what is it that convinces you ?

father Mullroony with a leather strap

Hi,

so the 'other' question is "is there a God" as per Morgan Lynn's link. It's a clever page, but scientifically one has to ask "where did this matter that I quantify come from?". The point is that all there is to see and interact with was there before you got there. All else is mere conjecture.

What convinces me that there is a God is the law of 3. Well, properties of it anyway. You see, water, as an example, is triune in nature. It is a substance that takes on 3 aspects. I can be flowing, rigid, or a vapor. Life, in case you haven't noticed, is just like that. You will be, in appropriate circumstances, rigid, flowing or vapor-like.

Next we have electricity. Positive, negative and neutral. Life, in case you haven't noticed, is just like that. You will be, in every circumstance, positive, negative or neutral. Try NOT being that way! You'd be dead.

There is a God in the sky as much as there is a God inside of you. Micro / Macro...

3 things are needed to have life. Water, energy and consciousness. You are water and energy...this is a quantifiable scientific fact...your consciousness can verify this. Energy and consciousness are 'somewhat' the same. One is a vehicle for the other.

In quantum physics, we know that the smallest of particles act differently when observed. This implies a consciousness. So this brings me to the 3-ness of my post... Consciousness is God on the macro scale. We 'borrow' our consciousness from God to be able to move the vehicle we've been given by our parents. (vehicle = body)


No need for arrogance at all. Just be and believe in what you FEEL is right. If someone else is not ready to accept a personal or impersonal God, big deal! It's their consciousness and vehicle, therefore, their choice (free will anyone?).

God sits with you, and observes... He / She / It lets you do what you want. But the fact is, you might not always do the right thing. Still, he / she / it stays with you because of...you guessed it, love.

Love is not quantifiable, it is shy like the particles we play with in labs or the lhc for example. Like fractals, love just keeps going on into infinity. This means you'll have a lot of chances to believe.


-eye


ps: this happens to be on the 33rd page of this thread... and, I like synchronicities.

pps: you have 3 brains and 3 nervous systems... also quantifiable.

Has there been any discussion of the Gnostic people?
I like to quote Joseph Campbell here, "I need no faith because I have experience".

God to me is just a word we use to much, God truly is dead.

...read my last post. This was a gnostic interpretation.

See like you said sycronicity . . .
I am a very logical, scientific person. My personal experience of 'God' (once again poor choice of words) has allowed me to expand conscious awareness and understanding. My gnostic experiences have opened up creative avenues I would have never thought possible. Somehow I think a synergy of 'magic' and 'science' is necessary otherwise we are still a bunch of monkeys with high technology. Creative emergence is impossible to deny as proven by our planets short history.
Does this undoubtedly prove the existence of 'God'? Maybe not but that depends on your definition of 'God'. Do you believe in the Solar System, Galaxy, Supercluster, Universe?
In the end I feel we are only examining different routes of experiencing ourselves.

Hi NewGrowth, I like your perspective.

I agree that we experiencing ourselves. I have had experience with 'God'. When one can filter out all the 'stuff' or misnomers we have experience. The gnostic cross is an example of this. Matter and Spirit. Soul is the accumulation of past experiences whether right or wrong. Our task would be to integrate spirit and soul. This is difficult because most people are trapped in their description of 'God'.

If God is love and love cannot be quantified then all we have is being. To be. God 'is'... and that's it.

If God is the 'uncreate' ( = uncreated) then it is simple to see that we are God experiencing itself.


best,
eye

This is a the problem from a logical perspective. 'God' as you stated can not be quantified. Therefore logically 'god' is non-material or all material omniscient. These are the only two numbers science can not measure, zero and infinity.
We have proven rather scientifically that the non-material does in fact have an effect on the material. Intent of the experimenter?
So does it not seem arrogant to attempt to negate a concept that can not even be quantified? To me science proves the existence of 'god' with each new discovery.
Thanks for your insight eye!
Fractals, Fibonacci, the golden ratio. There even seems to be a common design, none of them limited.

Ha! "3" numbers... 137 also evades the scientific community.

Using two radii to divide a circle according to the golden ratio yields sectors of approximately 137° (the golden angle) and 222°.

...oui oui! this is a dimensionless number! It is equated to the unus mundus, or, one world. PURE potentiality... the center, or, 'centre' of the lemniscate.

I should point out this happens to represent the vesica piscis as well... 222 on the left, 137 in the middle and 222 on the right. You could also call this 313 or 'father, heart, mother'...if you will.

and everyone will try to escape the fact.... god does not exist, god does not NOT exist....


no one knows

Zaehet Strife said:

and everyone will try to escape the fact.... god does not exist, god does not NOT exist....


no one knows

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in the same way that flying magical unicorns that shit flapjacks dont exist, but hey, you prove they dont!!! [/christians argument]

...elementals, that's what a shaman would know them as. The concept evolved to television and needed a form of representation.

