh 315 Remote hood (ballasts all detached/remote)
[*]Sun System LEC 315 RA Remote Reflector (x1)
[*]Sun System LEC Inner Sun PGZX Socket Assembly (x 3)
[*]Sun System 1 LEC 315 Watt Etelligent Compatible Digital Ballast, 120/240 Volt (x4) hope these are low frequency square wave
[*]Philips 3,100K (×3) & 4,200K (×3)CDM (Ceramic Metal Halide) 315 Watt Lamps
Just under 1500$ :/ when I harvest in 10 to 14 days my current ice cream cake and katsu gals im going to pull trigger on MAIN lighting source which will be the
Amare Bar 8 CannaSpec
to compliment my 2 to 3 SS 315s cmh bare vert , this is after countless hours of research and wisdom from members like @hybridway2
This all to replace my current flip room lighting and add a veg room for gelato #41 cuts i just recieve:
+current lighting in flower room - two 1k watt aircooled hydrofarm and labyield mh/hps, 12 150w recessed full spec white and blue/red leds, and two 2bulb t5s with bloom led tubes.
Sorry for winded post but Its been hard to fall asleep and run my lights 9pm to 9am so all 'Lux ' hitting my body working in the grow room from 9 to 11pm is messing with my circadian i think
Cheers!
Pics are week 6 flower, a little disappointed with bud size, had lil issue in beginning with aphids and gnats but lost coast /mammoth bt/bti and paint sprayer fogger got em ok and bigger issue week 5 flower had to leave town so now water and mech issue high Temps stress for 3 days.
Fox farm O.F. med, stealth RO, ph 5. To 6.4 , ppm sitting at 1100, starting flush on katsu but waiting 3 more days on icc
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gr865
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I run depending on the grow two Nanolux 315W CMH. Will run these either vertical or horizontal.
5 plant vertical grow on screens.
Inside the tent.
Outside the tent.
Facing right, with not net holding them back to the screen. One was added later to support the branches.
Single plant face on and facing right.
Horizontal grow
Both methods work well for me, but I do enjoy Vertical gardening.
Normally I will run a vertical on my first run of the season and the second run is usually a horizontal grow.
5 plant vertical grow on screens.
Inside the tent.
Outside the tent.
Facing right, with not net holding them back to the screen. One was added later to support the branches.
Single plant face on and facing right.
Horizontal grow
Both methods work well for me, but I do enjoy Vertical gardening.
Normally I will run a vertical on my first run of the season and the second run is usually a horizontal grow.
F1_Grower
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I admire your work! Great job.
I plan on making 12 of those trellis tomm. I love how portable, lightweight, and reusable they are. done this before outdoor never indoor and want to be able to walk through the 12 gals (6 on ea side to back 5 x 5 grow room(aka master bath lol) im also building tomm where there will b one hooded 315w lec remote cmh and one recessed covering a 4 x 3 bath tub im retrofitting with river rock, mesh covering hole and plastic liner, promix hp soil, pvc vertically submerged to perforated French drain at bottom helping drainge, watering etc.
Im going to start new thread re Master Bathtub indoor grow to see if anyone has tips/tricks. I.E. Since ill have to still drag out tub after harvesting in 3 months, what is lighter to put at bottom of tub (and my 12 7gal containers)? I've heard of Styrofoam being used in indoor raised fabric garden bed , could I use 3 in layer of perlite? What about my 'dirt pots' that are fabric I use in horizontal scrog grow? Do yall use drainage rock at bottom or just make sure ur soil porosity on point?
This will be the first and maybe only time in my life ill be able to do such a thing (growing vert in master bath. since moving back in with the moms she wanted me to demo and take out tube so first ima do this with 3 wall trellis.
Are those 5gal, 10 or 15? What in pvc? And did you put a metal stake in back part first before putting the back 'leg' of frame on/in dirt? How tall and wide did ya make it? Im pretty good at topping, lst, hst, monster cropping as I think I did alright from pic above horizontal scrog under 2k watts se hps and recessed blurp/full spec leds.
I don't want be a copy cat re your trellis idea but its just too perfect, so thank you kindly!
while I was at home depot wish I had material list @gr865 but ended up getting orange diamond plastic fencing instead of green color bc hole size differs, metal stakes 16inches to hold back in place not get dirt all stuck in pvc, 12 10ft 1in pvc, elbow 90 connectors, T connectors, and zip ties.
In my new 5 x 8 x 8 grow room im setting up tomm will have, 25lb co2 tank, 3 bare vert 2:1 4200k to 3200k bulbs with ballasts outside room, Amare bar8 solar spec and one 8" hurricane on minute timer exhausting hot air while c02 isn't running.
