what are drug sniffing dogs actually looking for???

gioua

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....im not talking about pot seeds...?...im talking about budder or pure thc.


my point was missed apparently, If dogs can smell a pot seed (which has NO thc in it and no smell to us) a fog can smell a pot seed therefore if you make ANYTHING from pot....... they will smell it.

btw Mythbuster just did a show about dogs and their ability to smell... they used some common scents to distract or scare or even mask the smell
the results
wolf urine= a pause in the dogs reaction to the musk of a wolf then it proceeds as normal
female dog in heat urine = complete and total lack of anything else but sniffing this pee (but if you cover it in pee to mask the smell the dog will hit even harder on it_)
coffee =failure
cologne and bathing= harder hit then normal water seems to SOAK up smells
 

fonzirelli

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ok....once and for all...the most important question regarding this whole God Damned issue...DOES PURE THC HAVE AN ODOR? if not, then budder will be almost undetectable.
 

fonzirelli

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my point was missed apparently, If dogs can smell a pot seed (which has NO thc in it and no smell to us) a fog can smell a pot seed therefore if you make ANYTHING from pot....... they will smell it.
wow, really??...i dont even know what to say. i mean, im talkin about whether or not a dog can smell thc, and youre talkin about how seeds have no thc...i guess it is obvious i did miss your point. so what the hell is your point? im talking about THC, not a seed that has NO THC...
 

fonzirelli

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I don't think there is a definitive answer on exactly what the dog is indicating, simply because cannabis probably has a wide variety of odors the dog smells that we can not.

Leaf material, stems, buds, resin, all may have unique aromas that are beyond our capability to detect, but may be easy for the dog. So a concentrate may still be recognizable as a part of the whole, and would warrant an indication by the dog. The goal of the trainer is to create an association between the scent item, and the reward. However, while that scent item is just ONE scent to us, ie cannabis, the dog is more than likely creating a multitude of scent associations because they can probably smell a bunch of different scent properties cannabis has that we are not aware of.

Dogs are smart, and they're also greedy in that they will go with the "close enough" option to get the reward, if they are allowed to. So while a concentrate may not carry all of the aromas, in the dogs mind, it's probably "close enough" because it is a part of the whole it was rewarded for in the past.

I imagine it would be similar to us if we were told to "find the car". We see the car, no problem, there it is. However, if you only see a wheel, we would assume that there is a car attached to it somewhere and look harder, or we'd try to get the reward for at least finding a part of the car.

In the end, it's always easier to defeat the handler than it is the dog, as the human is the weak link in that particular team, for tracking or scent work.
very good....although you are just restating everything i already know, and are not answering my question. at least youre on the right track tho. some of these other people, i think are a little too burnt out for a topic like this....
 

zer0ed

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dont you soak weed in butter to make "Budder" ?
and then filter the plant material out?

If so then i would think that the "Budder" would deffinately have a weed smell that dogs can hit on.

Think of it like this.

If you soak tea leaves in warm water. does the water retain the smell and taste of the tea leaves? of course! so what makes you think that you are not carrying the weed smell over?

the smell comes from the plant's "Terpenes" which is the oils and stuff that the plants releases. and that is what gives plants their distinctive smell.

When u wash or dissolve the THC off the plant. im sure you are also washing off these "Terpenes" off the plant too. Exactly how are you filtering out these turpenes?

I think a dog will find anything that YOU could make from weed.

I think if u were trying to get away with it. you should make cookies or some other pastery with them.
Maybe a dog would smell it, maybe it wont. But hopefully the handler will just think the dog wants your food. and i think i heard they are more lenient with edibles.

Terpenes (
/ˈtɜrpiːn/ tur-peen) are a large and diverse class of organic compounds, produced by a variety of plants, particularly conifers,[SUP][1][/SUP]though also by some insects such as termites or swallowtail butterflies, which emit terpenes from their osmeterium. They are often strong smelling and thus may have had a protective function.

They are the major components of resin, and of turpentine produced from resin. The name "terpene" is derived from the word "turpentine". In addition to their roles as end-products in many organisms, terpenes are major biosynthetic building blocks within nearly every living creature.Steroids, for example, are derivatives of the triterpene squalene.
When terpenes are modified chemically, such as by oxidation or rearrangement of the carbon skeleton, the resulting compounds are generally referred to as terpenoids. Some authors will use the term terpene to include all terpenoids. Terpenoids are also known asisoprenoids.
Terpenes and terpenoids are the primary constituents of the essential oils of many types of plants and flowers. Essential oils are used widely as natural flavor additives for food, as fragrances in perfumery, and in traditional and alternative medicines such as aromatherapy. Synthetic variations and derivatives of natural terpenes and terpenoids also greatly expand the variety of aromas used in perfumery and flavors used in food additives. Vitamin A is an example of a terpene.
Terpenes are released by trees more actively in warmer weather, acting as a natural form of cloud seeding. The clouds reflect sunlight, allowing the forest to regulate its temperature.[SUP][2][/SUP]
The aroma and flavor of hops, highly desirable in some beers, comes from terpenes. Of the terpenes in hops myrcene, b-pinene, b-caryophyllene, and a-humulene are found in the largest quantities.[SUP][3][/SUP]

Basicly. by making "budder" you are making Weed Perfume. And the dogs will hone in on it quickly.
 

