What about lm301b and cree3590

Parazit92

Member
Hello
I want to build my own light. I need to cover 2x2meters.

I planned to connect 8pcs HInluxL09 3500K (full Spectrum) strips to 2pcs HLG-320 drivers (4pcs per driver)

The power is nearly 650Watts and I think that is okay for a lot of plants.

I want to build it like this. With only 8strips but I will upgrade when I get more money (I can connect 14/16strips (7/8per HLG-320drivers)

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do you all think about it?
Do you know about a good strip and cheaper than the HInluxL09?

I also had the idea of doing it with 6pcs of cree3590 but it will be too expensive.
 
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Rocket Soul

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Hello
I want to build my own light. I need to cover 2x2meters.

I planned to connect 8pcs HInluxL09 3500K (full Spectrum) strips to 2pcs HLG-320 drivers (4pcs per driver)

The power is nearly 700Watts and I think that is okay for a lot of plants.

I want to build it like this. With only 8strips but I will upgrade when I get more money (I can connect 14/16strips (7/8per HLG-320drivers)

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do you all think about it?
Do you know about a good strip and cheaper than the HInluxL09?

I also had the idea of doing it with 6pcs of cree3590 but it will be too expensive.
80w per strip? 4 feet? 80w is a looot for a 2 foot strip.
 

Parazit92

Member
80w per strip? 4 feet? 80w is a looot for a 2 foot strip.
How many watts you recomend me to cover 2x2 meters (12 plants)?

and If I only can get 8 strips rn (4 per drivers), which drivers are better and how many watts I must have?
 
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MedicinalMyA$$

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Hello
I want to build my own light. I need to cover 2x2meters.

I planned to connect 8pcs HInluxL09 3500K (full Spectrum) strips to 2pcs HLG-320 drivers (4pcs per driver)

The power is nearly 650Watts and I think that is okay for a lot of plants.

I want to build it like this. With only 8strips but I will upgrade when I get more money (I can connect 14/16strips (7/8per HLG-320drivers)

View attachment 4965845

do you all think about it?
Do you know about a good strip and cheaper than the HInluxL09?

I also had the idea of doing it with 6pcs of cree3590 but it will be too expensive.
8 x L09 will not cover a 2mx2m area nor will 2 x HLG 320 be enough power. Pretty sure they only come in 1 and 2ft sizes, your setup would be driven at max and require some serious cooling, driving up heatsink costs and lowering their lifetime and efficiency, and that's if you can find somewhere to buy L09 that doesn't require you buy 1000 of them.

Using the Samsung Engine Calculator, 8 strips and 1 HLG-320 would be a preferred embodiment and enough for a 1mx1m giving about 800PPF.

Threads like this are very useful for finding deals on strips and drivers. If you are patient you can nab some bargains, I built a wall-to-wall 1.2x1.2 light that got me an even spread of around 1000PPF at about 15" for roughly $100, drivers and all. It's not the most efficient, and the frame is made of garden stakes lol, but beggars can't be choosers, and y'know, $100.

Cheaper alternative for you I would suggest perhaps the Bridgelux EB2 series strips, they are good value for money at around $8 per 4ft strip, 12 strips will do a 1.2 x 1.2 area, 16 or more strips using a HLG-480 and heatsinks become optional.
 

Parazit92

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8 x L09 will not cover a 2mx2m area nor will 2 x HLG 320 be enough power. Pretty sure they only come in 1 and 2ft sizes, your setup would be driven at max and require some serious cooling, driving up heatsink costs and lowering their lifetime and efficiency, and that's if you can find somewhere to buy L09 that doesn't require you buy 1000 of them.

Using the Samsung Engine Calculator, 8 strips and 1 HLG-320 would be a preferred embodiment and enough for a 1mx1m giving about 800PPF.

Threads like this are very useful for finding deals on strips and drivers. If you are patient you can nab some bargains, I built a wall-to-wall 1.2x1.2 light that got me an even spread of around 1000PPF at about 15" for roughly $100, drivers and all. It's not the most efficient, and the frame is made of garden stakes lol, but beggars can't be choosers, and y'know, $100.

Cheaper alternative for you I would suggest perhaps the Bridgelux EB2 series strips, they are good value for money at around $8 per 4ft strip, 12 strips will do a 1.2 x 1.2 area, 16 or more strips using a HLG-480 and heatsinks become optional.
Thank you very much. You helped me a lot!! I only found one shop that sell these strips pcs by pcs but they are expensive.
So with 8 strips of them HInlux will be eficient only with 1 driver HLG-320 and so only can cover 1.20m2. But more expensive than the led strip you gave me.