Its my first time setting up co2 and sealed room but the exhausting of hit air will be through master bath hvac to attic/roof. And im using 7, 10 gals and 6 , 5 gals with promix hp. I wanted to use all 10 or 15 gals but hydro store dude said not for indoor bc I would need to veg for at least 6 weeks.... :/ I just thought from your pic those look like at least 10s...bc I was worried with
I like the saying I heard on RIU , big roots = big fruits but I cant afford to do more than a 3 to 4 wk veg on these gelato 41 cuts that are plug n play ready in 'solo cup' size soil containers begging for those 315 cmhs to arrive tues and led in 7 days.
However, im now realizing this is the fun of growing and being a noob to indoor by having expanded my operations now without even harvesting first run of katsu kush and ice cream cake horizontal scrog pic above yet on day 55. Im also gonna do a thread on help deciding harvest time based on nug squeeze and trich pics, im nervous and upset I let Temps get high to 85 and mech error no water 4 days during wk 5 flower. As this is my first time and since August last year when I decided to take outdoor clones for indoor setup, I've also grown personally and learned so much which I can accredit to this community of fellow growers.
Thank you.
Cheers!
Here's some before pics of the 5 x 8 and 5 x 5 im setting up bare bulb vert, yep master bath tub lol
Ill keep ya all updated and shorten my posts my appologies.
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F1_Grower
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I kinda wish I went with your design but all seems to b different is other use Doc https://www.rollitup.org/t/pi-wall-anyone.872303/post-11662706
Used orange fencing with slight backward tilt and a back leg positioned i soil and front secured to lib of grow container.
gr865
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For both of these grows I used 2 gallon smart pots (fabric). I have used 3 gallon but did not need that. I grow Drain To Waste in 70/30 Coco/Perlite using multiple water cycles and a two gallon smart pot out performs plastic pots big time.
The pvc are what the frames is made of.
This frame is attached to the wooden plant stand and is on rollers and can be pulled 20 plus inches front to back.
Space at the front of the tent.
And space at the back of the tent, when the stand is pulled all the way forward.
.This was my previous grow, also on the rollers but I also put them on a Lazy Susan and can rotate the stand around 320 degrees.
The Lazy Susan
The pvc frame
And how it works.
My next grow will be a vertical grow, but next springs grow will be a horizontal scrog and I am going to put the rectangle frame on the Lazy Susan. Got to make work easy on this old man.
Copycat, hell like you I used Marlo's idea, which is actually from IC Magazine, for my frames except I used 2x2 stainless screen. If interested I can give you his full thread on IC Mag. With your room size Marlo's setup would work great for you. Two lamps hung vertical on light movers would be Tit's!
A couple of shots of the plant frames I use in my vertical grows. I have since widened the frame to 22" from 16".
This is how I attach the plant to the screen, hobby pipe cleaners.
All in all it works good, a lot of work. About the same amount of work as a horizontal scrog.
My tent is a 4x4 so that is 16 sqft, with the 5 screens and running vertical it increases my grow square footage to around 30 sqft. each vertical screen is around 6 sqft.
My grows, no matter the grow method, produce 24 to 29 zips of smokable dried, cured buds in jars.
Good luck and if you need any help just ask.
F1_Grower
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Thank you! I do spend many hours a day dedicated to a grow should b automated,, learning each day.. Have a great one.
F1_Grower
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Please send Marlo's ! I git the 2 x 4 x 8 bath tub and that 5 x 8 x 8 thorough through. I would love to do this in bath tub up the walls
ttystikk
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Just out of curiosity, do you use the same lights and total wattage for vertical vs flatlander style?
gr865
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Hi there Stikk,
Yes, I just remove the reflectors.
ttystikk
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That explains why your yields are the same.
With the greater canopy surface area of vertical, you might try throwing more light, stop your total watts per square foot remains admit the same. I'll bet you'd see better yields then.
Keep up the good work, brother! I always enjoy lurking your grows.
gr865
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Thanks dude you know I appreicate your comments.
Not sure what you mean in the second paragraph? What is throwing more light, stop your total watts per SQFT remains the same?
ttystikk
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Jesus, my mobile phone really fucked that one up!
I'll try again:
Since you have more canopy surface area when you run vertical, instead of just using the same amount of light try increasing the amount of light so the vertical space gets as many Watts per square foot as the flat grow does.
I hope that's better!
gr865
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Not sure how I can add more light? Any ideas?
F1_Grower
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Hi guys-
Just wanted to thank you all for the inspiration and putting up with my long posts in beginning. Here's a post update of my new bare 315 cmh vert grow setup wk1 veg.
