what is it that convinces you ?

sen.c

Active Member
well actually if your a muslim fighting a holly war against america then you will suffer prosecution , imo america is the least 'free' country out there , one in every ten black americans in prison lol come on mate ? you cant seriousley think you live in a free country ?
Give me a break now you wanna pull the race card. When you grow up living on the system, and your role models are pimps, hustlers, and rappers what do you think will come from it. They are a product of the system they chose to live off of and that is what the government wants. They get a steady paycheck but so does the prision system for housing them, jail is big business.
 

olylifter420

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i know, that has got to be the stupidest thing tsh has said so far! saying blacks are the most in prisons... whatever, that depends on the region and demographic of that region tsh...


Give me a break now you wanna pull the race card. When you grow up living on the system, and your role models are pimps, hustlers, and rappers what do you think will come from it. They are a product of the system they chose to live off of and that is what the government wants. They get a steady paycheck but so does the prision system for housing them, jail is big business.
 

sen.c

Active Member
so you nuts are now admitting theres more than just your god out there ( totally going against everything your religion teaches ) ?
There is only one God, in my book I don't know where you pulled ^^^^^^ conclusion from but it is obvious you like to bait these confrontations and I will always be your huckleberry.
 

mindphuk

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Creationism can be taught in a Sociology class, Ethnic Diversity class, or World Religions class. Science is science. Creationism does not fall under science.
I think you misunderstand what creationism means in most discussions. Creationism is the doctrine that biblical special creation is what created life and everything on this planet. It is a view about biological life and diversity in opposition to evolution by natural means. Teaching various creation myths in sociology or a class about religions is not creationism. No one has a problem teaching about religion. The supporters of creationism want it taught alongside evolution as part of lessons on biology.
No, teachers should keep their religion out of their teaching to prevent any bias against them or students.
Yet those are the things that the religionists are fighting for. They want teachers to have the freedom to discuss their relationship with Jesus in the classroom. These are the fights that Dawkins is referring to.
Of course there are limitations.
And that's all that we want is to keep those limitations strictly defined.
 

Hepheastus420

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cause i dont want to be an asshole athesit like you.[/QUOT

wow such hostility and hatred , is this what religion does to people ? im not an ashole just cause i dont believe what you were taught growing up ................, im a really chill guy .
I'm pretty sure oly said that because you can be an asshole, u can never just let religious people be. I mean the reason for this thread is to shoot religious people down and you know it.
 

diesel15

Active Member
Christian God man. no other because only through Christ are your sins forgiven. whats the point of ''right'' and ''wrong '' if God doesn't exist? if God didnt exist you could do whatever, whenever, to whoever and anybody going against that would get killed.
 

grizlbr

Active Member
I posted something meaningful and in good cheer. Both your responses to me seem to convey disrespect. Good luck in your travels.
cheers 'neer
Why would I Believe the Family Sized Mason Bible on the living room Table? I read it cover to cover as a child. Wandered off to look for quick sand and got lost on family farm, needed help getting home before dinner. Heard a little voice you need to go this way. So unless Aliens were reading my thoughts and knew where I lived. I was praying while standing there talking to my self? I need help which way do I go? So Who answered a 6 yo lost near Stone Mountain? So when I had a accident on the interstate holding a EMT's wifes kotex to my bleeding head I prayed Lord I cant leave now I have 2 children to take care of. So I am still here Divine intervention at least 3 times. So yes I believe in my God that answers my prayers.
 

mexiblunt

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Sweet!! testimony time. When I was religious I prayed to god to make me an athiest, he answered my prayers, now I'm confused for life.
 

VILEPLUME

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So many things have convinced me that the bible is historically accurate. I wont go into all of them, but finding the dead sea scrolls was huge, comparing it to the bible books we have today and it being identical 2000 years later is pretty amazing.

Ok one more, our brains cant comprehend something out of nothing, but originally there had to be nothing...I can only conclude that there is a greater intelligence out there cause we are obviously too dumb that we cant even think about how it started. The rule of matter is that it cannot be created and cannot be destroyed, but it had to have been created at some point...or did it? If you think about it too long though it hurts your brain.

Also one last thing, there are no strings attached to believing in Jesus, you just pray and ask him to be your savior and that is it. Even if you were 99% sure there wasnt a God, why not take that 1% chance and pray to him for 2mins anyways? No one would really know unless you told them lol.
 

Padawanbater2

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The Sativa High,

I guess I will go out on a limb here and put some things up that I usually don't. First off I believe God has a plan for everyone's life. With that being said here is my story.

