Very Interesting Breeding Inquiry

OK. So, this would, in fact, be my first breeding project. I have four seeds out of a legitimate bag of the Thin Mint variety of the GSC. I would suspect that the plants stressed from either the broadmite invasion, potential light leaks or the culmination of the two but when the harvest came, the plants closest to the door had a few beans. When grown properly and stress-free, the GSC is an amazing product. My buddy has been running it for about 2 years, tried and true, never thrown beans before EVER!!!! I, personally, don't run anything, I'm just a strain hoarder, in a sense. I have over 70 proven strains but most are from clones. Here lies my dilemma. I know a little bit about seeds but not enough to confidently do what I have planned. So let me lay it on you...

The four GSC seeds popped within 4 days. 3 of them are working on their first set of true leaves already. The GSC in question, I already have established mothers. The mothers I have are cuttings from the mother plant of GSC my buddy has so it's from the same gene pool. I am hoping for a male GSC (if that is possible. I had a friend tell me since the strain is "clone only", you won't ever get a male. So I was thinking colloidal silver. More on that later.). If a male were to occur, I have several plants I wish to pollinate. But the grand question is, are these seeds viable anyway? I mean, sure, I know the general source of where these seeds came from but will they carry any desirable traits of the GSC into the plants I choose to cross it with?

An even more interesting question arises. The discovery of these GSC seeds also led me to germinate a few Hindu Kush seeds I got from Sensi a while back. These seeds are feminized. I have been told by several sources that feminized seeds WILL NOT clone. So, that only makes me wonder, can they yield viable seed? If I were to cross male pollen from a hypothetical GSC seed plant with a feminized Hindu Kush, would I be totally wasting my time or do I have the potentiality to create something awesome?

I've been cloning a from an original fem. bean for 2 years. It's a pure female though never had beans or herm trait. G13labs Pineapple Express

Whoever told you that you can't clone from a fem. bean is full of sh*t.
Maybe if it was a Autofem. but not photoperiods.

Cloned Barneys violator kush fems twice 4 clones each time (clones from clones, 100% success)
BIg bang fem once (4 clones, 3 took, despite abuse (they hed to go into 12/12 for a while, tried to flower then got re-vegged)

Alright. I got more fem. beans so I'll sit on the dominators and keep them as moms but Hindu Kush is such a potent parental strain, I can't help myself but to want to cross it with said hypothetical GSC pollen. If I don't get a male out of these four, I'm going to attempt the colloidal silver application on two of them and try to get them to switch. Will fem. seeds yield viable seeds is the absolute inquiry, I suppose. Basically, with all these plants being from seed, infinite possibilities as long as I keep records, huh?

And all GSC Herms its a trait in the GSC every person i know growing it has had the same Problom the GSC is not stable!!!

Perhaps a stupid suggestion/thought/idea:

flower one, stress till it hermies, and use pollen from that ?

Or is this an absolute rediculous thought?

GSC has a unique flavor and potency is good> but not like my emerald OG's powerful buzz.
I build a tolerance to GSC like many strains I've grown in the past.

I think he meant breeding with fems.

How is it you claim to have 70 varieties and don't know if you can clone a femmed seed plant? I'm sorry but I am really confused.
Yes you can make seeds. No you are not going to find a dude in fem seeds, maybe an individual with intersex expression.
Yes you can clone a fem, breed them and even self them.

Good luck

I'm doing more research on the plot. The colloidal silver will get me female pollen, which I can used to pollinated the feminized Hindu Kush. The GSC is NOT stable because too many people are doing half-ass seed projects. The original GSC from Berkeley is the one. You gotta get it from Berner for the official. The lineage and stock that I got the GSC seed from is good. I just want to make some awesome new dank. This GSC is sticky, dense. Like I said, in like 5, maybe 6 runs, never threw beans but the soil was depleted, season change and broadmites will stress a plant into thinking "I'm gonna die...MY SEED MUST LIVE ON!!!!!" and it'll throw beans. And he just got done with the new run of it from the same moms and it's business as usual, same quality, it's the Cookies. I can't really write this particular seed off. However, if I don't get a legitimate male from seed, Colloidal silver is in. Apparently, what is yielded is "female" pollen and I'll still have the Sensi Seeds Hindu Kush feminized plants to cross. I think I'm just gonna pollinate 5 strains with Cookie pollen, chart it all up, get my buddies to run some and see what happens. I feel like I can get a gem out of the Hindu Kush because it's an ancient landrace strain. Big yielder. Potent. Plus cookie. Hmmmmm.....I got all the time in the world to make something awesome happen.

