jonniepollenseed
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Absolutely
What is the cause of this and how to fix please
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jonniepollenseed
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Yes absolutely
Dr. Who
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You do eh?
Why 5.8? He's in soil.....That's 6.5...he's in bloom, so 6.7 is better.
Coconut water? And molasses? I can see the theory behind it but, in reality. Not really going to do much for the plant to recover, or at least not die out.. One does more for the soil, or the bio's in it as a food. Thing is they are pretty toasty from that Beastie......Would be best to simply do a watering with an AACT after restarting the feeding.
A flush is for sure the only way to get it to continue. Might be more inclined to flush with 6.7 pH (it's in bloom - pH at 6.7) and 5ml of Ca/Mg per gallon. Let her dry out and then begin feeding a "normal" liquid feed...NO Beastie, NO Tigerbloom....
NO! Not a good idea. The liquid contains very little to no dissolved O2!
Some of the top seed producers are now saying that they will not replace any seeds that failed after being soaked!
The reason is that any liquid that is used to soak seeds and does not have good dissolved O2. CAN and will drown the seed....
No bottled waters, no fruit or nut waters..
You might get away with a short soak but why take the chance..."Old Hippie trick = old logic thought" Being one of those "OLD HIPPIES," Logic and growing don't always work...
They ain't the same "type" of plant.. They are both C3, they both produce seeds but, the one is a tree and the other?
jonniepollenseed
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I respectfully disagree . I only know my experience in growing cannabis since 1981 . I know there are other ways to do something right or wrong . Different strains react to different ph levels . I keep the ph between 5.8 -6.8 . I dilute cubes with distilled water 5.8 ph 50 ml per gal of coconut water and have never had a problem . https://kitchenhomegardener.in/coconut-water-miracle-plants-growth/
chadfly111
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i dont soak seeds,i was just curious
chadfly111
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i find 6.7 ph to be high,i prefer around 6,and i grow in soil...some strains prefer a bit lower some a bit higher,but never 6.7
jonniepollenseed
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5.5 - 6.3 is sweetspot for most cannabis strains
Dr. Who
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Well, "only" since since 1973 here..
Soil self pH's. You set the plant in the soil and it kinda sets the soil pH where it's happy. Generally between the mid 6's to just over 7 and that's cannabis.
Now as you water, the pH level shifts about a whole point or more. As the soil dries back out. It swings back to the soils "resting" pH value.
LONG, long time rule of thumb on any soil run cannabis. You don't have to pH anything! IF you must pH your in-going solutions (basically anytime the solution pH is more then 1.5 points in either way, off that 6.5 or 6.7).
You pH the solution to 6.5 in veg, and in bloom you set the pH to 6.7
This .2 points in bloom is to get a better available P over N. This is very common knowledge.
Last one first.....that's for hydro! Those pH values are for running hydro methods. Like Ebb, DWC, RDWC and all soil-less styles like Coco and Peat based soil-less.
NOT real living soil....
Now for the AN thing...
You quoted AN propaganda as fact?
I call your bluff - BS on you! The use of hydro values and ignoring real soil pH values and not knowing how soil pH's and why. On top of the quote of ANYTHING Adv. Nutrients.
Then you list hydro pH values while talking about soil....
BS!
In my organic water only runs - I pH nothing as far as in-going
In synthetic runs. I have to pH due to the nature of my water and the action of the nutrient line on it. It drops stupid low when combined (Can be a sign of organic source nutrition).
jonniepollenseed
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Really wasn't looking for a fist fight or a dick measuring contest . I have no doubt of your experience growing . I soak cubes in distilled water 5.8 . and 50 ml coconut water . coconut water = , giberellic acid potassium , calcium . Now that may sound crazy to you , but I have good success . I dont soak seeds . I know if I checked my soil right now It would be about 6.8 , and hydro solution for my inside plants about 6.2 .
Dr. Who
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We can just measure our fist's
I get the cube soak....
Mmm. soil 6.8 = good soil, stay, stay. Goood soil...
Hydro? I just can't bring myself to do it anymore....
OldMedUser
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What you got there is a classic case of toxic salts buildup. To much for too long and all you can do now is flush well to slow it's progression. Won't fix it or repair any damage but should let the buds fatten up a bit more.
I've had it many times due to low RH causing excess nute uptake until the leaves are loaded with salts and go all crispy and thick.
Cut way back on the nutes the next go and better to have some older fans go yellow than burn up the whole plant.
I recently switched to Mega Crop nutes from AN 3-part and won't likely be using the AN again unless I do more DWC. Still have lots left but the MC is doing great.
Yesyes3000
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So what is happening to the plant when the case is is toxic salt buildup ? And what should the ph of the water be that I use to flush the plants ? Thank youWhat you got there is a classic case of toxic salts buildup. To much for too long and all you can do now is flush well to slow it's progression. Won't fix it or repair any damage but should let the buds fatten up a bit more.
I've had it many times due to low RH causing excess nute uptake until the leaves are loaded with salts and go all crispy and thick.
Cut way back on the nutes the next go and better to have some older fans go yellow than burn up the whole plant.
I recently switched to Mega Crop nutes from AN 3-part and won't likely be using the AN again unless I do more DWC. Still have lots left but the MC is doing great.
OldMedUser
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When you do a flush to get rid of salts buildup in the pots the pH of the first water isn't all that important tho you shouldn't use something way out of whack like pH 8 if you have tap water like ours.
To get rid of all the salts in the pots you need to flush thru about 3x what the pot holds. Takes a lot of time as once saturated the water runs thru slowly and a shop vac is handy if you don't have a place for the pots to drain like for me. After running the first couple pots worth of water the last one should be a light mix of whatever nutes you want to use to let the plants finish that you pH properly. For soilless around 6 and for real dirt 6.5.
If they are just a week or two from the end then a bit of Epsom Salts/CalMag and 1/4 strength bloom nutes is lots. Epsom salts supply some sulfur which can help finish up the resin glands so that would be my choice over CalMag tho you want a bit of Ca in there too. N,P,K, Mg and zinc are about the only mobile nutes so the tops can steal those from the rest of the plant if needed to finish up.
Tap water contributes to toxic salts buildup as well as nutes. The minerals in tap water are salts as well and as your plants drink up the water most of the minerals get left behind. If your RH is low like it is here most of the year then the plants drink a lot more water taking up more nutes than they can process so they store the excess in the leaves. First sign of that is the leaf edges curling up. Heat makes that worse.
Flushing is not going to fix this but will keep more salts from building up in the buds so fast. Doing a partial flush every once in a while or getting lots of runoff each time you water will help keep it from happening to your next crop. Feeding less will help too.
Good luck.