Vigorous sativas for a northern climate?

mandocat said:

I have a Salvisa cross that is doing very well against the septoria! This is the worst out break I have had in 7 years, despite multiple sprayings of sulfur and Cease. Most of the plants probably won't make. Will breed with the resistant plant and look at those seeds next summer.

Click to expand...

I agree, I sprayed regalia/cease/multi diff things mix and rotation and so many previous np plants got leaf spot hardcore . this is a worst leaf spot/septoria r I’ve ever experienced and I’ve been growing steadily for 15+ years outdoors . Few weeks ago I decided to go hardcore and I did high dosage of liquid copper , that def seem to help but since so much pressure and damage it’s too late . next year I’m gonnea make sure to in rotation outdoor use liquid copper and be more ocd about removing the obvious infected leafs , I tried super hard to remove all but by the time my square was cleaned up the newer/non infected woild re appear infection ….

it’s def pheno depending and it seems also fast blooming seem to be even more vulnerable to such. luckily now-end it won’t be as warm and leaf spot seems to slow down. It’s just the previous damage it def impacted whole results and for how nice and healthy everything to see majority of garden be inpacted is def depressing .

Free Freedom said:

Green Mountain Seeds
Purple Satellite (1979 Oaxacan gold purple IBL x Nepalese Sativa) finishes mid to late September
Highland Oaxacan Gold Finished Sept 31st to mid Oct.
Mountain Gold (Oaxacan Gold x Hawaiian Sativa) Sept 31st to Oct 15
.I have had good luck at 41N, and he is a New England Breeder

Click to expand...

I grew purple satellite outdoors in Minnesota, excellent outdoor strain. I also recommend fast n glorious from mandala seeds.

compassionateExotic said:

I agree, I sprayed regalia/cease/multi diff things mix and rotation and so many previous np plants got leaf spot hardcore . this is a worst leaf spot/septoria r I’ve ever experienced and I’ve been growing steadily for 15+ years outdoors . Few weeks ago I decided to go hardcore and I did high dosage of liquid copper , that def seem to help but since so much pressure and damage it’s too late . next year I’m gonnea make sure to in rotation outdoor use liquid copper and be more ocd about removing the obvious infected leafs , I tried super hard to remove all but by the time my square was cleaned up the newer/non infected woild re appear infection ….

it’s def pheno depending and it seems also fast blooming seem to be even more vulnerable to such. luckily now-end it won’t be as warm and leaf spot seems to slow down. It’s just the previous damage it def impacted whole results and for how nice and healthy everything to see majority of garden be inpacted is def depressing .

Click to expand...

For this season, as a biome/nutrient based approach to septoria and disease, I applied some sulfur to my soil, and have added a very small amount into my compost teas... I used the epsom blueberry soil acidifier...I bought like the 15$ bag and added 75% (about 6 cups) to about 30 yards of soil. The other 25% was used for the compost teas, for 9 big maine girls..... some myths are real.

MY soil is almost 100% leaf mold soil with generous eggshells from a local place and some lime with mg too. Leaf mold soils tend to have a ph right around 7 when properly hydrated.... so it has room ph wise for sulfur additives without pushing it too acidic. I strictly compost tea feed, brewing up some bug frass, guano, worm castings, sulfur, ash, lime, and a hint of molasses in a soil base with a mycorrhizas leachate from a aged white pine wood chip pile, aerated with a bubbler. ...., I add small amount of terp tea grow during veg.

Pretty much zero disease of any kind this summer... no spraying nothin'..... northeast, western maine....

Makes me wonder if supporting the soil biome makes the plants resilient and disease resistant? Kinda like humans and their gut biome? And what is wrong with america? antibiotics in the food killing gut bugs = chronic disease and psych issues..... kinda like septoria.

Sevenleaves said:

Even with the training, I am surprised that it stated flowering mid June. I have had plants flower in mid July, earliest for me. Good to here you will have at some early stuff.

Click to expand...

yes, I think it may be a strategy specifically with superwreck..... both plants I have finishing right now behaved the same.... they are S1's from some f6 arcata cuts from 2020.... so in some respects, it should express fairly predictably as f6 are super stable regarding consistency in expression.... looks like s1'ing the f6 arcata made it vulnerable to light and flowering in late may outdoor lighting, western maine.

So a strategy for superwreck is, get big superwreck plants going out, put them out early (may24/25 should do it in the northeast) to force flowering in june... harvest a 1-2 pounder in late august, with proper soil quality, volume and feeding. Avoids all the issues with september outdoors, and it's not an auto, nor even a fast flower with ruderalis in it.... it;s a straight photo s1 from pheno hunted f6's.

If I can get a pic up, you will see.... like 50+ badonks on each of those girls, just saggin now as they put it on.

outsidegrower said:

I grew purple satellite outdoors in Minnesota, excellent outdoor strain. I also recommend fast n glorious from mandala seeds.