gioua

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wow, really??...i dont even know what to say. i mean, im talkin about whether or not a dog can smell thc, and youre talkin about how seeds have no thc...i guess it is obvious i did miss your point. so what the hell is your point? im talking about THC, not a seed that has NO THC...
point was......... if a dog can smell a pot seed..... which has NO THC in it...... you can bet the dog can smell thc or POT SMELL in butter.

even the purest hash using the best and purest extraction styles thc will be about =75-85% and it still smells

dogs are not just hitting on THC they will hit on anything resembling thc or por odor even the smallest amount of trace smells on seeds...
 

fonzirelli

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LOL...no...BUDDER....the purest hash in the world is still not in the realm of buDDer....and it has absolutely nothing to do with dairy products...
 

fonzirelli

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im sorry but some of you people need to do a little more research before throwin your two cents in. it just makes you look like a complete idiot.
 

fonzirelli

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for example, if you think kief is pure thc...stay the hell out of this thread and go do some homework.
 

gioua

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for example, if you think kief is pure thc...stay the hell out of this thread and go do some homework.


Dogs have about 25 times more olfactory (smell) receptors than humans. These receptors occur in special sniffing cells deep in a dog’s snout and are what allow a dog to “out-smell” humans. Dogs can sense odors at concentrations nearly 100 million times lower than humans can. Here’s a comparison to help you appreciate the vast difference in olfactory ability between humans and dogs: if all the sensory epithelia (skin tissue) in the average dog’s nose were laid out flat, it would cover an area of about 450 square feet, and contained within this nasal tissue are more than 200 million scent receptors, some 15 million of which have infrared capability. That means a dog can literally smell heat! If a human’s scent sensitive skin tissues were laid out flat, it would only cover about two square feet and contain less than five million scent receptors, none of which exhibit infrared capability. Also, in the brain of the average dog, more than 12 percent of the cerebral tissue is devoted to processing olfactory information. In humans, less than one percent of the brain is devoted to the same. Tests have proven dogs can detect one drop of liquid in a fifty-five gallon barrel of water, and some tests suggest dogs can even smell cancer cells.
 

zer0ed

Active Member
Oh, your talking about BHO (butane honey oil)

You still haven't answered how exactly you remove the smelly oils from the BHO after you collect it.. . . . that's right, you don't.

Maybe you should just accept the fact that dogs are going to smell your shit. and quit the denial.
 

zer0ed

Active Member
budder is more refined than bho. so no im not talking about bho.

and ive said it before, and i guess ill have to say it again, i know how dogs smell, i know how it works...

and this is how you remove the 'smelly oils'
http://www.totse2.com/totse/en/drugs/marijuana/cnb2thc.html
I read it.

and i've done alcohol extractions before similar to that one. (magic mushroom extraction)
Which results in pure crystal, after you evaporate whats left.

And trust me. It will still have a distinct smell.
And dogs May detect it.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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and btw, i am more than familiar with how dogs smell. which is partly why i am questioning this in the first place. if the thc is like the carrots, how do you know the dog isnt learning to look for the smell of the 'onion' in the 'stew'?
if you know how they smell then you should know that there are a number of chemicals in any given substance that trigger respsones in the nose of a dog . . . .its chemicals triggering a trained response . . .

maybe your question should be what are the specific chemicals a dog is trained to "hit"/ recognizes when smelling pot . . . .and id just have to assume all . . . .does a gin and tonic smell like a vodka cran .. . .nope different coctale of smells and flavors
 

fonzirelli

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if you know how they smell then you should know that there are a number of chemicals in any given substance that trigger respsones in the nose of a dog . . . .its chemicals triggering a trained response . . .

maybe your question should be what are the specific chemicals a dog is trained to "hit"/ recognizes when smelling pot . . . .and id just have to assume all . . . .does a gin and tonic smell like a vodka cran .. . .nope different coctale of smells and flavors
........that IS the question......what did you think i was asking????
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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Ok, here is the deal, you look at a bowl of stew, you see carrots, meat, gravy, peas etc with your eyes you see each piece. A dog smells like you see. That is why they can smell through just about anything. When they train them they start out by rubbing a ball in weed. That smell pretty much stays there for as long as you or I could ever smell it but the dogs can. You can not beat the dogs dont try. They win everytime.
I disagree with this statement.Surely as the eyes can be fooled,so can your nose.The senses are not foolproof,even a Dogs.My point and example,I use to move 10 lbs shipments of good Purp through UPS,they were constantly using the dogs to sniff out drugs in the UPS warehouses in my area.The guy I was dealing with would seal package it in a nonporous plastic bag that was vacuum packed.Then after that another bag to keep it from getting wet or damp,Then another bag using it to submerge the package into bag of liquid chlorine and another substance i cant remember the name to,then a final plastic wrapped bag for containment,then it is boxed.The dogs cant smell past the chlorine/bleach mixture.I have done this many times and it works.If they start training the dogs to look for bleach mixture in suspected shipments then that would be a prob.But they have to bust someone using this tactic in my area first which is lees than likey.I never underestimate an animals senses though,thats why such measures have to be used if youre going to get pass them,but nothing is 100% flawless,so there is always a possibility in something going bad with this.It is an inherent risk nonetheless.
 
The dogs cant smell THC. Its another chemical they are smelling but I cant remember what its called. Ill prob remember when Im nowhere near my computer :)
 
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