What is better. Regular or female seeds?

haulinbass

haulinbass

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I prefer regular seeds, im pretty wary on fem seeds as i have had six diffrent strains from six diffrent banks all have shown some hermie traits when stressed(usually a light bounce, high heat or allot of topping) when the clones from my mothers from regular seeds didnt. That being said fem seeds are the best thing since carbon filters for small indoor growers if you only have room for one plant why not?
As for serious fem seeds being as good as their regs, I doubt simon would release junk he has intergrity most cannot match(in this industry)*from my knowledge*
 
topfuel29

topfuel29

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bluedreambaby said:
Yes. Paraphrasing from the book in front of me:

A seed has about a 50/50 chance of being female when you put it in the dirt.
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so your trying to tell me every seed is neutral neither male or female until it germinates?
I would burn that book and bury the ashes in the ground. If that were true you'd never have any feminized seeds. Now would you. Sex of a seed occurs when the pollen germinates the ovary of the female. Both are haploid they combine and become diploid. This is where sex is determined.
 
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bmeat

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topfuel29 said:
so your trying to tell me every seed is neutral neither male or female until it germinates?
I would burn that book and bury the ashes in the ground. If that were true you'd never have any feminized seeds. Now would you. Sex of a seed occurs when the pollen germinates the ovary of the female. Both are haploid they combine and become diploid. This is where sex is determined.
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i also want to know this, becuase if this is true, this chart my be viable.

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i do plan to test it. i have about 20 regular bush kush seeds.
 
bluedreambaby

bluedreambaby

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I'm not sayin' shit- I'm saying he is, and he's pretty widely regarded as knowing wtf he is talking about. I think he's meaning that there are environmental factors at play along with the genetic ones.
 
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Smokenpassout

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I will never buy regular. Tried that to save a buck. I vegged a lovely blueberry for a month, and after flowering it turned male. It was a regular.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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bmeat said:
im waiting for trousers bitch ass to come around.
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Here I am boy.
Do you guys realize you are taking advice from a 15 year old that lives with his mommy and has never grown a healthy plant?

bmeat said:
negative. land race strains wont have the feminized gene pool hermie.
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You are talking about that which you do not have the mental capacity to understand. I would ask you to explain what you mean by "the feminized gene pool hermie" but it is so obvious that you are just making shit up there is no point.

When you feminize a seed you do not alter the dna. That is a fact.

I am sorry you are are unable to understand anything regarding cannabis, including how to grow it.

bmeat thinks that hermaphrodites were created by humans. To tag on, he also believes that if you build your muscles and have a child, your child will have big muscles. Seriously, he really posted that.

Landrace strains all have the ability to produce hermaphrodites. It is a survival mechanism.
In fact, all female cannabis plants have the ability to produce male flowers and pollen.
Cannabis is an incredible plant, we are just taking advantage of a naturally occurring phenomenon.

Bmeat would have you believe that humans are responsible for hermaphrodites.
Seriously, that is his deal. despite every one and their dog calling him an idiot, he has stuck with it.

bmeat said:
it MAY have a "true" hermie here and there, but this is VERY VERY rare.
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No, it is not rare. Do you have anything to back up your lies with?
You do not even understand the difference between a true female that was stressed into showing male flowers and an actual hermaphrodite. The fact that you offer advice about feminized seeds is incredibly offensive. You should offer advice about things you know, like living with your parents and breathing through the mouth.


bmeat said:
feminized seeds are much more likely to go herman.
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I would ask you to back this up with something but it is obvious that you are just talking out of your ass like a little girl that got her feeling hurt. It is weird and points to sever psychological problems. You still want to breast feed, don't you?

You are a liar.
You live with your mommy and daddy.
You are dumber than a bag of hammers and much less useful.
Please go chug bleach.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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bluedreambaby said:
I don't have any direct experience here, but I read in Cervante's that there's stuff you can do to increase your odds of a regular seed being female- stuff like more blue light and lower temps? I'll look it up if anyone is interested. A buddy of mine tried his method and only had to pull 4 males out of 16 plants, and later another 2 hermied. Still, 10 out of 16 isn't bad at all.
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No offense to to you, Cervante does not know what he is talking about. I have found nothing that leads me to believe that a plant's sex is not determined in the seed, before germination.

The fact that feminized seeds exist really drive that point home. Properly made feminized seeds produce female plants 100% of the time.

bluedreambaby said:
Then I was reading in one of the Cannabibles that the author sees a definite decrease in the quality of feminized seeds.
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I have found the opposite to be true. I have also found that anything with the word "bible" in the title usually has a bunch of bullshit in it. If feminized seeds were declining in quality, what ever that means, there would be a huge back lash against seed sellers.


bluedreambaby said:
He also objects to them on the moral grounds that doing what they have to do to the plants to get them to throw feminized seeds is just wrong, and not the way that we should be treating a plant as spectacular as this one.

