what is it that convinces you ?

tyler.durden · Sep 18, 2011

Padawanbater2 said:
My frustration has peaked and it's only 11am...

I hear you, Pada. I sensed your frustration yesterday when you scolded Oly: I have him on ignore, but I see some of his posts when people reply with quote to him. I read a civil back and forth between him and MP yesterday on another thread, and was impressed by oly's deference and eloquence, just to return here and see his posts degenerate. It's like reading Flowers for Algernon again...

tyler.durden · Sep 18, 2011

lexros said:
i guess i dont believe that the complex designs you see in nature were a fluke, i see the complex human body and the thousands of different species of a particular animal which are all unique in a certain way. i think there has to be a creator who designed all of this

You may want to study evolution: it explains in great detail exactly why we see the great diversity of life around us, and why it has the appearance of design without an actual designer. It was reasonable to believe a creator was responsible for the complexity of life before Darwin, but that was 150 years ago...

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

also biology in general is good too. knowing how the insides of the cells work and how they exchange things talk to each other is a big part of it.
its like millions of tiny biological machines coming together to create a larger machine(us). other animals simply have smaller machines that work in a different way, so they come together to form something else.
machine is a bad example because it implies a creator, but you get it lol

spliffendz · Sep 18, 2011

tyler.durden said:
You may want to study evolution: it explains in great detail exactly why we see the great diversity of life around us, and why it has the appearance of design without an actual designer. It was reasonable to believe a creator was responsible for the complexity of life before Darwin, but that was 150 years ago...

This is the major problem in modern day life, science 'trying' to explain everything, and thus making everyone take for granted the wonderful world we live in.

spliffendz · Sep 18, 2011

and i dont try to shove my faith down anyones throat, yet all i see on many a canna forum, and other forums, is folk wasting their lives trying to disprove someones faith.

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

spliffendz said:
This is the major problem in modern day life, science 'trying' to explain everything, and thus making everyone take for granted the wonderful world we live in.

because everything can be explained. maybe not yet, but we use science to get there. without science, people can believe in anything because the human brain likes to believe things. people used to believe lightning was an act of god, until we figured out how it really works and what it really is.

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

spliffendz said:
and i dont try to shove my faith down anyones throat, yet all i see on many a canna forum, and other forums, is folk wasting their lives trying to disprove someones faith.

its not about disproving them. it is about showing them they have no proof, when they believe they do. the reason they believe is usually for superstitious reasons. once someone believes something, they pick and choose things to back up their beliefs, because they already know it is correct. we know this is a function of the brain

sen.c · Sep 18, 2011

dark energy.

Another phenominon they have absolutely no idea of but they will tell you it is real.

I hear you spliffendz, science has been a great but also wasteful means to and end. Science is wonderful when it comes to humanity as far as medicine and technology but in the same hand it is a detriment as well.
It all comes down to pride, and that very pride will be the destruction of many brilliant people.

because everything can be explained.

Really, that is interesting.

it is about showing them they have no proof

In a perfect world maybe, but that couldn't be farther from the truth in many cases.

they pick and choose things to back up their beliefs, because they already know it is correct. we know this is a function of the brain

That's funny, a function of the brain is survival. Try and hold your breath to kill yourself and your brain will say no. It is mans nature to survive at all cost so why would a person not recant their faith knowing they are about to be brutally killed for it? God gives man peace that can't be explained, and is evident in these situations. What would you do if you were going to be publicly excecuted recant or go through with it?

tyler.durden · Sep 18, 2011

spliffendz said:
This is the major problem in modern day life, science 'trying' to explain everything, and thus making everyone take for granted the wonderful world we live in.

Quite the contrary: scientific discoveries do not take away from the wonder and grandeur of life, but instead enhances it greatly. I was brought up christian and none of my experiences while in that mind state could match the awe and majesty I feel through scientific exploration. The explanation that, poof! god created all, is nothing compared to the detailed wonder of the natural occurring phenomena of the cosmos. The odds of anyone of us being here to discuss these things are trillions to one, that fact alone is enough for me never to take this experience of conscious life for granted...

tyler.durden · Sep 18, 2011

spliffendz said:
and i dont try to shove my faith down anyones throat, yet all i see on many a canna forum, and other forums, is folk wasting their lives trying to disprove someones faith.