Do you know the differences between HInluxL09 efficiency vs Bridgelux EB2 efficiency?

And if I use these Bridglux EB2, for a good full spectrum would you use the 3500k version or 4000k? I was thinking about doing the entire light with only one of them. Or mixing 3000K and 5000K?
 
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loco41

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Thank you very much. You helped me a lot!! I only found one shop that sell these strips pcs by pcs but they are expensive.
So with 8 strips of them HInlux will be eficient only with 1 driver HLG-320 and so only can cover 1.20m2. But more expensive than the led strip you gave me.

Do you know the differences between HInluxL09 efficiency vs Bridgelux EB2 efficiency?

And if I use these Bridglux EB2, for a good full spectrum would you use the 3500k version or 4000k? I was thinking about doing the entire light with one of them. Or mixing 3000K and 5000K?
I think you're on a better track following what @MedicinalMyA$$ suggested above very nicely. I have no experience using the bridgelux strips but purchased some a while back, just haven't got around to using/building yet.

Not sure what your budget is or where you are located but you could maybe do some kind of bridgelux eb gen3 two foot strip build. Arrow has a pretty good deal on some 320 watt 24v drivers right now that @ilovereggae pointed out in a different thread. You could even do two different spectrums, 90cri being an option too, on different drivers to have a little control over everything.

https://www.arrow.com/en/products/lne-24v320waaa/delta-electronics -- two drivers for $95

https://www.futureelectronics.com/p/Led-lighting-components--led-lighting--led-Modules--mid-power-led-modules--linear-mid-power-led-modules/bxeb-l0560z-40g2000-c-c3-bridgelux-6115970 -- twenty of these for $115

https://www.futureelectronics.com/p/Led-lighting-components--led-lighting--led-Modules--mid-power-led-modules--linear-mid-power-led-modules/bxeb-l0560z-27g2000-c-c3-bridgelux-4115970 -- twenty of these for $115

So would come out to roughly $325, have to add taxes and shipping on for more exact number. This would give you a pretty cool set up in my opinion. Wiring seems like it could get messy doing 40 strips in parallel but my wire management skills are non existent, so maybe you could work through it better. Also, with those drives being 24v, you won't be able to draw the full 320 watts the driver is capable of. The eb gen3 two footers only use roughly 20volts, so the driver will only put out +/- 270 watts total (20v x 13.4 amps). The positive side to those drivers, other than being pretty cheap, is that they would put the strips just under their nominal current of 700ma each (13.4 amps / 20 strips = .670ma per strip). That could maybe help out keeping the costs of framing/building down since the strips really wouldn't require any/much heatsinking. This will still be quite short of covering that whole area at only around 540 watts, you could double everything and probably come pretty close to covering the whole area or wait for another day after funds become more available.

Sorry I rambled on, hopefully it just gives you another option to weigh out. I by no means am an expert on anything, so please don't take anything I said above as a concrete build. Someone will hopefully correct anything that may be incorrect. Just my two cents on a nice pairing without breaking the bank. Good luck however you go though and I am sorry again if this is a jumbled mess.

edit: You could also just use some of these, https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/bridgelux/BXEB-TL-2750G-3000-A-13/7899252 just an older generation of diodes, but essentially the same concept I tried to describe above, just all on one strip already. They actually would fit the 24v drivers better as well.
 
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MedicinalMyA$$

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Thank you very much. You helped me a lot!! I only found one shop that sell these strips pcs by pcs but they are expensive.
So with 8 strips of them HInlux will be eficient only with 1 driver HLG-320 and so only can cover 1.20m2. But more expensive than the led strip you gave me.

Do you know the differences between HInluxL09 efficiency vs Bridgelux EB2 efficiency?

And if I use these Bridglux EB2, for a good full spectrum would you use the 3500k version or 4000k? I was thinking about doing the entire light with only one of them. Or mixing 3000K and 5000K?
At nominal Amps 3500K EB Gen 2 are 175 lm/w, and Gen3 are 185 lm/w but cost twice as much as Gen 2. H-Influx @3500K are 182 lm/w. The harder you drive your strips the more they lose efficiency and the more you need to cool them. LEDGardener says the EB2 are rated a lot lower than what they can actually handle. I have built several fixtures using them and if it wasn't for large sporadic price drops on different Samsung strips I would use them exclusively. Cheap is my middle name and bang for your buck they are hard to beat, especially if you don't have to bother with heatsinks. The H-Influx and Q-series LM301b strips are the most efficient Samsung strips but you need a lot of them and they are also the most expensive.

Depending on the size of your grow it might not be worth saving $1-200 in electricity over a year if the up front cost is doubled or tripled.

