What do you consider day 1 of flowering ?

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spek9

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Kassiopeija said:
Intriguing... how do you keep the male apart from the females + prevent the pollen spreads everywhere when opening the tent...?
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When the male plants reach the point that they are about to start dropping pollen, I put them into a 2.5x7' closet in a spare bedroom on the top floor of my house that has a couple of hanging 23W CFLs on a 12/12 timer. I do all of my pollination work in that spare bedroom. All of my pollination is manual, surgical with a fine artist paint brush. I do not let pollination occur naturally.

The "breeding/experiments" tents I spoke of are used for both males and females, until the males are about to drop. The females, after pollination get returned to this environment. If cross pollination happens in this tent by a little pollen being blown around, that's a sacrifice I can accept here, but I'm unwilling to accept that in my production flower tent.

As far as financing, from time-to-time I get a friend or known grower who doesn't have the space ask me to do a specific run of something, or perform tests of some sort on a strain that they own. They'll pay me for the electric costs, materials and some of my time up front, and I'll light up my third environment in cases like this.
 
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AntToeKnee

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Budzbuddha said:
Ok ... before the torches and pitchforks come out from some growers ... i look at it this way.
Regular seed grow

Stages :
Germ / Sprout
Early Veg
Late veg
Sex out ( usually around week 5-7 ) and FIRST Pistils show ..... HERE you can either keep vegging
Or Flip

If you “ flipped “ 12/12 .....
Transition stage for about 10-14 days ( average )
Stretch / Budset stage .... plant is SETTING UP FOR FLOWER.

AFTER STRETCH ... when plant has stopped or slowed in final stretch .... Plant is officially now concentrating on blooming. Therefore it is now “ flowering “ .

Remember plants do not follow a calendar or counting. Trying to pin a harvest date is a moot point since plant finishes when it finishes and according to the environment ( your grow ) . Your own setup dictates your result and it will different among other growers and their setups. Breeder harvest windows are ONLY ESTIMATES. Harvest is always “ better “ past the estimates. Breeders can claim those magical harvest windows because they ran them under the most optimal conditions to judge their strain. Think about it. Strains are so genetically diluted , how in the fuck are we gonna even know what its supposed to do. Many seed slingers ( breeders ) pollen chuck S1 / F1 to sell to you. Some good breeders will further REFINE THE STRAIN LINE to F3 / F5 with incredible and consistent performance. Thats why you basically run them as long as they need .... plants will tell you when maturity peaks . That comes with experience.
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yeah i just discussed this with someone else too. Im using bag seed and i want to opt out the males and i was told they will either grow hairs or pods during veg and i can then kill off the males and continue vegging the females until i feel like budding.
 
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athlete

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A simple flip does not immediately turn the plant into flowering stage. Most people keep veg nutes at least a week after flipping. It takes time for the plant to shift gears.

Mark when you flipped and when you started to see buds forming (which is when you should start feeding bloom nutes).

The flowering weeks given by breeders is not precise.
 
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rf25532

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I'm very curious about the answer to this question and here's why:

I've got 3 feminized White Widow's in a tent. They each started from seeds that came from the same packet ordered from the same place. I flipped to 12/12 and two of them started sprouting pistils by the end of the first week while the third one was barely making any progress in that direction. It seemed like it was still in veg mode for all intents and purposes. By the beginning of the third week, those first two had nice little flowers all over them while that third one was only just starting to increase in its pistil-growing activity. At this point, it looks way behind those first two, though it's now moving into a more aggressive flowering mode. I've just chalked it up to pheno differences at this point.

So my question is, is it likely that third one will ripen and be ready by the time the first two will, or should I expect it to be two weeks behind?

Logistically, this is a critical question for me because the only place I have to dry the harvest is the same tent they're growing in. It's kind of important to me that they are all ready at the same time. If not, I'll have to let the first two mature past the ideal point or harvest the third one early, neither of which is ideal.
 
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Thundercat

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rf25532 said:
I'm very curious about the answer to this question and here's why:

I've got 3 feminized White Widow's in a tent. They each started from seeds that came from the same packet ordered from the same place. I flipped to 12/12 and two of them started sprouting pistils by the end of the first week while the third one was barely making any progress in that direction. It seemed like it was still in veg mode for all intents and purposes. By the beginning of the third week, those first two had nice little flowers all over them while that third one was only just starting to increase in its pistil-growing activity. At this point, it looks way behind those first two, though it's now moving into a more aggressive flowering mode. I've just chalked it up to pheno differences at this point.

So my question is, is it likely that third one will ripen and be ready by the time the first two will, or should I expect it to be two weeks behind?

Logistically, this is a critical question for me because the only place I have to dry the harvest is the same tent they're growing in. It's kind of important to me that they are all ready at the same time. If not, I'll have to let the first two mature past the ideal point or harvest the third one early, neither of which is ideal.
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Its very likely a phenotype difference like you suspect. Which means its gonna be on its own time frame. I would count on all of them going longer then the breeder claims as well.
 
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rf25532

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Thanks for the info. Interestingly, it has made some great use of the time. They've all been through a decent stretch after the flip (just finished week 3 since flipping), but this late bloomer has stretched way more than any of them. It will be interesting to see how the end result compares between these different phenos.
 
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Luckyluciano744

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Blaze 77 said:
Just curious ,

Iv always counted day 1 of flowering as the same day I flip to 12/12

Normally I see sex about 2 weeks in , but I have some bag seed in with some Blue Mystics that are just now showing pistols at week 3 and this got me wondering if flowering weeks start when you flip or after they show sex ?
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I start counting after, I can see the first signs of flowers. I have noticed that doing this way matches closely to expect flowering time given by the breeder.
 
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Thundercat

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rf25532 said:
Thanks for the info. Interestingly, it has made some great use of the time. They've all been through a decent stretch after the flip (just finished week 3 since flipping), but this late bloomer has stretched way more than any of them. It will be interesting to see how the end result compares between these different phenos.
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Yep no problem at all. I had a white widow pheno years ago that was more on the static’s side. It stretched just the right amount and then filled up with big fat colas. It usually needed about 10-11 weeks of flowering time (after flowers started to form). I had to be careful of mold usually around 9 weeks. I didn’t have humidity control on that grow and the buds would get big and thick.
 
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rf25532

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Thundercat said:
Yep no problem at all. I had a white widow pheno years ago that was more on the static’s side. It stretched just the right amount and then filled up with big fat colas. It usually needed about 10-11 weeks of flowering time (after flowers started to form). I had to be careful of mold usually around 9 weeks. I didn’t have humidity control on that grow and the buds would get big and thick.
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Nice! I can't wait to see how these go. Right now, I'm looking at mid-late Jan at best before any harvest. The three White Widows each seem a little different in characteristics and density so far. I've also got one Super Silver Haze and one Gold Leaf (ILGM) in there, so I'll have a little variety to play with. Now that they're all flowering, I've got less to do (other than another round of light defoliation in about a week or so), so all I can do is look and wait and salivate. (:
 
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