WATERFARM SCROG!!!! ..first frightening waterfarm grow....Dr.Amber Frankenstien

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Hey amber u dnt need an airstone i havent used 1 till now and gats only as i used dwc last time and seen what that can do.

To add 1 all u need to do is drill a hole big enough for the air pipe an pop it in

i see . thanks use. everytime i look at your avitar i see a pumkin.

i agree that u dont really need one. i personally am running one because everyone else was doing it lol. but im fairly certain that as long your air pump is running its blowing bubbles down in the res its essentially an airstone. i dont think it takes all that much to keep the water oxygenated. my fish tank is oxygenated simply by water dripping out of the filter back into the tank and that dripping creates enough air to keep my fish alive so... plus scotty never had and his went fine plus gh dont provide u with one for the simple fact that it isnt necessary. in fact i think i remember early on in dayzt's journal him saying that hes doing a side by side one of his wf's has an airstone and one doesnt. i could be wrong my stoner memory can be a bit hazey at times so by all means people correct me if im wrong. but im fairly certain and both his girls look great so..

yes its a bit fuzzy but all coming back now. some do, some dont. i dont know what i will do. i have the extra open line on my pump so.. hell why not. them roots gett so thick at the bottom it might do a little good geting the water oxygenated a bit more down at the bottom dont you think? i hate to drill a hole in the bucket but fucket.

A think the airstone will be more helpful once the football of roots has formed in the res. It'l help to promote a healthier and stonger root system. My last grow was dwc and it had good results,so my thinking wth the 2 combined it can only lead to bettrr things lol

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

yes its a bit fuzzy but all coming back now. some do, some dont. i dont know what i will do. i have the extra open line on my pump so.. hell why not. them roots gett so thick at the bottom it might do a little good geting the water oxygenated a bit more down at the bottom dont you think? i hate to drill a hole in the bucket but fucket.

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i checked dayzt is doing a side by side comparison so maybe speak to him first that guy is like a fountain of knowledge... plus i think you will have a hard time setting up the airstone now that your wf is up and running

Doc You Don't Need An Airstone.Because Their's Not Any Noticable Growth With Or Without One.I Have Read That Don't Remeber If It Was In Dayzt Journal.But If You Really Want To Put One In You Can Run The Airhose Down The Drip Ring Tube(No Drilling).PEACE

No airstone in mine and it's not needed in my opinion based on the way the plants growing as for the extra output on your pump I'm running a T off both outlets on the pump into one line feeding the waterfarm and it pumps a heck of a lot better than with the single line you will notice as the water level drops the flow decreases significantly and the single line just wasn't cutting it as it was barely dripping.

i really like the sounds of ceejr's idea. pure simplicity plus i think you want to focus more on getting that top water (the water that sits right on the surface is what is picked up in the bubbles and carried up your tube) which is where most of the oxygen is in the water up top and coming down around your roots as this one feature is what sets the wf apart from other systems. without that it would just be a fancy dwc (although lets be honest thats exactly what it is)

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

WOW, im glad this was brought up. All i have running is the drip ring air pump. Should i have an airstone in the bottom bucket? and if so how do i get it in there?


thanks everyone for the great posts, pictures and input. i appreaciate them all.

DayZt, thanks for answering all my pending questions so clearly, that really helped.

BlueJeans, great idea about the pan under the bucket to keep the rez temp cool. I will be working on that.


I placed my airpump outside the tent, another great idea and suggestion.

take it easy, happy gardening and happy medicating.

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Amber, check out the thread here. http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?14996-Official-all-things-WATERFARM-thread! this is where i read about and was convinced that modifying the water farm was a good thing. ie adding the air stone to make it behave like a pure DWC. Do I know that it is an improvement? nope! This is my first hydro grow, but many think that it helps. Especially if you are not running the water ring all the time.

I'm running two pumps for the simple reason that when I was building my unit I had them both available. However during the last month I noticed that since I'm not using RO water and I have some salts in my natural water, there's some clogging in the ring and I have to unclog the holes every now and then. With the two pumps, I have the one for the airstone running 24/7 and the ring one running when the lights are on. For me it's kind of an insurance that things wont get screwed.

