What am i doing wrong

warble

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Can't we all, just keep our hurt expectations to ourselves? Anger is not a necessity. If we're all growing, then we have at least one desire in common. We can focus on that desire, or we can goof on each others' personalities. I'm not about everyone spreading the love. I've been on the internet too long, to hope for that. I'm just asking that we just minimize spreading the hate.
 

DreNAllie2013

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Can't we all, just keep our hurt expectations to ourselves? Anger is not a necessity. If we're all growing, then we have at least one desire in common. We can focus on that desire, or we can goof on each others' personalities. I'm not about everyone spreading the love. I've been on the internet too long, to hope for that. I'm just asking that we just minimize spreading the hate.
Good luck with that. I just wanted advice and got rudeness

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Kush Knight

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Don't panic dude too many growers panic about the slightest thing like the problem you have let them continue to grow ,make sure that you let the seedlings dry out before re watering,it does them good to dry out don't over water.
OP's been told that 3 times already.....


what soil is that it could be a few things... over watering or the medium is too hot.. just keep an eye on it and let the soil completely dry out before watering again. if new growth is normal and green your good to go
They don't look bad to me. I'd say let them be and don't water too much. It's easy to over water when they are in large pots to start. That's why I always start in peat pellets or plugs. Then when the roots start to show through I put them in solo cups. Then their final pot. Some may think I am taking way too many steps, but I am prone to over watering. They will be fine. No nutrients either at this point.
Its likely they need a lot more light intensity. Autos should grow abnormally quick, and at 28 days an auto should be 5-8 nodes further. Are they outside in 8-15 hrs DIRECT sunlight? Or inside? If so, what actual wattage and type light have they been under and how far away are the lights? What is the spectrum? Have you been allowing the soil to dry fully, then fully soaking it on watering days? Are you controlling the climate in the grow area? Elevation is not as important, but rh, air-temp, root-zone temp and moisture, light period, and amount of fresh airflow should all be within the cannabis's optimal ranges. Proper pH is 100% required. And if you don't know those, (I assume not because you didn't know what "Hot" soil was), LOOK IT UP. Heres a link to where all answers are indexed, www.google.com. Works a million times better than asking ask.com.

OP says

No answers coming from anyone on here though.
But when a slightly agitated someone practically repeats most of the GOOD advice in this thread alone, the gist of OPs reply is all about how OP doesn't want the advice anyways, and is easily confused by advice on the web.


I'm being slightly rude because you are doing a number of things wrong/highly-ineffectually, op. rob333 was willing to give at least basic grow knowledge, and instead you get butthurt because he said
what u are doing wrong is u keep fucking around with them cannabis isent good for any1 that has a ocd lol just leave them alone and they will thicken up
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and u are growing with cfl's of course they are gunna have small lanky stems and be growing slow
In both cases, he is 100% correct, and is not insulting you at all. CFL's have less PAR, intensity, and penetration power than you are likely aiming for. Airy buds, with less trich density and anything not within 4" is at a disadvantage, resulting in many "popcorn fluff buds." Hence, Inferior product.


Besides that, there are 6 stickies in the plant problems area, and they are good reads.
The one I'll make a point with,
https://www.rollitup.org/t/read-this-first.18948/ tells you how to get some help more efficiently. And those are just basics you SHOULD have listed in op, not waited for someone to ask, "What medium?"



It's people like you that deter normal humans from taking so called advice...I've read and re read many different things inn the subject. There is so much"advice" on this that goes in different directions,i get confused.... Thanks for the info and your input,but no thanks. I'm not sure you giving advice is real or Are you telling me things to make my grow messed up because you have issues. Thanks again...smh
And as for discerning what information is actually true, that is exactly what the brain is used for. But since common sense is fading in this day and age, I guess I have to give a basic guide to learning irl by yourself since the invention of the internet.

You use the public library for serious learning. And its free.
You use the forums for really tricky problems, hypothetical grows, bragging rights, and for finding reputable links coupled with slightly opinionated interpretations of these links. Everyone grows different, so this is an actively debating site.
You use google to learn practically everything else. I started originally by googling things like optimal climate,day 1-X vids, checking different wattage cfl grows, 100w hps grows, etc. Anything I didn't fully grasp was opened in another tab the second I saw the word.
Then I experimented with bagseed, which answered some questions, but made more surge into existence.

If you can't nitpick info, then stick to someone elses grow(guide), and keep a friend you can trust that won't steal or call the cops.

Again, I can not see anything in your pics. Besides how slow they are compared to this basic grow



Not-spam, Not overly aggressive, Wall of truth text. Hope this explains why you "haven't found an answer" in 5 pages of replies. And I hope I convinced otherwise anyone good hearted enough to consider helping you past this point. The "problem" was invisible almost 20 days ago, and still isn't visible now. All this leads me to believe you won't even crack the surface of the potential of those babies.



