What Would an Evangelical Christian Country Be Like

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
the circle does not contain Mount Ararat.
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There was a better one I saw, but this will do for a quick google search and makes the point. Legend has it that Noah lived 10,000 YBP in what is now the black sea, probably near the shores of a lake. When the land dike in Turky breeched at the end of the last ice age and the sea rushed in Noah might have figured it out and built a boat in his back yard just in case!
 
DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
good try but no, sorry mate.....ever wonder why there are 5 oracles painted on the cistien(sp) chapel???
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You could include Rome too I suppose, since that was mentioned in the New Testament, they conquered the area about 60 years before Christ and Alexander the Great Hellenized the whole region 300 years before that. St Paul spent most of his time in southern Turkey which was Greek at the time culturally and his letters mentioned in the bible are from and for that region.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
You could include Rome too I suppose, since that was mentioned in the New Testament, they conquered the area about 60 years before Christ and Alexander the Great Hellenized the whole region 300 years before that. St Paul spent most of his time in southern Turkey which was Greek at the time culturally and his letters mentioned in the bible are from and for that region.
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these ladies were before that, we're talking Ancient Greece, but they go into Roman times....time frame is bascially 700BC to 400AD, and 400AD Phythia saw the coming of the man we call Jesus.....
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't see that hospitals have another choice...republicans pass insane laws without considering the consequences, and one of the consequences is that no doctor is willing to risk their professional life in your backwards hillbilly state.
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If they have anything to do with a pregnant woman, whether she wants to have a baby or not, if anything goes wrong like a miscarriage, they could be charged with murder by some psycho republican prosecutor. Good news, the pregnancy test came back positive, now find yourself another doctor and don't come back to my office. It's just too risky for me, good luck and I hope you are ok, if you are a republican pray a lot, my medical recommendation is to leave the state, here is a list of free states and that's all the law allows me to say.
 
Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
can you point to any religion that does not have at its core a mythology that is passed along with the cover letter “this is how things are”?
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Quite the question!

Among the MM, the Major Monotheisms? Certainly not: monotheisms are infamous for their submit-or-die ways of “spreading the good news”…and they very definitely have a tendency toward imposing mythologies (‘core stories’) on those expected to submit (not entirely unlike public opinion in Russia?). MMs are strong on swallowing the core story whole, without meaningful reflection, real brainwashing factories.

Otherwise, Taoism, perhaps Shinto; many emergent religions don’t hold rigid absolute beliefs in some impossible thing, they have stories about the world, about life, about where we come from, how we got here, but the stories (many of them) arise in a world where kids ask those questions, so the stories are born, evolve, elaborate, but are never “canon” in the way ‘westerners’ think. Emergent religions largely have strong cultural traditions, but their stories are teaching stories, mostly, about how to live, how to treat others, etc. they don’t dwell on the end of the world or gods mighty anger or eternal torment if you slip up. Recurring and enduring themes, rather than threats, bribes, & thunder some call The Word of God(tm).

prolly doesn’t answer your question all the way, but this is one area where context truly does matter
 
Bagginski

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Every organized religion in the entire world has always done more harm than good, and i doubt that will ever change.
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Isn’t there a thing about ‘the more sweeping a generalization, the more wrong it is’? Whether or not “it’s true” depends entirely on how YOU define “organized religion”: do they need world-domination to motivate them, or just a phone list? If they’re ‘organized enough’ to form a community for themselves, does that make them the same as those trying to take over a nation?

I personally don't have any use for any of them, i can think for myself, and don't need the advice of a "biblical expert".
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No prob, same here…but “biblical experts” only appear in a couple of the very most organized of religions…many religions have no use for The Bible - or for Bible substitutes. Your willingness or ability to distinguish them from each other is none of my affair

I do and will vote against anyone who claims to be guided by religion. I will vote for a "godder" if the alternative is a worse one, or to avoid a republican getting elected, but i consider a religious democrat to be dangerously close to a republican...not to be trusted, they've already given their allegiance to an organization that they will place higher than their government service.
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Same. IF they’ve given their allegiance to an organization, as you say, we’re on the same page…but only SOME religions impose such demands, not all.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Bagginski said:
Emergent religions largely have strong cultural traditions, but their stories are teaching stories, mostly, about how to live, how to treat others, etc. they don’t dwell on the end of the world or gods mighty anger or eternal torment if you slip up. Recurring and enduring themes, rather than threats, bribes, & thunder some call The Word of God(tm).
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how about we just tell our kids that stuff, without dressing it up as a deity and making them neurotic about an afterlife that more than likey doesn't exist?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Bagginski said:
Isn’t there a thing about ‘the more sweeping a generalization, the more wrong it is’? Whether or not “it’s true” depends entirely on how YOU define “organized religion”: do they need world-domination to motivate them, or just a phone list? If they’re ‘organized enough’ to form a community for themselves, does that make them the same as those trying to take over a nation?


No prob, same here…but “biblical experts” only appear in a couple of the very most organized of religions…many religions have no use for The Bible - or for Bible substitutes. Your willingness or ability to distinguish them from each other is none of my affair


Same. IF they’ve given their allegiance to an organization, as you say, we’re on the same page…but only SOME religions impose such demands, not all.
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i got NO use for ANY of them, at all, ever, anywhere...I can see NO good coming from them that isn't outweighed a thousand times or more by the harm they do, and the world would be a better place if that particular myth cycle had never arose.
If people want to persist in holding onto myths, that's their problem, and they should get no special treatment because they believe the stories in a book of fairy tales, no matter what name you put on that book.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
Quite the question!

Among the MM, the Major Monotheisms? Certainly not: monotheisms are infamous for their submit-or-die ways of “spreading the good news”…and they very definitely have a tendency toward imposing mythologies (‘core stories’) on those expected to submit (not entirely unlike public opinion in Russia?). MMs are strong on swallowing the core story whole, without meaningful reflection, real brainwashing factories.

Otherwise, Taoism, perhaps Shinto; many emergent religions don’t hold rigid absolute beliefs in some impossible thing, they have stories about the world, about life, about where we come from, how we got here, but the stories (many of them) arise in a world where kids ask those questions, so the stories are born, evolve, elaborate, but are never “canon” in the way ‘westerners’ think. Emergent religions largely have strong cultural traditions, but their stories are teaching stories, mostly, about how to live, how to treat others, etc. they don’t dwell on the end of the world or gods mighty anger or eternal torment if you slip up. Recurring and enduring themes, rather than threats, bribes, & thunder some call The Word of God(tm).

prolly doesn’t answer your question all the way, but this is one area where context truly does matter
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I would guess Taoism and the core of Buddhism (without the surface encrustation of ritual that the popular sort carries) are in a place between. They don’t have the jealous orthodoxies that mark religions of the book, but they don’t have a mechanism for revision/ amendment (or do they? I’m flying above my service ceiling on this one).
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
I would guess Taoism and the core of Buddhism (without the surface encrustation of ritual that the popular sort carries) are in a place between. They don’t have the jealous orthodoxies that mark religions of the book, but they don’t have a mechanism for revision/ amendment (or do they? I’m flying above my service ceiling on this one).
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I'm not particularly keen on any, but Taoism and buddhism seem like the best of a shitty lot, and not specifically designed to be shoved down the throats of non-believers until they're converted or dead...Jainism seems pretty harmless as well, i guess.
 
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