I was raised in Church, simply because my mom was and my parents made me go. I did learn some basic things and was baptised at the age of 9 along with my dad as he
converted from the Catholic Faith to the Baptist. At 13 my parents divorced after a pretty bad situation brought about by aanother lady in a new church we started going to
even after my dad did not want to make the change. We found out a few years after the divorce that the lady at the church that broke my family up was one of these people
that go to church pretending to be something they were not and we found out that our family was not the only victim of this coke dealing lesbian. At that point I quit going to
church and was furious that they would allow this lady to still be an active member of the church after nowing all these things but she was a big contributor so they turned a
blind eye. I chose to live with my father and my brothers and sister had to go with my mom because they were not old enough to make their own decision.

I became involved in a gang because I felt my Homeboys gave me a sense of family. It wasn't long before I was one of the larer suppliers of coke and crack to the area and with
that came drive by shootings, assault and you name it. During all of this I knew I was doing wrong but I could not stop, and the thought of My Lord and Saviour stayed in the back
of my mind regardless. I was own my own at sixteen and was hungry and needed shelter so I did what I had to do to get those necessities. Next thing you know I luckily missed a
30 year federal sentence day for day no early release and watched my buddy go up for the bid. I just happened to not go with him on the trip but sent my 54K with him to take care
of business. Well as soon as he get back the task force was waiting for him behind a snitch. He was charges with aggrivated posession, trafficing, violation of the federal stamp act,
transporting across every state line crossed in doing so, as well as using the phone line to set up the deal. After that I thought I would chill for a while, but that didn't last long. Next
thing you know bam I miss another case for murder in a drive by but my other friends went down and are spending 25+ years due to it being gang related activity, once again I was
supposed to be there but just out of luck my girlfriend at the time just got back from out of town and I decided to stay home with here. After this incident I chilled for a while and next
thing you know I am back at it again and this time almost didn't make it out of a 30 year drug case, luckily they didn't have enough evidence to take me down because they couldn't
prove anything other that I had bags with me on surveilence but never caught me with the product. What was bad in this deal was if they would have busted me it would have been
bad for alot of people because I was supplying a bunch of cops juice. At this point I said that is enough the next time I may not be so lucky. I got tired of dragging bottom so I called
a family member that lived out of town and they said I could come live with them so I did and got back on track got new friends with things going for them and thanked God for bringing
me through the many things oither than just what was talked about above. There is no doubt that if it weren't for God having a plan for me that I would be a caged animal right
now, and if that were the case I probably would have never gotten out because my mentality and I feel the Lord knew that was the case.

During the middle of all the things that were going on above I lost my dad and really got crazy and at one point I overdosed on blue and clears ( ate 12 ) some guys took me home and dropped me at the door
I couldn't walk and no control of my bowels and vomiting perfusely and my heart was in mega overdrive. My vision was was in and out and I was vomiting blood and I keep seeing a Bible next to the bed
and had enough energy to litterlly fling my arm over to enough to knock it onto the bed and prayed saying I would read until I felt it was time to stop so I started. As I started reading every chapter that went by I felt
fuller in a spiritual sense and kept reading next thing you know i felt like it was enough and no joke jumped out of the bed went into the rest room took a leak and when I walked into the kitchen they were actually calling
the ambulance and were shocked as they hung up the phone. I said whats for dinner and ate a huge plate of rice and gravy stewed pork chops and drank a pile of ice tea and was totaly fine. After that point I knew
without a doubt what the reason for me still being here was.
Are you saying that had you gotten caught or convicted of any of the offenses you avoided because you believe God kept you out of trouble, would you still believe it's true? If you were sitting inside a prison cell, right now, would you still believe it?

What would be the purpose of God keeping you from prison?
 

Luger187

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can anyone here show me evidence for there being just ONE god? as opposed to 0,2,3,4, etc. it doesnt have to be YOUR god. just show me that there is one

second part: if you cannot do that, how could you possibly claim that you know which god is correct? how could you possibly know that the god in the bible is the one true god? faith? thats just a guessing game, and if you choose wrong, you could go to hell. so choose wisely lol. the muslims have faith that they are correct, so what makes you more right than them?
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
So many things have convinced me that the bible is historically accurate. I wont go into all of them, but finding the dead sea scrolls was huge, comparing it to the bible books we have today and it being identical 2000 years later is pretty amazing.

Ok one more, our brains cant comprehend something out of nothing, but originally there had to be nothing...I can only conclude that there is a greater intelligence out there cause we are obviously too dumb that we cant even think about how it started. The rule of matter is that it cannot be created and cannot be destroyed, but it had to have been created at some point...or did it? If you think about it too long though it hurts your brain.