Can't we all, just keep our hurt expectations to ourselves? Anger is not a necessity. If we're all growing, then we have at least one desire in common. We can focus on that desire, or we can goof on each others' personalities. I'm not about everyone spreading the love. I've been on the internet too long, to hope for that. I'm just asking that we just minimize spreading the hate.
I'm all with you, I love helping people grow. Just not people who are all mouth and no ears. Patience is a virtue, necessary for growing. And OP lacks it. Sorry if what I've posted is abrasive or rather unpleasant, It's not intended to be like that, mostly. I'm just annoyed with OP, and these forums in general right now. Almost no intelligence on RIU anymore, and the people who are really trying to learn are harder to find now. Everyone seems to think of growing beautiful weed as a get-rich-quick scheme, instead of as a life-long hobby or practical application of 4th grade plant science.
 
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grasscropper

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Thanks. What does that mean though? Hot soil

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Hot soil means too much fertilizer or in the case of the bat guano, too much nitrogen. When using too much fertilizer or feeding too much, it's what causing the burn. If we think about a our skin sitting in say a "dirty diaper" when we were babies... our skin gets burned or diaper rash from it. Literally HOT. These little seedings are delicate and just can't take it. Hence we don't feed until they have say 3 nodes and the colydons have gone. As for the spindly stems.. mine all look like that in the beginning. You can put them closer to the light and they don't stretch and look for it. Or let them go and they will toughen up with age and while they may have a longer base stem, they will certfainly thicken up. Hope this helps.
 

cotton_mouth

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This is helping me out too on my first grow, hope you all don't mind if I jump in on this.....

I made a mistake and gave my seedlings some nutes, not much just 1/4 strength but they are only a week old. That was last Thursday. So far they look ok, ecxept for one its a little yellow. So in the next watering I won't feed.

I started my first grow using the freebies that nirvanna sent me. I had ordered 5 northern lights but decided to give the freebies a shot first, didn't want to mess up the good seeds ;-) Who knows though, maybe they will turn out some good bud!
 

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DreNAllie2013

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This is helping me out too on my first grow, hope you all don't mind if I jump in on this.....

I made a mistake and gave my seedlings some nutes, not much just 1/4 strength but they are only a week old. That was last Thursday. So far they look ok, ecxept for one its a little yellow. So in the next watering I won't feed.

I started my first grow using the freebies that nirvanna sent me. I had ordered 5 northern lights but decided to give the freebies a shot first, didn't want to mess up the good seeds ;-) Who knows though, maybe they will turn out some good bud!
What are the free ones? Auto or photo? Male or female? What kind of nutes do you plan on using?

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cotton_mouth

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Good question, they didn't have any kind of description with'm. They could be anything, could be all males......i'm pretty curious.
 

Kush Knight

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This is helping me out too on my first grow, hope you all don't mind if I jump in on this.....

I made a mistake and gave my seedlings some nutes, not much just 1/4 strength but they are only a week old. That was last Thursday. So far they look ok, ecxept for one its a little yellow. So in the next watering I won't feed.

I started my first grow using the freebies that nirvanna sent me. I had ordered 5 northern lights but decided to give the freebies a shot first, didn't want to mess up the good seeds ;-) Who knows though, maybe they will turn out some good bud!
Those look fried lol. Early nutes will do that. What did you feed (n-p-k Guaranteed analysis is most helpful to me)? You seem to be getting some N and P problems..... I am a little rough around the edges when it comes to deficiencies by visual so I could be wrong, but it really doesn't matter anyways, as long as they got a heavy watering/half-assed flush. P & K can stay in media a long, whereas nitrates and sulphates leech rather easily.

So I guess I should mention the "read this first thread that" asks you to post (minimal IMO) info.

"To get an accurate diagnosis of your plant we need as much information as possible.

1) PICTURE OF PLANT *** VERY IMPORTANT ***
2) Growing indoor or outdoors
3) Watering schedule
4) Growing Medium
5) What stage of growth

The more information you put in here the better diagnosis you will get."

My preference is
1. Pic. Used for visual examination, usually tells if indoor or outdoor and outdoor light conditions, and should be obvious in stage of growth.
2. Medium Composition. Determines a lot of factors in end solution.
3. N-P-K of nutes(w/ brand name if wanted), pH, and wattage+spectrum of lights if indoors.
4. Feeding/Watering schedule
5. Rh, temp and any other environmental factors
6. Strain if known, and exact age of plant.


So my input for your babies
If you flushed, then I'd say the new problem would be pH and/or watering schedule issue. just give regular pH'ed water on watering days till ~day 21. Then feed at 1/8-1/4 strength every other watering, increasing if needed. And foliar feed.
If you haven't flushed, I'd have ran ~3-5 gallons pH'ed filtered water through each pot slowly the day after I noticed problems. If about that much water has gone through already tho, its not necessary.

