What I’m doing now!

jondamon · May 6, 2020

I’m anticipating either next feed or the feed after I will be adding the canes and the net support and switch to 12/12.

I’m hopeful that most of the small netting for each plant will almost fill out during stretch and if it doesn’t, then I’ll know for next time if I try this again.

tomorrow I will most likely cut my canes down so that they are smaller, allowing me to keep my canopy lower in height.

and I’ll test fit the canes and Place each net on to see if they need any further alterations.

I’ll show again tomorrow night.

peace! bongsmilie

KK26 · May 6, 2020

Arnski5000 said:
Cool trick with the straws

Very useful and have used it with leggy young ones.

Works perfectly. I thought is was a UK thing..... It probably is.

Sharing is caring and in this world we need much more...... Sincerity from the heart however small.

jondamon · May 7, 2020

Here’s some pics.

I’ve trimmed my canes and cut my nets down to 4x4 squares rather than 5x5 squares and I’ve fitted everything into place.

This is how it will now stay.

2 more feeds Friday and Sunday. Then on Tuesday I will feed and adjust my timers for 12/12.

then the fun begins seeing how this net support is going to work lol.

jondamon · May 9, 2020

I moved the nets down further last night.

tonight I will be feeding and I will begin tucking what I can back under the screen if it needs it.

coreywebster · May 9, 2020

This method is exactly what I was trying to explain to someone a few days ago who was wanting to scrog but still be able to move plants when needed.
Nice pictorial as usual Jondamon...

Gardenator · May 9, 2020

jondamon said:
I moved the nets down further last night.

tonight I will be feeding and I will begin tucking what I can back under the screen if it needs it.
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Those nets look awesome... i see its also a custom design, very cool trellis idea

jondamon · May 9, 2020

Gardenator said:
Those nets look awesome... i see its also a custom design, very cool trellis idea

Yeah kind of.

The trellis started as maybe 1.5”X1.5” squares which I have cut to make twice the size.

the curve is not intentional. It’s because of how it has been rolled into its packaging. But because it’s made of plastic it’s holding that curve.

the main purpose of this net is for canopy control.
But I plan to control the canopy by weaving like you would a scrog.

jondamon · May 9, 2020

coreywebster said:
This method is exactly what I was trying to explain to someone a few days ago who was wanting to scrog but still be able to move plants when needed.
Nice pictorial as usual Jondamon...

Cheers Corey tbh I have literally no idea how well or badly this idea is going to work.

the theory behind it is sound.

I understand scrogging, and love the fact I have the ability to remove plants on a one on one basis.

glad you like the pics. Like I mentioned early on it does good when more time served growers offer up some pictorials etc for others to see how you roll lol.

jondamon · May 9, 2020

Also tonight I will show you what early stage Ca def looks like and what I do to correct it.

2 of the 4 have the start of Ca def. eleven roses and a critical+.

I will post pics of each plant and tell you how I’ll be correcting it.

it only involves adding some Canna Mono Ca up in my mix from 0.2-0.4.

So my source water will be 0.2. My mono Ca will be 0.4. Making my starting source 0.6.

then I will add my normal amount of nute base but this time I will make sure it finishes at 1.2 rather than 1.0 like it was before.

I will continue this mix for at least 2 feeds.

Gardenator · May 9, 2020

jondamon said:
Yeah kind of.

The trellis started as maybe 1.5”X1.5” squares which I have cut to make twice the size.

the curve is not intentional. It’s because of how it has been rolled into its packaging. But because it’s made of plastic it’s holding that curve.

the main purpose of this net is for canopy control.
But I plan to control the canopy by weaving like you would a scrog.

Yeah i like the mobility, one of the biggest issues i have with SCROG in the first place, i got around this by making loops out of zip ties at the top rim of my pots and tie all my tops back to train but i can move all my pots around individually... i think your idea is even a step further i like it and i think it will work good, if you have any issues could try a more rigid material like a metal wire trellis manufactured in a similar style... it reminds me of those outreagously priced individual 5gal bucket trellis set ups but much more of that diy price and style... props

jondamon · May 9, 2020

Gardenator said:
Yeah i like the mobility, one of the biggest issues i have with SCROG in the first place, i got around this by making loops out of zip ties at the top rim of my pots and tie all my tops back to train but i can move all my pots around individually... i think your idea is even a step further i like it and i think it will work good, if you have any issues could try a more rigid material like a metal wire trellis manufactured in a similar style... it reminds me of those outreagously priced individual 5gal bucket trellis set ups but much more of that diy price and style... props

Well then I thank you for your props lol.