Also one last thing, there are no strings attached to believing in Jesus, you just pray and ask him to be your savior and that is it. Even if you were 99% sure there wasnt a God, why not take that 1% chance and pray to him for 2mins anyways? No one would really know unless you told them lol.
i dont do that because god would know i was faking it just on the off chance he is real
 

olylifter420

Well-Known Member
Ad hominin

You bring nothing of substance to these threads. All you do is ask questions and if you dont like the answer, you disagree and tell it in a smug fashion.


Tell us something you wholeheartedly believe so we can ask atupid questions like you, then ignore what you say



i dont do that because god would know i was faking it just on the off chance he is real
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Ad hominin

You bring nothing of substance to these threads. All you do is ask questions and if you dont like the answer, you disagree and tell it in a smug fashion.


Tell us something you wholeheartedly believe so we can ask atupid questions like you, then ignore what you say
In this instance Vileplume was suggesting Pascal's wager. This fails simple human logic. No god worth a moment of our attention would sit still for someone who was simply covering his options that way. jmo.
cheers 'neer
 

cruzer101

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what is it that convinces you personaly to believe in the god you believe in , what is the one single thing that confirms in YOUR mind that your god exists and you want to worship him/her/it? .
What convinces me is proof from at least three different sources. If that's not available then results from my experiences.
I am result orientated, results convince me. I was raised catholic, now I am an atheist.
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Ad hominin

You bring nothing of substance to these threads. All you do is ask questions and if you dont like the answer, you disagree and tell it in a smug fashion.


Tell us something you wholeheartedly believe so we can ask atupid questions like you, then ignore what you say
and your post added what to the thread?
what i said was a legitimate response. like canabineer said, vileplume was presenting pascals wager as a reason for belief. if god was real and omnipotent, he would know
 

Hepheastus420

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can anyone here show me evidence for there being just ONE god? as opposed to 0,2,3,4, etc. it doesnt have to be YOUR god. just show me that there is one

second part: if you cannot do that, how could you possibly claim that you know which god is correct? how could you possibly know that the god in the bible is the one true god? faith? thats just a guessing game, and if you choose wrong, you could go to hell. so choose wisely lol. the muslims have faith that they are correct, so what makes you more right than them?
Well the lack of knowledge in science of how the world was created leads me to belief in a greater being. Personally I follow the bible because of the morals it teaches. I'm not sure how much is still true in the bible since it was probably corrupted or someone might have wrote something false in it.

You want proof? Just google proof of Christianity and you will find several facts that link to historical evidence that is referred to in the bible.


The Muslims believe we go to heaven if we are good so yeah.
And honestly I don't know where they come up with this other religions go to hell stuff. I mean the only scripture I can find is when Jesus says "the only way to the father is through me." but of course. If he died for our sins then that's exactly true, it doesn't mean that other religions go to hell. We can't judge only god does.
 

Hepheastus420

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i dont do that because god would know i was faking it just on the off chance he is real
I think he is saying to just ask for guidance, just ask. You don't have to believe but give it a shot. Because what else do you have to lose? Jesus would know you don't believe in him/god but he would also know you gave religion a chance. That's what he is saying IMO.
 

Luger187

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Well the lack of knowledge in science of how the world was created leads me to belief in a greater being.
so because you dont know, it is okay to assume a god created the universe? why make assumptions?
edit: is it okay to assume lightning is thrown down by the thunder god because we dont know what it is? doesnt that sound ridiculous? should i assume the volcano god throws lava out when he is mad at me, just because i dont understand why lava comes out?

Personally I follow the bible because of the morals it teaches.
there is both good and bad in the bible. choosing to only look at the good does not mean the bible is a good moral teacher.
and why cant you follow the same morals without religion? humans naturally have morals. if that wasnt true, all atheists would be serial killers and rapists. i think you are smart enough to realize stealing, murder, etc. is wrong

I'm not sure how much is still true in the bible since it was probably corrupted or someone might have wrote something false in it.
yeah thats exactly why you shouldnt rely on it for truth and morals. maybe there was something written in it that was taken out, and maybe you go against that thing every day. how would you know?

You want proof? Just google proof of Christianity and you will find several facts that link to historical evidence that is referred to in the bible.
i will do that

The Muslims believe we go to heaven if we are good so yeah.
And honestly I don't know where they come up with this other religions go to hell stuff. I mean the only scripture I can find is when Jesus says "the only way to the father is through me." but of course. If he died for our sins then that's exactly true, it doesn't mean that other religions go to hell. We can't judge only god does.
if belief that jesus died for our sins and he was the son of god is the only way to get to heaven, how do muslims get in?
 
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