Its hard to help in a case like this because with seedlings, theres just not that much to examine anyways. only one spot to check new growth, and all leaves get obliterated because there aren't many leaves for it to redistribute the nute burn to. They SHOULD grow into FINE women one day tho bud.
 
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cotton_mouth

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Ok Kush, heres some more info........

1. indoor grow
2. Watering when needed, i.e. when medium is dry and the pot feels lighter than a pot with moisture in it.
3. Coco coir and perlite at a 1:3 mix
4. they have been in coir for 10 days, meaning the seeds had germinated and the cotyledon leaves were just popping up, i noted them there after. Maybe i should say that i put three seeds in jiffy peat pellets and two seeds in wet paper towels, i wanted to see what the difference is. Just experimenting. This whole grow thing is an experiment for me i know i'm making a lot of mistakes but i think i'll learn the ropes. I'm not in it to make money, in fact if it urns out at all i wouldn't sell a gram of it, its all mine! i live in an area where its illegal so this is just for my own personal stash. :-)

back to you're questions KK.

N-P-K , 5-4-3, the nutes i'm using are canna coco a+b. maybe later i'll try the canna pk13/14.

temp is around 23-26°C RH is between 35 & 55 % i know is probably too low but i'm not sure how to raise it up. RH here in my area is around 60-70% at the moment.

Strain is unknown.......the seeds were freebies from nirvana seeds.

I did the flush with ph'd water. Thats a lot of water! :-)

Thanks for the tips KK!
 

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daemon kronic

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Haven't read that link but its very close to my info...(have grow bibles by mark emery and george cervantes..not sure if ive spelt the names right but either way)
 

Kush Knight

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Ok Kush, heres some more info........

1. indoor grow
2. Watering when needed, i.e. when medium is dry and the pot feels lighter than a pot with moisture in it.
3. Coco coir and perlite at a 1:3 mix
4. they have been in coir for 10 days, meaning the seeds had germinated and the cotyledon leaves were just popping up, i noted them there after. Maybe i should say that i put three seeds in jiffy peat pellets and two seeds in wet paper towels, i wanted to see what the difference is. Just experimenting. This whole grow thing is an experiment for me i know i'm making a lot of mistakes but i think i'll learn the ropes. I'm not in it to make money, in fact if it urns out at all i wouldn't sell a gram of it, its all mine! i live in an area where its illegal so this is just for my own personal stash. :-)

back to you're questions KK.

N-P-K , 5-4-3, the nutes i'm using are canna coco a+b. maybe later i'll try the canna pk13/14.

temp is around 23-26°C RH is between 35 & 55 % i know is probably too low but i'm not sure how to raise it up. RH here in my area is around 60-70% at the moment.

Strain is unknown.......the seeds were freebies from nirvana seeds.

I did the flush with ph'd water. Thats a lot of water! :-)

Thanks for the tips KK!
Things should start to grow out now, those are some pretty nice numbers.
The flush should be fine, but if the plants look hungry in a few days and it seems too early for feeding, I can help there too.
Just go to a bait shop, buy some worms, grind a few up and dress the soil up or tea them, then water. It should be roughly 8-2-2 or 10-2-2. This will quickly make nitrogen available, especially if strained tea is foliar fed. And worms and worm castings can't kill the plant in recommended doses.

Nutes seem okay, just don't veg longer than a month and a half.
I wouldn't necessarily add PK 13/14 before the 3rd week of budding, and I wouldn't really want it after the 5-6 week. I like thinking of P as necessary for roots and other things, and as a bloom stimulator. K i think of as less important for continued processes, but without this, the buds are less than fluff, so I like to call it the bud chunker. In a soilless/hydro the p and k is slightly higher than necessary for soil. P and K can take a while to leech so over feeding on those is worse than any N problem

Nutes are less important than I thought originally, after having to feed a plant 30-15-15 for veg and 15-30-15 for the whole flower under t5 with 65F days and 20% rh. Even with severe P burn, coupled with mg def, fe def, and zn def, The plant still grew much nicer than I could have guessed. Its just slow going when most things aren't perfect. I only had at most ~1" of stretch a night, meaning I ended up with some squat plants. Nice producer though the buds were slightly airy and had 2 different main deformities. That K is so important though! Don't buy 30-15-15 (optimal for ~2w late veg, just pre flowering time) or 15-30-15(optimal for ~1.5w around the first week of budding) btw.

That link I had mentions the optimal n-p-k for high female to male ratios, also.

Post pics in another 2-3 days for some follow up. Sorry If i'm not much help right now.
 
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