If using the EB2's maybe a 50/50 mix of 3000K and 4000K if using multiple drivers. 4000K only for veg, 3000K and 4000K both on for flower for a spectrum about 3500K. For single driver setup myself I would go with 3000K and a dimmer start to finish. Might get a bit more stretch depending on your plant but in my experience the end result was always better using 3000K whether or not I vegged with it as well. Personal preference though.
 

Parazit92

Member
I think you're on a better track following what @MedicinalMyA$$ suggested above very nicely. I have no experience using the bridgelux strips but purchased some a while back, just haven't got around to using/building yet.

Not sure what your budget is or where you are located but you could maybe do some kind of bridgelux eb gen3 two foot strip build. Arrow has a pretty good deal on some 320 watt 24v drivers right now that @ilovereggae pointed out in a different thread. You could even do two different spectrums, 90cri being an option too, on different drivers to have a little control over everything.

https://www.arrow.com/en/products/lne-24v320waaa/delta-electronics -- two drivers for $95

https://www.futureelectronics.com/p/Led-lighting-components--led-lighting--led-Modules--mid-power-led-modules--linear-mid-power-led-modules/bxeb-l0560z-40g2000-c-c3-bridgelux-6115970 -- twenty of these for $115

https://www.futureelectronics.com/p/Led-lighting-components--led-lighting--led-Modules--mid-power-led-modules--linear-mid-power-led-modules/bxeb-l0560z-27g2000-c-c3-bridgelux-4115970 -- twenty of these for $115

So would come out to roughly $325, have to add taxes and shipping on for more exact number. This would give you a pretty cool set up in my opinion. Wiring seems like it could get messy doing 40 strips in parallel but my wire management skills are non existent, so maybe you could work through it better. Also, with those drives being 24v, you won't be able to draw the full 320 watts the driver is capable of. The eb gen3 two footers only use roughly 20volts, so the driver will only put out +/- 270 watts total (20v x 13.4 amps). The positive side to those drivers, other than being pretty cheap, is that they would put the strips just under their nominal current of 700ma each (13.4 amps / 20 strips = .670ma per strip). That could maybe help out keeping the costs of framing/building down since the strips really wouldn't require any/much heatsinking. This will still be quite short of covering that whole area at only around 540 watts, you could double everything and probably come pretty close to covering the whole area or wait for another day after funds become more available.

Sorry I rambled on, hopefully it just gives you another option to weigh out. I by no means am an expert on anything, so please don't take anything I said above as a concrete build. Someone will hopefully correct anything that may be incorrect. Just my two cents on a nice pairing without breaking the bank. Good luck however you go though and I am sorry again if this is a jumbled mess.

edit: You could also just use some of these, https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/bridgelux/BXEB-TL-2750G-3000-A-13/7899252 just an older generation of diodes, but essentially the same concept I tried to describe above, just all on one strip already. They actually would fit the 24v drivers better as well.
Thank very much Loco!
I am french but i’m in Spain rn.
I am going to try to arm one panel and layer another one to double
 

Parazit92

Member
Aux ampères nominaux, 3500K EB Gen 2 sont 175 lm/w, et Gen3 sont 185 lm/w, mais coûtent deux fois plus cher que Gen 2. L'afflux H @3500K est de 182 lm/p. Plus vous conduisez vos bandes plus elles perdent en efficacité et plus vous avez besoin de les refroidir. LEDGardener dit que les EB2 sont évalués beaucoup plus bas que ce qu'ils peuvent réellement gérer. J'ai construit plusieurs appareils en les utilisant et si ce n'était de grandes baisses de prix sporadiques sur différentes bandes Samsung, je les utiliserais exclusivement. Cheap est mon deuxième prénom et je veux de l'argent, ils sont difficiles à battre, surtout si vous n'avez pas à vous soucier des dissipateurs thermiques. Les bandes H-Influx et Q-series LM301b sont les bandes Samsung les plus efficaces, mais vous en avez besoin de beaucoup et elles sont également les plus chères.

Selon la taille de votre culture, il se peut qu'il ne vaudrait pas la peine d'économiser de 1 à 200 $ en électricité sur un an si le coût initial est doublé ou triplé.