I'm inclined to agree with him on the moral grounds bit.
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Even though I completely disagree with both of you I would like to hear why you think so.
Making feminized seeds is a just taking advantage of a naturally occurring phenomenon. I do not see how that is immoral at all. It just does not make sense.

bluedreambaby said:
I'm growing some feminized autos right now just to give them a whirl- I was given them, and I'm curious. I don't believe I would pay money to grow feminized seeds over regular ones based on the reading I've done.
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This is part of the problem. Cervantes and whoever wrote that bible book are not talking from a place of experience and that is maddening. They are going by what old growers/breeders tell them. I'm sure there are very successful growers that do not understand feminized seeds and do not like them because they do not understand them. Cervantes goes around looking at grows, writes about them and collects checks. There are many growers here I would trust over Cervantes, no problem.

I do not know what to say except that they are flat out wrong.

I have produced thousands of feminized seeds. I have yet to see one "hermie"

I'll go one step further and and post my opinion about feminized seeds and breeding:

Males are not needed at all for breeding. You could cross plants from feminized seeds with plants from feminized seeds and keep doing it with no problems.

I would bet that many breeders/seed producers are doing just that right now.
 
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althor

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bluedreambaby said:
I don't have any direct experience here, but I read in Cervante's that there's stuff you can do to increase your odds of a regular seed being female- stuff like more blue light and lower temps? I'll look it up if anyone is interested. A buddy of mine tried his method and only had to pull 4 males out of 16 plants, and later another 2 hermied. Still, 10 out of 16 isn't bad at all.

Then I was reading in one of the Cannabibles that the author sees a definite decrease in the quality of feminized seeds. He also objects to them on the moral grounds that doing what they have to do to the plants to get them to throw feminized seeds is just wrong, and not the way that we should be treating a plant as spectacular as this one.

I'm inclined to agree with him on the moral grounds bit.

I'm growing some feminized autos right now just to give them a whirl- I was given them, and I'm curious. I don't believe I would pay money to grow feminized seeds over regular ones based on the reading I've done.
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While I am sure there is plenty of good stuff to learn in the books like cannabible, keep in mind a lot of the shit in those types of books are outdated. There has been as much progression in the past 5 to 10 years in MJ with more and more places legalizing and people sharing their experiences from all over the world, than there has been the past 100 years.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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bmeat said:
a female x hermie will produce more females vs a self pollinated Hermie or a Hermie x Hermie
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I am not going to explain this for your benefit, you are not capable of understanding.

Anyway.

Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers. It is a natural survival mechanism. It is completely normal and natural and a part of every female cannabis plant.

There are numerous ways of making a female plant produce male flowers. Most growers accidentally do it by over fertilizing, having it too hot, over watering, under watering, the list is pretty long.

When a female plant produces male flowers, for what ever reason, that does not really make it a hermaphrodite. Technically, yes, but not really if you look at the chromosomes. The plant in question would only have X chromosomes and the resulting seeds would produce female plants that also only have a X chromosomes. Making a female plant produce pollen does not change the dna or add some sort of "hermie trait" what ever that is.

If a plant produces both male and female flowers and has a Y chromosome, to me that is a real hermaphrodite. The seeds from such pollen would most likely produce around 50% hermaphrodites, 25% males and 25% females.

wikipedia can probably explain it better than I can.

When some one says "a female x hermie" they most likely do not understand what a hermaphrodite is, or what kind is being talked about.

bmeat is like a child who wonders into a room and tells all the adults they are wrong. He doesn't even understand what is being talked about, yet he wants to offer advice.
 
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bmeat

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youre right about the chromosomes, but that doesnt make feminized aka terminator seed technology right.

a good feminized seed will not produce male flowers, and therefore this race of plants can not sexually reproduce. they can merley be cloned, or you must buy new seeds.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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bmeat said:
youre right about the chromosomes, but that doesnt make feminized aka terminator seed technology right.
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As has been explained to you, every female cannabis plant can show male flowers. It is natural and normal. You are unnatural and abnormal.
You haven't made a solid argument yet, but let's hear why you think it is wrong. Your pathetic rants about colloidal silver were hilarious. i can't wait to hear why feminized seeds are wrong.

bmeat said:
a good feminized seed will not produce male flowers, and therefore this race of plants can not sexually reproduce. they can merley be cloned, or you must buy new seeds.
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No. You are wrong. Stop making stuff up.

As I said, you can take any female cannabis plant and help it to produce male flowers. I used feminized seeds to produce plants which were used to produce feminized seeds. All of the resulting plants were female and produced great pot. I smoked some today.

It is pretty simple and has been explained to you numerous times yet you still act like a dumb stubborn child and insist your bullshit lies are true.
 
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bmeat

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it is NOT natural and feminization is basically terminator technology. its just that a lot of breeders fail at making "stable" terminators.

http://gmocannabiswatch.blogspot.com/2010/11/feminized-seed-terminator-technology-of.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CFAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cannabisculture.com%2Farticles%2F1332.html&ei=LFkMUaarA6qB0QGOiYHIAg&usg=AFQjCNHKKLTPNS73ICzDeUhzGRRwEvJ6sw&sig2=6nvi8IqFBnut30QPal0oGQ

its the same thing monsanto got slapped for trying to do.
 
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