At least there will be plenty of updates.

if I hadnt made the trellis net bigger in size it was actually pretty rigid lol.

but by making the holes larger I have in fact made it less rigid. Lol.

but as long as it holds in place, and allows me to weave then it will have served its purpose.

Gardenator · May 9, 2020

jondamon said:
Well then I thank you for your props lol.

At least there will be plenty of updates.

if I hadnt made the trellis net bigger in size it was actually pretty rigid lol.

but by making the holes larger I have in fact made it less rigid. Lol.

but as long as it holds in place, and allows me to weave then it will have served its purpose.

I would much rather use a plastic material thats waterproof and wont degrade in anyway into my ladies... i havent been able to find anything yet but this gave me some ideas... ill be watching the thread cant wait

jondamon · May 9, 2020

Gardenator said:
I would much rather use a plastic material thats waterproof and wont degrade in anyway into my ladies... i havent been able to find anything yet but this gave me some ideas... ill be watching the thread cant wait

This is the kind of stuff I bought. I picked it up about 5 years ago in a local garden store.

I’ve only now got around to trying it out lol.

but you can see because of how it is rolled you inevitably end up with that curve.

if it was doable maybe next time I can curve all the perimeter edges upwards more to create a more curved outside and flatter inside section.

something like this.

very crude I know as I’ve just finger painted it on my phone lol. But you get the idea. Rather than the full curve from the centre. Off set it as you would a stadium style grow!??

jondamon · May 9, 2020

jondamon said:
This is the kind of stuff I bought. I picked it up about 5 years ago in a local garden store.
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I’ve only now got around to trying it out lol.

but you can see because of how it is rolled you inevitably end up with that curve.

if it was doable maybe next time I can curve all the perimeter edges upwards more to create a more curved outside and flatter inside section.

something like this.

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very crude I know as I’ve just finger painted it on my phone lol. But you get the idea. Rather than the full curve from the centre. Off set it as you would a stadium style grow!??

as I said though this is just another possible idea for this trellis style of grow.

You may be thinking that I’ll be holding off flowering due to early onsite Ca def.

But no I won’t be. As I know my fix works as I do this every grow that I have lol.

it depends how quickly the coco begins to hold on to Ca and give back K as to when you will see the Ca def signs.

all plants will be receiving the same feed with the elevated levels of Ca.

IME extra Ca given to plants that don’t display any Ca def symptoms isn’t a problem either as they love Extra Ca especially in coco just make sure you don’t elevate the levels too far.

quick fix one application of Mono Ca at 1.2EC.

Longer solution is increase Ca levels by 0.2EC compared to what you were feeding extra Ca at.

so for example if you were adding no extra Ca then increase Ca levels by 0.2 for 2-4 feedings.

I prefer the longer approach as you can decide after application whether you want to do the same again for 2-4 feeds.

and at this rate you’ve really got no issue of an over abundance of Ca.

jondamon · May 9, 2020

Ok folks here we go.

as you can see the slight sight of discoloured leaf areas along with progression to yellowish dots then to more rusty red spots.

this is literally one leaf each on 2 different plants as you can see from the overhead the plants are luscious and green And almost at the nets.

source water 0.2EC
Mono Ca 0.4EC
Base A/B 0.8EC
Total feeding EC 1.4 pH 6.2ish ( I don’t stress too much about pH being absolutely correct as long as I’m between 5.5-6.5 I’m not overly worried.

Gardenator · May 10, 2020

jondamon said:
as I said though this is just another possible idea for this trellis style of grow.

You may be thinking that I’ll be holding off flowering due to early onsite Ca def.

But no I won’t be. As I know my fix works as I do this every grow that I have lol.

it depends how quickly the coco begins to hold on to Ca and give back K as to when you will see the Ca def signs.

all plants will be receiving the same feed with the elevated levels of Ca.

IME extra Ca given to plants that don’t display any Ca def symptoms isn’t a problem either as they love Extra Ca especially in coco just make sure you don’t elevate the levels too far.

quick fix one application of Mono Ca at 1.2EC.

Longer solution is increase Ca levels by 0.2EC compared to what you were feeding extra Ca at.

so for example if you were adding no extra Ca then increase Ca levels by 0.2 for 2-4 feedings.