Bluezdude said:

I'm running two pumps ....

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Im running two pumps also. This gives you the ability to control each separately.

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

yes its a bit fuzzy but all coming back now. some do, some dont. i dont know what i will do. i have the extra open line on my pump so.. hell why not. them roots gett so thick at the bottom it might do a little good geting the water oxygenated a bit more down at the bottom dont you think? i hate to drill a hole in the bucket but fucket.

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Rather than drill a hole in the bucket of my DWC, I chipped out a bit of the lid, right at the edge so the lid sit on the pot with a little missing chunk on one edge where the tube to the airpump goes thru. Kept me from having to put a hole in my bucket. If that's confusing, I'll grab a pic this evening and show you what i mean.

GreenGiant49 said:

Amber, check out the thread here. http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?14996-Official-all-things-WATERFARM-thread! this is where i read about and was convinced that modifying the water farm was a good thing. ie adding the air stone to make it behave like a pure DWC. Do I know that it is an improvement? nope! This is my first hydro grow, but many think that it helps. Especially if you are not running the water ring all the time.

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I don't have a lot of experience (read none), but it seems that adding an airstone to the res won't hurt. If you're inclined to do so, do it! It might help it might not, but it sure won't hurt.

Bluejeans said:

Rather than drill a hole in the bucket of my DWC, I chipped out a bit of the lid, right at the edge so the lid sit on the pot with a little missing chunk on one edge where the tube to the airpump goes thru. Kept me from having to put a hole in my bucket. If that's confusing, I'll grab a pic this evening and show you what i mean.

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Hi Bluezy. Thanks , i would appreciate a photo very much. I didnt have the guts to drill a hole in my bucket. I could have put the tubing in the upper bucket and down into the lower through one of the holes before i placed the hydroton pebbles back in. Now its too late. so another alternative would be great. You do know how to read minds. wow.

GreenGiant49 said:

Amber, check out the thread here. http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?14996-Official-all-things-WATERFARM-thread! this is where i read about and was convinced that modifying the water farm was a good thing. ie adding the air stone to make it behave like a pure DWC. Do I know that it is an improvement? nope! This is my first hydro grow, but many think that it helps. Especially if you are not running the water ring all the time.

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awesome link! thanks gg49

The Dawg said:

Doc You Don't Need An Airstone.Because Their's Not Any Noticable Growth With Or Without One.I Have Read That Don't Remeber If It Was In Dayzt Journal.But If You Really Want To Put One In You Can Run The Airhose Down The Drip Ring Tube(No Drilling).PEACE

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cool didnt think of that!

CEEJR said:

No airstone in mine and it's not needed in my opinion based on the way the plants growing as for the extra output on your pump I'm running a T off both outlets on the pump into one line feeding the waterfarm and it pumps a heck of a lot better than with the single line you will notice as the water level drops the flow decreases significantly and the single line just wasn't cutting it as it was barely dripping.

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thats a very interesting solution CJ. never thought of that. I have a really good pump,. It seemst to be working very well right now. If i have issues though, this is an exellent solution. thanks

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

Hi Bluezy. Thanks , i would appreciate a photo very much. I didnt have the guts to drill a hole in my bucket. I could have put the tubing in the upper bucket and down into the lower through one of the holes before i placed the hydroton pebbles back in. Now its too late. so another alternative would be great.

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Necessity is the mother of invention...and I am invention's Grandmother

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

You do know how to read minds. wow.

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When my son was little, I always told him I could see him through my "back-eyes" (the ones in the back of every mother's head). He didn't believe me -- very literal kid -- so one time I was at the eye doc and had my son with me. I asked the doc if he would check my "back-eyes". He said "Of course! Turn around and read the chart!" So I turned around, and there on the back wall was a mirror. So I read the chart (backwards) that was on the opposite wall. My son was so busy watching to see if I read the chart correctly, that he never saw the mirror. I think he was warped for years after that...