Si vous utilisez les EB2, peut-être un mélange 50/50 de 3000K et 4000K si vous utilisez plusieurs pilotes. 4000K uniquement pour les légumes, 3000K et 4000K tous deux allumés pour les fleurs pour un spectre d'environ 3500K. Pour la configuration d'un seul pilote moi-même, j'irais avec 3000K et un variateur de début à fin. Pourrait devenir un peu plus extensible en fonction de votre plante, mais d'après mon expérience, le résultat final a toujours été meilleur en utilisant 3000K, que j'aie ou non veggé avec lui aussi. Préférence personnelle cependant.
All right, I think I anderstood !
So If I setup 12 strips (BXEB-L1120Z-30E4000-C-B3 in particular) with 1pcs HLG-320, each strips would be working at 26,6Watts (to get 320Watt total)

Is it correct? And is it efficient for a 1.2x1.2m?

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If needed, I setup again the same installation to double my cover area. I saw that 320Watt is enough to cover 1.2x1.2m.
 

MidnightSun72

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All right, I think I anderstood !
So If I setup 12 strips (BXEB-L1120Z-30E4000-C-B3 in particular) with 1pcs HLG-320, each strips would be working at 26,6Watts (to get 320Watt total)

Is it correct? And is it efficient for a 1.2x1.2m?

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If needed, I setup again the same installation to double my cover area. I saw that 320Watt is enough to cover 1.2x1.2m.
For 1.2x1.2m (16sqft) you need around 600W. This gives 37w/sqft which is sufficient for that area. 30-50W/sqft is the general recommendation but of course this depends on how efficient the LEDs are.
 

Parazit92

Member
For 1.2x1.2m (16sqft) you need around 600W. This gives 37w/sqft which is sufficient for that area. 30-50W/sqft is the general recommendation but of course this depends on how efficient the LEDs are.
Ahh ok so I would need 24 strips setup with 2pcs HLG-320 (to get 640w) for covering 1.2x1.2m? Thanks a lot for all the information!
 

Parazit92

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Where in Spain? I have some gen3 blux with flowering spectrum that I might wanna get rid off.
I am in Puerto De la Cruz (TENERIFE) right now. How much do you have and how many you want for them??

Are they efficient like theseBXEB-L1120Z-30E4000-C-B3 strips? What is the différence between em?
 

Rocket Soul

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Ahh ok so I would need 24 strips setup with 2pcs HLG-320 (to get 640w) for covering 1.2x1.2m? Thanks a lot for all the information!
It depends on how you're growing. For autos which receive at least 50% more light from longer hours then you can go with less light, 320 for 1.2x1.2 is enough. 480 w is usually enough for 12/12 flower of same space. 2x320 for those who want to push the limits.

I have the slim blux strips, don't think they will fit your heatsinks.
 

Parazit92

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The BXEB-L1120Z-30E4000-C-B3 (3000K) is very hard to find right now.. so I have 2 options:
BXEB-L1120Z-35E4000-C-B3 (in 3500K)
Or
BXEB-L0560Z-30E2000-C-B3 (in 3000K)

Which one do you all recommend me and why?

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MidnightSun72

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The BXEB-L1120Z-30E4000-C-B3 (3000K) is very hard to find right now.. so I have 2 options:
BXEB-L1120Z-35E4000-C-B3 (in 3500K)
Or
BXEB-L0560Z-30E2000-C-B3 (in 3000K)

Which one do you all recommend me and why?

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560z-30e. More red, shorter strip doesn't feel like such a flexible piece of shit, you will appreciate this when working with them. I find the shorter strips have less curl to them too so they don't try peel themselves off the thermal tape. The only downside is if you are using screws to hold your strips on then you will use a few more screws.

The bridgelux strips (C3) Rocket Soul is offering have a touch better photon efficacy than the B3 strips. And I believe they are half the width of the B3. So maybe you can jam 2 in the place of 1 strip on the heat sinks. At the very least you can go 1 for 1 if they are the same length to fit your heatsink. .
 

Parazit92

Member
560z-30e. More red, shorter strip doesn't feel like such a flexible piece of shit, you will appreciate this when working with them. I find the shorter strips have less curl to them too so they don't try peel themselves off the thermal tape. The only downside is if you are using screws to hold your strips on then you will use a few more screws.

The bridgelux strips (C3) Rocket Soul is offering have a touch better photon efficacy than the B3 strips. And I believe they are half the width of the B3. So maybe you can jam 2 in the place of 1 strip on the heat sinks. At the very least you can go 1 for 1 if they are the same length to fit your heatsink. .
To resume:

My setup plan is : 12pcs BXEB-L0560Z-35E2000-C-B3 (3500K) (560mm x 24mm) per HLG-320 driver
OR 6pcs of 3000K + 6pcs of 5000K per HLG-320 driver

What do you all recommend me between using only 3500K or mixing 3000K and 5000K?

EDIT: ANOTHER ONE QUESTION

Each strip is 39V but the driver is a HLG-320-48 (48V). How does this work?
 

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