Closed loop running co2 50lb tank with splitter to also begin supplying existing 10 x 6 x 9 flower room(horizontal scrog setup) where ill b replacing my two 1k watt hids with two 250 w viaspectra full spec leds along side my gavita 1k w de slim pro.enabling a closed loop system. Only other way is to now cool those lights with carbon filter air but rather air from house 70 to 75F Outside nor cal bay area 35F to 55 F rH 70 to 85%.
The new bare vert cmh Its a 5 x 5 x 8 (bath tub) and a 5 x 8 x 8 master bath grow. Second ever indoor grow , first cmh, first bare vert.
Running gelato #41 clones, and pheno hunting for katsu in bathtub grow (5x5). 8in AC infinity intake collar, 8in hurricane on timer 'burping' room at 75F. Also will be adding 6in outtake connected to elbow ducting for vert hydrofarm cooltube to run either 315cmh via mogul adapter, or 1k w mh/hps bc of constant coolage which will be ducted out master bath vent via a 6 in to 4 in reducer. I have both 315 cmh ballasts outside grow rooms. Be sure to get 25ft extensions for this.
My first grow in my other flip room with two 1k watt hids and two vert t5s , and 12 recessed full spect/blue_red leds was great except for aphids and wk 5 flower temp/lack of water stress :/ 6in AC inline intake fresh cool air with filters and 6in hurricane on carbon pushing while another 6in pulling outtake. im harvesting first time indoor tomorrow at day 70 two wk flush. Ill attach pics of both grow rooms.
I had to undo hardwire in the phantom ballast/reflector kits I got and re-hardwired to light fixture bracket and yes I got my gfci outlets installed on my 20A lines no problem! Also will be finishing up portable 4ft pvc vert individual trellises tomorrow!
Have two viaspectra 250w leds (each supposedly replace a 600w hid) running at 60% , and two 315w cmh vert( will be adding a third) , the two t5s and gavita de 1000w are both off right now. Temps currently are 74 F lights on 66 F lights off and humidy 56 to 62 %.
Soil Promix HP, A&N Sensi A+B, plusb52, and voodoo juice, PPM 400 - 450,pH 5.8 to 6.4.
Open to any questions or inquiries
Cheers
Just wanted to thank you all for the inspiration and putting up with my long posts in beginning. Here's a post update of my new bare 315 cmh vert grow setup wk1 veg.
Closed loop running co2 50lb tank with splitter to also begin supplying existing 10 x 6 x 9 flower room(horizontal scrog setup) where ill b replacing my two 1k watt hids with two 250 w viaspectra full spec leds along side my gavita 1k w de slim pro.enabling a closed loop system. Only other way is to now cool those lights with carbon filter air but rather air from house 70 to 75F Outside nor cal bay area 35F to 55 F rH 70 to 85%.
The new bare vert cmh Its a 5 x 5 x 8 (bath tub) and a 5 x 8 x 8 master bath grow. Second ever indoor grow , first cmh, first bare vert.
Running gelato #41 clones, and pheno hunting for katsu in bathtub grow (5x5). 8in AC infinity intake collar, 8in hurricane on timer 'burping' room at 75F. Also will be adding 6in outtake connected to elbow ducting for vert hydrofarm cooltube to run either 315cmh via mogul adapter, or 1k w mh/hps bc of constant coolage which will be ducted out master bath vent via a 6 in to 4 in reducer. I have both 315 cmh ballasts outside grow rooms. Be sure to get 25ft extensions for this.
My first grow in my other flip room with two 1k watt hids and two vert t5s , and 12 recessed full spect/blue_red leds was great except for aphids and wk 5 flower temp/lack of water stress :/ 6in AC inline intake fresh cool air with filters and 6in hurricane on carbon pushing while another 6in pulling outtake. im harvesting first time indoor tomorrow at day 70 two wk flush. Ill attach pics of both grow rooms.
I had to undo hardwire in the phantom ballast/reflector kits I got and re-hardwired to light fixture bracket and yes I got my gfci outlets installed on my 20A lines no problem! Also will be finishing up portable 4ft pvc vert individual trellises tomorrow!
Have two viaspectra 250w leds (each supposedly replace a 600w hid) running at 60% , and two 315w cmh vert( will be adding a third) , the two t5s and gavita de 1000w are both off right now. Temps currently are 74 F lights on 66 F lights off and humidy 56 to 62 %.
Soil Promix HP, A&N Sensi A+B, plusb52, and voodoo juice, PPM 400 - 450,pH 5.8 to 6.4.
Open to any questions or inquiries
Cheers
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F1_Grower
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Ever think of adding recessed leds or corn cob led bulbs? As supplementation to your 315 cmh