I am on here to express my beliefs, and the reasons I hold them, for the purpose of self-expression and to learn. I think you post on this sub-forum for similar reasons. I don't feel this is a waste of time for either of us, sure beats watching TV...

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

sen.c said:
Another phenominon they have absolutely no idea of but they will tell you it is real.

no. they tell you there is something making the universe expand. they call it dark energy. id like to know your explanation for why it is expanding.
how many christians have absolutely no idea but proclaim god is real?

I hear you spliffendz, science has been a great but also wasteful means to and end. Science is wonderful when it comes to humanity as far as medicine and technology but in the same hand it is a detriment as well.

so science is only good when it benefits you? but when it goes against your belief in god, its a wasteful thing?

It all comes down to pride, and that very pride will be the destruction of many brilliant people.

what?

Really, that is interesting.

yes. as i explained, maybe we dont understand some things yet, but that does not mean they are unexplainable.

In a perfect world maybe, but that couldn't be farther from the truth in many cases.

maybe they can prove some things in the bible are true but that doesnt mean god exists. where is this proof that there is a god? id like to see it. until then, i wont waste my time believing in one.

That's funny, a function of the brain is survival. Try and hold your breath to kill yourself and your brain will say no. It is mans nature to survive at all cost so why would a person not recant their faith knowing they are about to be brutally killed for it? God gives man peace that can't be explained, and is evident in these situations. What would you do if you were going to be publicly excecuted recant or go through with it?

it is not mans nature to survive at all costs. a man will gladly die for something they believe in, if the belief is strong enough. if their beliefs are bigger than themselves and they believe god will reward them for sticking up for him, they have little problem dying. heaven is coming, after all

TehWonder · Sep 18, 2011

For me, it's the feeling that everything happens for a reason and at the end of the day everything you resent as well as cherish was planted or placed here for a greater and higher meaning.

'God' can be anything or nothing, it all depends on the person. I regard 'God' as more of a reminder of good practice, rather than an entity of divine purpose.

filtereye · Sep 18, 2011

i imagine my god to be unisex and endless possibility of what it is

god is beyond the human race, beyond the simplifications given

Mannie Phresh · Sep 18, 2011

when you gain understanding of yourself and the world around you it becomes perfectly clear their is more than just what you can see with your eyes.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
no. they tell you there is something making the universe expand. they call it dark energy. id like to know your explanation for why it is expanding.
how many christians have absolutely no idea but proclaim god is real?

Ha it's funny that you ask for an explanation of why the world is expanding from a religious person, when it was a religious person who originally discovered what is known today as the Doppler effect. Which is what they based the world is expanding thing on.
IDK jut thought it was funny. :joint:

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
Ha it's funny that you ask for an explanation of why the world is expanding from a religious person, when it was a religious person who originally discovered what is known today as the Doppler effect. Which is what they based the world is expanding thing on.
IDK jut thought it was funny.

so it was because he was religious that he discovered the Doppler effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

and the universe is expanding, not the world

Hepheastus420 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
so it was because he was religious that he discovered the Doppler effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

and the universe is expanding, not the world

No I'm just saying I thought it was funny. I mean your saying many christians have no idea how the world is expanding, but we do. I mean it was a Christian who discovered the Doppler effect, so I'm pretty sure many Christians know the universe is expanding.

And you know what I meant when I said world (I think).

Hepheastus420 · Sep 18, 2011

Hey Luger I'm curious can you explain how the universe is expanding? Like what is it expanding into? Isn't the universe compressed, so what is all around the universe? Is it dark energy? Or is there nothing and the universe is simply just existing alone and expanding alone without anything surrounding it? I'm pretty sure they haven't discovered anything to answer my questions... Right?

Looking back at these questions I have to say they don't really make sense but it would be cool if you can understand what I'm asking.

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
No I'm just saying I thought it was funny. I mean your saying many christians have no idea how the world is expanding, but we do. I mean it was a Christian who discovered the Doppler effect, so I'm pretty sure many Christians know the universe is expanding.

And you know what I meant when I said world (I think).

wtf? when did i say that? but anyways yes its true that many christians have no idea the universe is expanding or what that really means.

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

dark energy is what is makin it expand not keepin it held back. and sadly until we find a new way to toy with space travel or more soo deep space telescopes we wont know cause the light from the rest of the universe simply hasnt hit us yet. they kinda have, but it dips into parallel universes and most ppl dont like the sound of that lol

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