For the most part, all but 4 of my plants are from cutting. I just go to the club or my buddy and say "Yeah, I'll take a clone." and mom it out. But I got this Aerogarden and started popping seeds. They're not even cloneable yet if I wanted to, barely a foot. The only femmed ones are an IBL Straw Diesel and the Hindu and I was just going off what my buddy was saying. On the other hand, though, he just uses "Hill" seeds. No telling what he's seen. Not that great of a breeder and that's who I need to talk to. Now I'm thinking I should backcross the Cookie pollen with itself and go from there first.

Sounds like a-lot of chucking...

There will be. Diamond in the rough stylie. I just gotta make sure I document everything. The seeding and mothering I can do myself. I'll just pass cuts out to my buddies and when the run is over, my buddies will for sure let me know what happened. Same buddy that uses "Hill" seeds was basically saying what I want to do is hit a plant with the male pollen, harvest the seed, pick 50 prime seeds, grow 'em, mom out the females, take cuttings from the females and be sure to label them "Brand X #1, Brand X #2..." etc., respectively to which female plant you took the cuttings from, run those and see which one gets you what you want in a new strain. Gotta do what you gotta do.

BlocksburgBilly said:

OK. So, this would, in fact, be my first breeding project. I have four seeds out of a legitimate bag of the Thin Mint variety of the GSC. I would suspect that the plants stressed from either the broadmite invasion, potential light leaks or the culmination of the two but when the harvest came, the plants closest to the door had a few beans. When grown properly and stress-free, the GSC is an amazing product. My buddy has been running it for about 2 years, tried and true, never thrown beans before EVER!!!! I, personally, don't run anything, I'm just a strain hoarder, in a sense. I have over 70 proven strains but most are from clones. Here lies my dilemma. I know a little bit about seeds but not enough to confidently do what I have planned. So let me lay it on you...

The four GSC seeds popped within 4 days. 3 of them are working on their first set of true leaves already. The GSC in question, I already have established mothers. The mothers I have are cuttings from the mother plant of GSC my buddy has so it's from the same gene pool. I am hoping for a male GSC (if that is possible. I had a friend tell me since the strain is "clone only", you won't ever get a male. So I was thinking colloidal silver. More on that later.). If a male were to occur, I have several plants I wish to pollinate. But the grand question is, are these seeds viable anyway? I mean, sure, I know the general source of where these seeds came from but will they carry any desirable traits of the GSC into the plants I choose to cross it with?

An even more interesting question arises. The discovery of these GSC seeds also led me to germinate a few Hindu Kush seeds I got from Sensi a while back. These seeds are feminized. I have been told by several sources that feminized seeds WILL NOT clone. So, that only makes me wonder, can they yield viable seed? If I were to cross male pollen from a hypothetical GSC seed plant with a feminized Hindu Kush, would I be totally wasting my time or do I have the potentiality to create something awesome?

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your friend doesnt have the thin mint phenotype, but likely the forum cut. the s1's from forum cut will all be different. especially if you only have 4. bagseed will produce hermies from that cut and finding a keeper is more of a mission than its worth. you would have to reverse one of those beans and cross it with all the other beans and maybe your mothers to produce s1 and s2's and you would have to grow 200 and flower them all to select any keepers.

all the rumors you are hearing about feminized seeds is just bs. you can clone any plant other than the autoflowering variety. gsc pollen isnt very viable and its pretty difficult to cross. i suggest finding the best stankiest most uniform og kush male you can find and reverse it and let it dust the gsc. i have done it with the triangle kush aka south florida og and had great results

What you seem to be missing is that GSC is a polyhybrid, you start hitting it with pollen and you will end up with nothing like the clone you have. That is the problem with making GSC seeds, they cannot stabilize it. If you have to ask the questions you are asking, you won't be able to stabilize it either.

