Wha do you guys add to R/O water?

Gregor Eisenhorn

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Hi all,

I'm seriously debating on whether or not I should get myself a R/O filter and eliminate the headaches caused by my 280ppm tap water.

I'm fighting a magnesium deficiency due to all the calcium in me water, but it's not going well... and I'm fed up.

I was wondering if I have everything covered, here's my list of stuff to buy;

-75 GPD reverse osmosis filter rated at 6 bars and filters around 3 gal in an hour (doesn't bother me, I have one 5gallon tub) (has two filters connected to the middle main one), that should bring my ppms to 10-20,
- I'm using the 3 part flora series, but I have hardwater micro, so I'll have to order micro for softwater,
-and of course some cal-mag supplement, I'm thinking from Sensi nutrients,

Is there something else I might add but missed on the list? I think I have the most important additives covered; cal, mag, a little bit of iron and the microelements from micro softwater.

Thanks for all your help, I'm itching to finally dial in my DWC setup.
 

vostok

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I'd leap to this, ....get it in

the only real hassle is ..come late veg or early flower

they will require additional top ups of cal mag / epsom salts

as the RO treatment rips out any goodness in the water

thats no biggy but stay sharp for the signs

good luck
 

Gregor Eisenhorn

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Thanks vostok, I'm sure it would really help me and my plants. I'm fine with that, that's what the cal/mags there for, I'll just do some snooping around and find out how much people around here use.
 

Gregor Eisenhorn

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I've read a lot of growers experiencing problems with their tap water, such as deficiencies, overall slow growth etc. and once they switched to R/O water and added all the necessery nutrients/additives, had no more problem whatsoever.

Sounds good to go, I'll be ordering it in a jiffy. I'll keep anyone who is interested updated on the situation.
 

Budley Doright

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I've read a lot of growers experiencing problems with their tap water, such as deficiencies, overall slow growth etc. and once they switched to R/O water and added all the necessery nutrients/additives, had no more problem whatsoever.

Sounds good to go, I'll be ordering it in a jiffy. I'll keep anyone who is interested updated on the situation.
Just a suggestion but read up on amino acid supplements to make calcium and other nuetrients available to your plants. I can't run a RO in my grow but since using the supplement I have had no blotching or mag issues.
 

since1991

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Hey resin....check out that youtube vid where Harley Smith goes into detail about what he found out with aminos and calcium (and iron) uptake in plants. Its pretty long but very interesting.
 

Craig1969SS

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guy on here advised me to add Epsom salt for the same and man those plants shaped up fast. Go with RO but don't be so fast to add cal mag supplements if your nutrients already have them
 

Budley Doright

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I am not promoting any supplements but they seem to help my grows a lot. Perhaps it has to do with water chemistry. I had an old timer like me suggest it on another site so I tried it. If it didn't work I would have dropped it as it can be kind of pricey. Again I'm no expert but if there is a cheaper thing that works I'm all ears lol.
 

Resinhound

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Hey resin....check out that youtube vid where Harley Smith goes into detail about what he found out with aminos and calcium (and iron) uptake in plants. Its pretty long but very interesting.
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Budley Doright

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Sounds kinda the same as what amino does lol. But probably cheaper :). I think the stuff I use has both and I'll look but just bought a gallon so enough for the rest of my indoor season :).
 

since1991

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Left turning glycine amino acids with fulvic acid.....natures ultimate shuttle bus for hard to absorb calcium and other minerals. Kelp extracts are loaded with aminos. Thats why kelp and fulvic is like peanut butter and jelly for plants. They pair up together real nice. Eddha chelates for wonky stubborn iron.
 

since1991

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Back to the original topic....even though calcium carbonate isnt in the most readily absorbable form i would add GH Calimagic to r.o. water that is near zero to about 150 ppm or 0.2 ec first and let this settle in for a half a day or so. This makes your r.o. buffer. Then add the feeds and what not. Or you can add back raw tap to hit target. Either or. But with Calimagic you know exactly what your adding. Tap doesnt necessarily contain cal and mag carbonates although it usuallly does.
 

Gregor Eisenhorn

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The problem with my tapwater is that it has a lot of calcium, up to the point were it completely locks out magnesium and other elements. That's why I though it would be better to get RO water and just add the cal mag inside, so it would be more or less balanced.

Flora series softwater contains some trace elements, since it's basically designed for RO water, so I wont add any cal/mag supplements until I see a deficiency, maybe I won't need to at the beggining.
 

D_Urbmon

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I have similar tapwater to yours OP. Slightly worse. 300+ ppm and pH 8+. So I use a r/o unit.


I only use 2 bottles. Flora Micro and Flora Bloom at 8m/14b in peat. and I add a little bit of epsom salt in flower. works like a charm.
 
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