Click to expand...

what's the flavor and terps with that satellite? Decent sativa effects? Make any hash or rosin with it?

keup.taylor said:

what's the flavor and terps with that satellite? Decent sativa effects? Make any hash or rosin with it?

Click to expand...

All had Cedar, lime and earth smell and taste except for one which was cherry. Excellent sativa high. Heady and mind warping paired with a floating sensation all while like your walking through a dream.

mandocat said:

I have a Salvisa cross that is doing very well against the septoria! This is the worst out break I have had in 7 years, despite multiple sprayings of sulfur and Cease. Most of the plants probably won't make. Will breed with the resistant plant and look at those seeds next summer.

Click to expand...

here's a pic of 1 of 2 superwrecks that started flowering in june, finished 9/8, planted outdoor NE on may27..... beyond the super is a unicorn poop s1..... both have zero disease of any sort.

keup.taylor said:

here's a pic of 1 of 2 superwrecks that started flowering in june, finished 9/8, planted outdoor NE on may27..... beyond the super is a unicorn poop s1..... both have zero disease of any sort. View attachment 5479572

Click to expand...

Looks killer!

mandocat said:

Looks killer!

Click to expand...

Here is my septoria resistant plant!

This super wreck strain is on my short list for next year along with another sour diesel of some sort. I am feeling like I need to get some sativa dom plants going again. Nice job spreading her out. Looks amazing hope for a strong finish

compassionateExotic said:

I agree, I sprayed regalia/cease/multi diff things mix and rotation and so many previous np plants got leaf spot hardcore . this is a worst leaf spot/septoria r I’ve ever experienced and I’ve been growing steadily for 15+ years outdoors . Few weeks ago I decided to go hardcore and I did high dosage of liquid copper , that def seem to help but since so much pressure and damage it’s too late . next year I’m gonnea make sure to in rotation outdoor use liquid copper and be more ocd about removing the obvious infected leafs , I tried super hard to remove all but by the time my square was cleaned up the newer/non infected woild re appear infection ….

it’s def pheno depending and it seems also fast blooming seem to be even more vulnerable to such. luckily now-end it won’t be as warm and leaf spot seems to slow down. It’s just the previous damage it def impacted whole results and for how nice and healthy everything to see majority of garden be inpacted is def depressing .

Click to expand...

I added blueberry acidify sulfur on all my soils in early spring, then added very small amounts to my compost teas this summer...I was also more consistent adding a very small amount of molasses to my teas, just a bit... I know the iron in molasses helps keep plants leaves green, and I think that's half the battle, keeping healthy leaves in inhospitable to pests and airborne fungi looking for a home.... although, careful with molasses, it is highly antimicrobial and overuse easily changes your soil biome negatively.........my soils are 3-4 yards of aged leaf mold soil per plant, just compost tea feeding on top. Leaf mold soils tend to be around 7 ph so I had some room adding sulfur. I work most of the inside leafage out. but the superwreck you see here, I just pulling a 6 top out to around 10 feet diameter, with one major inside larf out in july, then let her go.

DKTHC said:

Thanks for starting this thread and for the suggestions. It's helpful to see which sativas might do well in cooler climates with short seasons. Good luck with your grow!

Click to expand...

looks like the superwreck (it's an s1 from some pheno hunted f5's, so it appears) is vulnerable to early flowering, and this can be used as an advantage for getting an early harvest. This is very strain specific. I'd like to validate this observation with other growers. I have the 2020 arcata cut seeds for next summer, so I'm gonna do a may 27 plant on them and see. I may get some more superwreck seeds too and try this again, when nasc has some freebies and deals I like. Like I said, this plant and her sister looked like they were flowering in mid june from a may 27 planting, getting piney, sticky and smelly way before any photo I have ever seen. It never really went back to vegging but did get quite a bit bigger, as you can see. I started the girls on feb1 indoor, with 3 pot ups, a single top with 6 arms that were denoded out to like 10 nodes before they went out on may 27.... so not a huge starter plant, but no babies.

early harvest stuff from a week ago, and fast dried and pressed, was just ok yield wise, but boy, pleasant, smooth stuff. The plant you see here is 1 week before harvest here in 2 days..so like a 9/1 picture date.

mandocat said:

Here is my septoria resistant plant!
View attachment 5479600

Click to expand...

here that unicorn poop s1 you see in the background. all that stuff around the base is to keep the chickens out. I have a little fence for the superwreck I put up and down, and I need more of that fencing. This plant here is from Dirty Bird and is called Rainbow Unicorn, but it's an unicorn poop s1 to be specific. This is pic is from before I spread this girl out some more....getting some light and air in there and getting the wanker stuff out.... she's a cleaner, wider looking plant now heading in her final 4-5 weeks. Of all my plants, this one had a few septoria leaves in July on inside, low stuff, but pulled them and opened it up back then for better air and all is good since.