We're close!!...to at least having state sovereignty
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cannabineer
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I doubt that's a viable option ... more a "blue sky" proposal from a Senator needing a tidbit to feed a reporter ... cn
WhiteSancho
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I hope it comes. Even if my state says 'no', I wish the best on the others!
I also think they should re-categorize marijuana as a plant- not a controlled substance. We didn't do anything nature didn't! How can you put it under the same header as meth and acid and all the others. ..that is I think if it grows naturally it should be a 'substance' that should be controlled[no children], but it should not be dubbed a 'controlled substance'.
I'm in my first grow and just the grow itself is so rewarding, peaceful, and fun... everyone should grow once.
And an oz is plenty to legalize- as long as its the limit an unlicensed grower can carry on them at any time... not store/grow
I also think they should re-categorize marijuana as a plant- not a controlled substance. We didn't do anything nature didn't! How can you put it under the same header as meth and acid and all the others. ..that is I think if it grows naturally it should be a 'substance' that should be controlled[no children], but it should not be dubbed a 'controlled substance'.
I'm in my first grow and just the grow itself is so rewarding, peaceful, and fun... everyone should grow once.
And an oz is plenty to legalize- as long as its the limit an unlicensed grower can carry on them at any time... not store/grow
canndo
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I hope it comes. Even if my state says 'no', I wish the best on the others!
I also think they should re-categorize marijuana as a plant- not a controlled substance. We didn't do anything nature didn't! How can you put it under the same header as meth and acid and all the others. ..that is I think if it grows naturally it should be a 'substance' that should be controlled[no children], but it should not be dubbed a 'controlled substance'.
I'm in my first grow and just the grow itself is so rewarding, peaceful, and fun... everyone should grow once.
And an oz is plenty to legalize- as long as its the limit an unlicensed grower can carry on them at any time... not store/grow
What is it about plants over man made substances that would have plants be "holy"? What is the difference? Why shouldn't it be "under the same header as meth and lsd"? LSD is made from fungus, hell, heroin is simply refined from a plant. I don't see why this artificial distinction "my plant should be ok, your powder should not".
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
LSD and heroin are both semisynthetic. cn
canndo
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But even if they were completely synthetic, what makes them less worthy? What is this santimonious stance pot growers have?
nontheist
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Yep my opinion is we should restructure our drug policy as a whole, all the money we're spending on the drug war should be reverted to drug prevention and rehabilitation. I have never understood the logic if sending drug abusers to prison.
desert dude
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Oh my God, slavery is right around the corner.
canndo
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Wait a minute, I thought you didn't believe in government intervention - why should the government put money it saved in intervention inito people's personal lives - into intervention in people's personal lives? Government should put the money it saves on the drug war and non-incarceration - to paying off the national debt.
nontheist
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Oh trying to take a swipe at me while making an ass of yourself, taking pointers from unclebuck? I am not an anarchist, drugs and addiction will still be a problem and other stupid examples you want debunked?
desert dude
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Paying off the national debt? What are you, a right wing extremist?
How about feeding the poor, especially poor women? How about free contraceptives for women? Cell phones and unlimited data plans for women, cause women really like to talk and they are, "women". How about one sinfully pretty pair of high heel pumps per month for WOMEN?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I was commenting on your bit of slight misinformation that heroin is "refined" from the poppy. Morphine (heroin's feedstock) meets that description. To arrive at heroin, a conversion needs to be performed.
As to the worthiness question, I don't see wisdom or beauty in banning any drug. It's the word "control" as in "controlled substance" or "gun control", where it becomes synonymous not with restriction but proscription. I don't see good in banning weed, LSD, ketamine, coke or heroin. That spans the range from full synthetics to direct botanicals. Jmo. (Shame I can't grow ketamine.) cn
canndo
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In all honesty Nonthiest, I don't see the point in diverting attention to drugs by armed prohibition, nor do I see the point in government indoctrination. If Nancy taught us just one thing its that "just say no" is the exact equivelent of "just say yo"
canndo
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When those things are disputed in heated rhetoric in our nation's capital, then I will urge that they be accomplished, until then I think it wise to concentrate on our national debt and perhaps helping those women find jobs.
canndo
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Canna my dear friend, You know that I am aware of the chemsitry of the various opiates. I would not have been so brief were we posting in that other place. Certainly we should ban fentanyl as it is completely synthetic - because, well, because it is synthetic. I hold that we should also ban rayon and nylon in favor of cotton and hemp and sysal, after all, if it comes out of the ground it must be clean and natural and good for us while that which mans has wrought is evil and baaad.
I have thought long and hard about the question of universal legality for all drugs. Most believe either that pot is the only drug that should be leglized for because of the mindset they have. I rarely encounter drug evangelists on the scale and level I do with pot evangelicals (no, not even the Acid fanatics). But the problem is always the same, when there is refinement of something natural, or the substance is divorced from ritual or cultural relevence it tends to cause problems. The thing is that if, oh, say opium were allowed to be used and grown in this society, someone would take the initiative and.... refine it, finally, yes they might even treat the result with acetic anhydride (if they could get their aquisition through DEA channels).
I've asked the question of hundreds - and with it I ask "well how about anabolic steroids", wherupon most of those who are in favor of releasing the ban on other illicit substances tend to balk.
Want some K seeds? I'll be glad to send some right over.
WhiteSancho
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I didn't say the plant was holy, it's still a plant!
But as far as a distinction between natural and the unnatural, there already is a distinction. It's in the prefix! 
As far as "I don't see why this artificial distinction" Are you asking me to change your mind? That's yours to sort out. I want what I want, because I want it. I don't have to account for you or anyone else. And you know the distinction between the people who think like me and the people who dont? The people who don't, don't.
Your hostile personality is fun, challenging people on anything and everything so everyone can better understand each other and themselves. It's nice. But I don't have to bite. If you're emotionally involved in any of this, good for you, but I'm not. My form of 'American Tolerance' is letting people make up their own damn minds about things. I don't have to change them, nor them me. We just need what to tolerate and stick to what we have in common- being people.
canndo
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I didn't say the plant was holy, it's still a plant!
As far as "I don't see why this artificial distinction" Are you asking me to change your mind? That's yours to sort out. I want what I want, because I want it. I don't have to account for you or anyone else. And you know the distinction between the people who think like me and the people who dont? The people who don't, don't.
Your hostile personality is fun, challenging people on anything and everything so everyone can better understand each other and themselves. It's nice. But I don't have to bite. If you're emotionally involved in any of this, good for you, but I'm not. My form of 'American Tolerance' is letting people make up their own damn minds about things. I don't have to change them, nor them me. We just need what to tolerate and stick to what we have in common- being people.
I simply have pet peeves about the understanding of natural and how that relates to moral distinctions of good and bad. Is a plant that spends its entire life under a 1000 watt lightbulb natural?