Was jesus real?

Miracle Smoke

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Then explain to me where the hell we came from?

This is going to go out of hand due to ignorance......

If you would look at nature you would
clearly understand that evolution is logical.

Specifically animals, why are there subspecies of felines, dogs, monkeys, fish and etc.

Just as there is different races of human beings.
 

boooky

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Then explain to me where the hell we came from?

This is going to go out of hand due to ignorance......

If you would look at nature you would
clearly understand that evolution is logical.

Specifically animals, why are there subspecies of felines, dogs, monkeys, fish and etc.

Just as there is different races of human beings.
Aliens made us....Breed us like cocker spaniels....WHY IS NOBODY LISCENING?!
 

email468

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please support your answer with evolution. i really would want to know because if im wrong about that or the big bang, than i would complain to a series of videos on that which i got my information on.
for evidence in favor of evolution: any biology 101 book and the science of biology, genetics, paleontology, zoology - if you prefer lighter reading - just about anything by Richard Dawkins (The Blind Watchmaker is a good place to start)

for evidence in favor of "big bang" theory: any astronomy 101 book or the science of astronomy, cosmology, NASA's site, or look into Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR).

Please note that evolution and the theory of natural selection addresses how species came into being - the theory only hints at how life began.

Also note that big bang theory addresses what happened immediately after the singularity - it does not address the cause of the singularity (that would be more like string theory).

So if you are looking for a "God of the gaps" - there is where he will exist. There is no testable, natural explanation (yet) for the origin of the big bang or the origin of life - so God can still live there.
Everything else does have a natural explanation (no god necessary) with lots of supporting evidence if you are willing to look for it.

If you prefer your information in DVD/video format (much easier to follow and understand than a book sometimes) then i can recommend:

Carl Sagan's Cosmos - it is dated but is a wealth of information and addresses some of the questions you have - and addresses some questions you may not have thought of.

The PBS Evolution series (based on Daniel Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea - a great book btw) - this series is very good and has one part entitled: What About God? you may find especially enlightening.

The Planets is another great documentary but not quite on par with the above.

It is important to understand that science does not have all the answers and will happily throw out an idea or theory if it doesn't work or does not stand up to rigorous experimentation. So far the incredibly unpopular theories of big bang cosmology and evolution through natural selection has withstood the test of time and more importantly experimentation. The evidence has not shaken these much maligned theories but has bolstered them.

All it takes is one piece of observational evidence that can not fit into the evolution/big bang picture with no possibility of a natural cause to force scientists to abandon those theories - so far no evidence has done that. And with each passing year, it becomes more and more unlikely that evidence will ever appear to cause evolution and big bang theory to be abandoned.
 

jimmyspaz

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Evolution seems to be moving rapidly from theory to fact as more evidence comes in,but that will not change the Yahoo's minds. We have to accept that some people seem to a need for the reassurance of an external Diety. Let them alone unless they bother you.
 

email468

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Evolution seems to be moving rapidly from theory to fact as more evidence comes in,but that will not change the Yahoo's minds. We have to accept that some people seem to a need for the reassurance of an external Diety. Let them alone unless they bother you.
yes and no. Newton's theory was around a lot longer than Darwin's when Einstein came along. Though contrary to some belief, Einstein did not "blow away" Newton - just added to it. As scientists or science cheerleaders, I think it is important to not become as dogmatic as others. We have to be ready, willing and able to change as evidence changes. Or like I tell my "believing" friends, if you want solid answers and "facts" you better stick with faith cause science does not provide that - science merely moves in the direction of the evidence. :mrgreen:
 

jimmyspaz

Well-Known Member
Well, email, I suppose ,that in my clumsy way, that's what I was saying, not that evolution was a fact, but, that evidence continues to cohere with theory.
Peace::peace:
 

email468

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Well, email, I suppose ,that in my clumsy way, that's what I was saying, not that evolution was a fact, but, that evidence continues to cohere with theory.
Peace::peace:
after i responded i kind of regretted saying it since i knew what you meant and agree - but since i feel like i am in somewhat "hostile" territory -- i like to be extra-careful.
 

mexiblunt

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Kinda off topic but just an observation on the evolution bit. E-mail you seem to have researched a bit on this and/have alot of good sources.
Do any of those talk about how if you look at it, evolution never gives something we need it always takes away something we don't. like the little hip or leg bones in some fish and snakes etc. This may be adaptation but ppl who loose one sense often become better or more aware of another. Like a blind person who somehow aquires better hearing to use a type of echo location to navigate.
 

Miracle Smoke

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Hey man, believe what you want, im not trying to change your outlook on life, unless
it is for the betterment of alot people.

Its just that this is a debate and there needs to be legitimacy thats all.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
Kinda off topic but just an observation on the evolution bit. E-mail you seem to have researched a bit on this and/have alot of good sources.
Do any of those talk about how if you look at it, evolution never gives something we need it always takes away something we don't. like the little hip or leg bones in some fish and snakes etc. This may be adaptation but ppl who loose one sense often become better or more aware of another. Like a blind person who somehow aquires better hearing to use a type of echo location to navigate.
I have far from significant understanding but here is what I think..

An individual adapting to surroundings, like a blind person's hearing becoming more acute, I think is far different than the long process that causes snake and whale rear legs to become atrophied through disuse - though both are adaptations.

Evolution works on what already exists so while a snake may be sacrificing its rear legs its slithering motion seems to work for it - plus it has those cool dislocating jaws and some even have venom! Some changes may seem like a sacrifice but maybe we just can't see the benefit.

If you are interested, I recommend you watch the PBS 4-disc series Evolution. It really taught me a lot and dispelled many wrong-headed notions I had about evolution even after doing quite a bit of reading on the subject.
 

SHOOT2KILL66

The Gardener
How come in 2000 years or so nothing else has evolved , Should there not be fish jumping from the sea to turn into humans every were like tadpoles to frogs how come were stopped Mybe the next evolution we will grow wings
 

email468

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How come in 2000 years or so nothing else has evolved , Should there not be fish jumping from the sea to turn into humans every were like tadpoles to frogs how come were stopped Mybe the next evolution we will grow wings
Do you really want to know or will no evidence change your mind?

If you really are interested - here is a great resource to answer your questions...
Understanding Evolution
 
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