Breeding is more complicated than just crossing a few plants + create a replica.

Exactly Althor Like i said in an Earlyer post The GSC is not Stable Dont bother Breeding with it find a new strain or Cross sum Orginals to make your own Hype Strain Fuck GSC!!!

HungryMan420 said:

Exactly Althor Like i said in an Earlyer post The GSC is not Stable Dont bother Breeding with it find a new strain or Cross sum Orginals to make your own Hype Strain Fuck GSC!!!

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i don't really think its totally worth throwing the baby out with the bathaater on this one, if anyone could pair the gsc cut with some genes that would impart a higher yield and more sexual stability, and maintaining the taste that is the main reason for the cuts desirability, they would be really on to something. that's what draws me to sin's cross with their fantastic blue power. did you not get good results there?

however, how well a plant responds to being selfed is highly dependant on what recessive genes that plant has, and it looks like s1s of the gsc tend to put out a lot of not particularly desirable outcomes. i can think of a few other elite clones like that.

BlocksburgBilly said:

The mothers I have are cuttings from the mother plant of GSC my buddy has so it's from the same gene pool. I am hoping for a male GSC (if that is possible. I had a friend tell me since the strain is "clone only", you won't ever get a male.

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Well. . .if you have a female plant that has made male flowers (ie "gone hermie") and self-fertilized, then no, any ceeds created from that fertilization should be "feminized" and you shouldn't see male plants.

If you want to get some male offspring, the way to do that is with a conventional cross of a male and female plant.

But the grand question is, are these seeds viable anyway?

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Impossible for me to know.

If they are mature ceeds and you haven't done anything "crazy" to them, they "should" be viable. Lots of ceeds produced by accidental self-pollenization aren't fertile, because the pollenization occurs too late in the flowering cycle for the resultant ceed to mature.

The only way to know if your ceeds are viable is to try and germinate them.

Are you asking if its WORTH trying to germinate them?

The answer is, that as S1 ceeds from a clone only line (in this case GSC) you should expect that the vast majority of the offspring will **NOT** be exactly like the clone only GSC parent. But they should have at least SOME traits from the original parent, if not necessarily EVERY one that makes the original clone only line so special.

I mean, sure, I know the general source of where these seeds came from but will they carry any desirable traits of the GSC into the plants I choose to cross it with?

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Sure. If you cross ANY two parents, the offspring will have traits of the parents. The problem is that they may not be the most DESIRABLE traits, and in some cases, crosses create new traits not seed in either parent.

If you have ceeds created from a self-cross you should expect to see a variety of phenotypes, most of which will have SOME traits of the original parent, some of which are totally different, and (if you're lucky) a few that are similar.

I have been told by several sources that feminized seeds WILL NOT clone.

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That's completely false.

I have cloned feminized plants (not ceeds!) many times myself, have seen others do it multiple times, and so far as I can tell there is NO difference whatsoever in clonability in these plants compared to regular ones.

Go ahead and clone if you want to.

So, that only makes me wonder, can they yield viable seed?

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There is NO REASON why crossing a reversed GSC clone with a feminized Hindu kush plant should NOT yield viable ceed.

Now, whether or not those ceeds are actually any good is a totally different question. They are likely to throw of a few different phenos, and I kind of suspect they won't be quite as good as either parent on its own, but you never know until you try it.

If I were to cross male pollen from a hypothetical GSC seed plant with a feminized Hindu Kush, would I be totally wasting my time or do I have the potentiality to create something awesome?

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See above.

Yes, its "possible" that you'll get lucky and end up with something amazing, its just probably not the most likely outcome. More likely, you'll end up with something "good", just not necessarily better than the highly acclaimed parents.