Very Low Yield..

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Trackr

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I just harvested one of the plants from my current yield and I got about 1/2 as much buds in weight compared to my last harvest.

I noticed that the buds were smaller, but I thought I was just seeing things..

I can keep the plants flowering for longer, but what can I do to make the buds bigger..?
 
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spek9

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How exactly are you gauging the proper time to harvest? Are you looking at the trichomes with a loupe/scope, or just guessing somehow?

-spek
 
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Trackr

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spek9 said:
How exactly are you gauging the proper time to harvest? Are you looking at the trichomes with a loupe/scope, or just guessing somehow?

-spek
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Yeah, I've got a x40 loupe and I'm just counting the weeks.

Last time, by week 7 my buds were much bigger. Now, I'm at week 7 and I have half the yield.

I harvested at 9 weeks last time, but I seriously doubt it's going to double in the final weeks because last time the only difference between weeks 6 - 9 were the trichomes, not the bud size.

EDIT:

More Info:

Temps - 25-30C in the daytime with the lights on. 20-25C at night with lights off.
Nutes - GHE Flora. I use all three - Grow, Flower and Micro as stated on their site.
Pot Size - 4.5 Gallon
Air - I have an AC that works every 15 minutes for 15 minutes and a carbon filter that fits the room size. There are also air holes from the ceiling which reaches up to the attic.
Strain - Seedsman's White Widow
Size before flowering - 20-24", I think. I wait until they're about half their final size, which happens to be 50-60".
Lights - 1000w HPS.
pH - I adjust the pH to 6.5.
Medium - Soil.

The ONLY thing different from the last grow is the nutrients. I used to use Bio-Bizz. So, I switched over to Bio-Bizz for a week and saw no difference..
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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GH Flora is run at pH 5.8. You're running a higher organic soil pH level.

You may also have salt buildup issues, dunno.

Pics?
 
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Trackr

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SnapsProvolone said:
GH Flora is run at pH 5.8. You're running a higher organic soil pH level.

You may also have salt buildup issues, dunno.

Pics?
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GH say this on their site: "Designed to work in Coir, Hydroponics, Soilless and Soil"

So, if it's designed for soil, it should also work with pH 6.5 which is for soil, no?

How do I know if I have salt build up?
 
I'mSimplyStoned

I'mSimplyStoned

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that is the issue. I have a plant in FF HF/OF. My hempy bucket seriously has buds 2x the size! same train. smae times. Clones from a mother. I PH my solution to 6.0 EVEN for my soil, because it contains organics and PH buffers I try to keep my runoff a lil less then 6.5. 6.2 has been my sweet spot for my ladies in that particular soil using GH.

It's easy to get salt buildups, and the only way to PREVENT them is to work up to a "full" dosage, and alternate your feedings with just plain old CLEAN PH'd water. By "full" dosage, I mean what they can handle. Soil contains nutrients most of the time. So going full strength with the nutes as prescribed, will more than likely lockout your plants. I water every other time with nutes. The rest of the time, plain distilled water, PH'd and I let quite a bit run out.


Now, with that being said... Some precautions. My soil and your soil are different. I amended mine with LOTS of CHUNKY perlite. I could run a hose on it for an hour and it drains right out. When I water with distilled plain water, I let an excess of 30- 50% water run out. AGAIN, if you do not have soil with plenty of aeration ammendments, I do not recommend putting so much through it. Dont want to water log your medium as you will suffocate yer ladies. I wish you luck buddy. Id hit it with some distilled water for a feeding or two.



Theres SO many ways to make that plant grow... Just gotta find what works for YOU.

8-)
 
Dr.D81

Dr.D81

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Do you get a good leach when you water? If not using cem ferts your soil will start building up unused salts. I use all organic and i dont have any run of in my flower cycle with no problems. I have used the same soil for two years by the way:-)
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Trackr said:
GH say this on their site: "Designed to work in Coir, Hydroponics, Soilless and Soil"

So, if it's designed for soil, it should also work with pH 6.5 which is for soil, no?

How do I know if I have salt build up?
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GH Flora is run at 5.8. Exception is coco at 6.1

Test your runoff ppm. If much higher than feed ppm, you have a buildup. Leaves will get extreme nute burn. Growth will otherwise be dark green and stunted.
 
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Trackr

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I'mSimplyStoned said:
that is the issue. I have a plant in FF HF/OF. My hempy bucket seriously has buds 2x the size! same train. smae times. Clones from a mother. I PH my solution to 6.0 EVEN for my soil, because it contains organics and PH buffers I try to keep my runoff a lil less then 6.5. 6.2 has been my sweet spot for my ladies in that particular soil using GH.