..."gist"

.......uh. Proof! Strong survival evidence and seeing a ghost. That should do the trick !

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

what is it that convinces you personaly to believe in the god you believe in , what is the one single thing that confirms in YOUR mind that your god exists and you want to worship him/her/it? .

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I was brought up a Christian i went to church every Sunday and I had my own bible given to me one Christmas by my parents, I loved and was intrigued by all the bible stories,at school we said prayers at lunchtime and before we went home in the afternoon and I prayed every night before I went to sleep. I never questioned wether any of it was true as child your trust and innocence is wonderful. As a young woman I did all the things young girls do, I got drunk, got laid, and had run ins with the police and although I knew this wasn't a Christian thing to do I went right a head and did them. When I lost both my parents to cancer and heart disease my faith kept me strong and the belief that I would one day meet them again kept me sane, I was a young mum when my mum died I needed her so badly but I didn't blame god for her death instead I knew she was safe and pain free. Now my children are adults I brought them up as Christians they never went church as I did but I would read them bible stories and share my knowledge with them, my daughter is the same with her children, but my two sons decided that they didn't believe in god or any of the stories that I had read to them, this was their choice and I didn't condem them for not believing in what I did. I know god exists my prayers have been answered many times, their is no one single thing to confirm his existence and I don't need to see him,I have had a tough two years where I have felt alone, scared and have been in the depths of despair I have been besieged by pain and sickness and on times welcomed death, but through all these times I was given an inner strength to fight,a strength that I couldn't explain but it was their and people would comment about my ability to overcome what I was going through, how I could laugh and joke and keep everyone at ease and happy when they were crushed with anger and sadness. I prayed each night for that strength and I got it. You don't believe in god and that is your choice, but you should not condem them that do, I don't shout my beliefs from the rooftops my beliefs are personal to me, but one thing Iam sure of sometime in your life you will encounter god you may not recognise his intervention but it will be their until then keep an open mind and a civil tongue in your head we are all the same no matter what we believe.

For me it has been an unfolding love-affair for about 2 years now (I'm 25).

It started very slowly. I never followed or believed in religion - it seemed wrong to me from early childhood. I considered myself atheist for quite some time, 'agnostic' when I felt like I wanted to be intellectual about it.

But these days it's really been something magical, beyond words and description. Once I realized that the 'being' that created this infinite universe wanted a personal relationship with me (and every being for that matter) is when the magic really started to happen.

Knowing God is accomplished through knowing yourself. It is an exploration, an eternal adventure. We watch movies to instill in us a sense of grand adventure and to stimulate our emotions, but the same thing can be done internally, and with more to be gained (IMHO).

So for me it is not one event, but many series of them. Too many to recount, and too personal to divulge. Once I realized that everything is connected, even the smallest events started to appear sacred.

i'm convinced every religion involving deities are full of shit, their followers make it clear with their actions. contradictions out the ass and inability to understand scripture or excepting it as a whole is always interesting to watch. if it weren't something to comically poke fun at every now and then it would be much more annoying. hopefully society just advances to the point where adults-parents can let their kids decide for themselves, sadly since many religious folk have limited scientific understanding of how reality works, teaching kids is often supplanted with religious teaching and thats why it sticks for so long until they get the right pieces to the puzzle and form their own understanding backed by facts that are verifiable. for instance, i was raised jewish, when i was 7 i read the bible, that made me an atheist. i understood it was full of fictional pieces of scripture that were like easily observable plot-holes in a loosely strung together book about a bunch of atrocious shit. honestly, the first page is a joke, god made the earth before light? i can understand if somebody interprets it in a more literary metaphorical sense and gets values/beliefs from that, as long as they don't involve educating kids that sinners are anyone who isn't in the "in group".

it read alot like this after that Eureka! moment

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

i'm convinced every religion involving deities are full of shit, their followers make it clear with their actions. contradictions out the ass and inability to understand scripture or excepting it as a whole is always interesting to watch. if it weren't something to comically poke fun at every now and then it would be much more annoying. hopefully society just advances to the point where adults-parents can let their kids decide for themselves, sadly since many religious folk have limited scientific understanding of how reality works, teaching kids is often supplanted with religious teaching and thats why it sticks for so long until they get the right pieces to the puzzle and form their own understanding backed by facts that are verifiable. for instance, i was raised jewish, when i was 7 i read the bible, that made me an atheist. i understood it was full of fictional pieces of scripture that were like easily observable plot-holes in a loosely strung together book about a bunch of atrocious shit. honestly, the first page is a joke, god made the earth before light? i can understand if somebody interprets it in a more literary metaphorical sense and gets values/beliefs from that, as long as they don't involve educating kids that sinners are anyone who isn't in the "in group".

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...there's a lot about this that I agree with. The one brow-raiser was "limited scientific understanding of how reality works". If this were true, we wouldn't need science

...you got me thinking about the earth before light thing. Sound. Then light.