I prefer the longer approach as you can decide after application whether you want to do the same again for 2-4 feeds.

and at this rate you’ve really got no issue of an over abundance of Ca.

So you make small increases over time to avoid over doing it and allowing the plant to acclimate into the final dose? How often do you feed your coco? I have never used it as a medium before i have heard it can be a bit of a learning curve as far as feeding goes as well... its also cool that the deficiency fix wont effect ur other plants, but im assuming that you taylor your nutes to what each individual plant is expressing accordingly or do you just follow this application method when adjusting the nutrients and keep it the same for every plant? Im interested only because i usually use the flood n drain method for hydro and generally all plants in the flood tray will express the same defficiencies because they eat the same and generally it will be a single strain so adjusting the nutrients to fix an issue is always for the lot, i havent had the opportunity to taylor specifically to one plant without it being the same for the rest until i got into soil and i only feed my plants water and plant em in super soil so there is no adjustments in the plain un pH'd tap water i use.

jondamon · May 10, 2020

Gardenator said:
So you make small increases over time to avoid over doing it and allowing the plant to acclimate into the final dose? How often do you feed your coco? I have never used it as a medium before i have heard it can be a bit of a learning curve as far as feeding goes as well... its also cool that the deficiency fix wont effect ur other plants, but im assuming that you taylor your nutes to what each individual plant is expressing accordingly or do you just follow this application method when adjusting the nutrients and keep it the same for every plant? Im interested only because i usually use the flood n drain method for hydro and generally all plants in the flood tray will express the same defficiencies because they eat the same and generally it will be a single strain so adjusting the nutrients to fix an issue is always for the lot, i havent had the opportunity to taylor specifically to one plant without it being the same for the rest until i got into soil and i only feed my plants water and plant em in super soil so there is no adjustments in the plain un pH'd tap water i use.

Coco is fed every time you water!

I have 3 different strains here and 4 plants total.

yes I feed all plants the same “fix” solution.

coco has a tendancy due to its nature to hold on to Ca and release back K to the plant.

This is one of the reasons you see people tell you to buffer coco, even the pre Buffered coco. I don’t Preco buffer.

over time growing in coco (10 years) I’ve found That increasing Ca levels if you have soft water is essential.

my nutrients consist of the following.

DUTCH PRO HYDRO COCO GROW A/B
Canna mono Ca
Canna mono Mg
Epsom Salts for S and Mg

I’ve found by using this small amount of nutrients my plants thrive.

I use the following as my baseline guide.

Seed - plain tap 0.2EC
Early veg - 0.6EC
mid veg - 0.8-1.0
Late veg - 1.0-1.2
Stretch - 1.2-1.4
Mid flower 1.2-1.4
Late flower 1.2-0.8 lowering in final weeks.

Nutty sKunK · May 10, 2020

Looking good dude! I miss those little green ladies

Too hot to grow inside through summer here

jondamon · May 10, 2020

Nutty sKunK said:
Looking good dude! I miss those little green ladies

Too hot to grow inside through summer here

Some people struggle in the U.K. with external temps because they don’t design their exhaust system correctly to cope with elevated levels of heat.

even when it’s 28C outside during flowering in my room, I can keep my grow between 24-26C without any AC.

I can design large or small grows regardless of lights used to work within the UK where AC isn’t really needed.

due to times lights are on, over spec’ing fan and filter and reducing ductwork bends etc.

thanks man.

Nutty sKunK · May 10, 2020

jondamon said:
Some people struggle in the U.K. with external temps because they don’t design their exhaust system correctly to cope with elevated levels of heat.

even when it’s 28C outside during flowering in my room, I can keep my grow between 24-26C without any AC.

I can design large or small grows regardless of lights used to work within the UK where AC isn’t really needed.

due to times lights are on, over spec’ing fan and filter and reducing ductwork bends etc.

thanks man.

And our homes mostly don’t have AC which doesn’t help.

My issue is that I’ve got 2 floors and the grow room is on the top floor. Being an old Georgian house we’ve got lots of tall ceiling rooms all going into a low ceiling room upstairs and it gets baking when the sun beats down.

I’ve got an intake from outside into the room. Then it goes from tent into the loft - loft is airy as shit so don’t have to worry about damp issues.

Still reaches mid twenties Celsius but I can then grow a few beans outside.

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