It's easy to get salt buildups, and the only way to PREVENT them is to work up to a "full" dosage, and alternate your feedings with just plain old CLEAN PH'd water. By "full" dosage, I mean what they can handle. Soil contains nutrients most of the time. So going full strength with the nutes as prescribed, will more than likely lockout your plants. I water every other time with nutes. The rest of the time, plain distilled water, PH'd and I let quite a bit run out.


Now, with that being said... Some precautions. My soil and your soil are different. I amended mine with LOTS of CHUNKY perlite. I could run a hose on it for an hour and it drains right out. When I water with distilled plain water, I let an excess of 30- 50% water run out. AGAIN, if you do not have soil with plenty of aeration ammendments, I do not recommend putting so much through it. Dont want to water log your medium as you will suffocate yer ladies. I wish you luck buddy. Id hit it with some distilled water for a feeding or two.



Theres SO many ways to make that plant grow... Just gotta find what works for YOU.

8-)
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You made some really good points.

I didn't consider that I should water without nutrients once in a while. I was just so scared that they're getting a lack of nutrients, that I didn't want to give them nothing.

I guess I should go for it and water them with just pH'd water next time.
 
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Trackr

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SnapsProvolone said:
GH Flora is run at 5.8. Exception is coco at 6.1

Test your runoff ppm. If much higher than feed ppm, you have a buildup. Leaves will get extreme nute burn. Growth will otherwise be dark green and stunted.
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Can I water soil with pH 5.8? Or am I supposed to go back to Bio-Bizz?
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Trackr said:
Can I water soil with pH 5.8? Or am I supposed to go back to Bio-Bizz?
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By feeding soil with GH Flora, you've pretty much given up on the soils organic nature and are just using it as a medium for your hydro nutrients. Water at 5.8 if using GH Flora unless in coco (6.1)
 
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Trackr

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SnapsProvolone said:
By feeding soil with GH Flora, you've pretty much given up on the soils organic nature and are just using it as a medium for your hydro nutrients. Water at 5.8 if using GH Flora unless in coco (6.1)
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So, I should stop using GH Flora and go back to Bio-Bizz?
 
I'mSimplyStoned

I'mSimplyStoned

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Is it the same strain? I am doing a plant now thats gonna be quite a few more weeks. shes blowing up now though!!! Just fer shits n giggles heres a view. week 4? These plants appear silvery because they glisten. its... amazing.


Going on week 5 flower. NO idea how long strain goes for; I have a LED lit 40x loupe I watch trichsDSCN0757.JPG DSCN0758.JPG DSCN0759.JPG DSCN0760.JPG
 
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Teltek

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Trackr said:
So, feeding at 5.8 instead of 6.5 would stop the issue with GH Flora nutrients going past the root zone?

At this point, I'm too scared to try it.. even though I have about a gallon of Flora left..
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Stop blaming the nutrients and educate yourself on the importance of pH and the differing needs of plants grown Hydroponically or in soil.

Anyone who suggests adjusting the pH of nutrients to 5.8 for a soil grow is truly throwing you a curve ball and showing their lack of knowledge of the importance of pH



Pmsl
 
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az2000

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I ran GH Flora 3-part with 60% Pro-Mix HP (soilless), 20% perlite, 20% soil. I ph'ed to 6.0 in veg, 6.3 in flower. Never alternated feed/water. I used the so-called "useless schedule" which is slightly stronger than the what most people do by cutting GH's feeding schedule in half. If you're doing full-strength 3-2-1 (1-2-3 in flower) that could be the problem. But, I would have thought you'd get nute burn, not just tepid growth. Maybe soil is different. In soilless I would get immediate nute burn if I approached full strength.

I'm with teltek that 5.8 doesn't sound right for soil. I'm not sure I'd use GL Flora 3-part in soil. I think of it as a hydro or soilless nutrient. In my case I had a hybrid of soil and soiless, thus I was ph'ing somewhere in-between.
 
Figong

Figong

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I highly disagree with the 5.8 for soil, unless you have a magical strain that requires no P, cal, or mag. You're free to do what you wish, but locking those 3 out isn't the brightest of ideas, at any point.
 
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EastCoastGenetics420

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id feed at 5.8-6.3. .. but honestly.. I am in the middle of a side by side.. got some plants stripped for defol.. almost all the big fan leaves over 2 weeks.. and as of right now.. the defol plants are deff going to yield a lot more then the nons.. so why is it that this is different for everybody??? maybe because its genetic. and environmental too..0
 
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