Whats happening in cali

I just feel that no matter what your stance is on dispensaries are, when you spend your hard earned money at these establishments you are making a choice. If you feel that any MMJ establishments are not fulfilling their obligations (IE providing compassionate care and services) than I urge you to go to find a place you approve of or GROW YOUR OWN MEDICINE! It's my personal belief that some clubs are profiting financially but in my minds eye as long as they pay their taxes than who the heck cares. P.S. For those of you who refer to petty name calling to make your point I say, Really? I mean really?!

I've talked to a couple clubs about this and they are pretty calm about it. They say others will be shut down but that their's won't be. I guess there are a lot of clubs running partially illegally.

M.Swills said:

I've talked to a couple clubs about this and they are pretty calm about it. They say others will be shut down but that their's won't be. I guess there are a lot of clubs running partially illegally.

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and i laugh at them.. there doors will be shut down also...

the feds are going to raid a few clubs,There will be law suits filed against the feds and they will stop the raids. There on a power trip that won't last very long.

Just say the DEA goes into a dispensary raiding spree, starting in November, and week after week, dozens upon dozens of dispensaries get shutdown. As a result , a lot of dispensaries close up in fear, and suppose the DEA keeps going on with the raids like never before with no stop in sight.Fast forward from now after all this has happened- With the supply of MMJ now limited because of all of these actions and very very few dispensaries to be found, it would seem like this would be a huge plus for the small time mom n' pop basement and bedroom growers to really cash in on the disappearance of dispensaries. Your mom n pop MMJ grower is way harder to find and stop because they don't operate out of a storefront with a sign and can't be found in the yellow pages.

This move by the DEA, if they take it that far will cause MMJ to go back underground but IT WILL NOT disappear. If anything , the huge rented warehouse grows will just be replaced by people going back into houses to grow. Prices will go up for a while initially when the dispensaries start disappearing but when the mom n' pop house grows start going up everywhere and after a while the price will go back down when there's an over-saturation of mom n pop grows and the supply is everywhere.

If a mom n' pop MMJ grower was looking to make some money, and the Feds are serious about a hardcore invasion shutdown and they start hitting the MMJ shops in mass ,week after week, then a mom n' pop grower could make some money right after the Feds go into action.

I have mixed personal feelings about it, I hate to see the dispensaries charge the outrageous prices they charge , I also hate to see the DEA put people into prison and take all their property.It's a cycle that should've never existed but it needs to be broken. Legalization MUST BE doggedly fought for.I dream of just one state seceding from the Union, that's all it will take to set the domino effect into action.With 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated , we are not in the Land Of The Free. There will come a time when the economy will collapse and we will see a repeat of the 1930's but it will be magnified many times over.What happens then to marijuana users? Will we see tent city jails with razor-wire fences around them being put up nationwide?

See, I never thought the dispensaries charged outrageous prices. Before it became "legal", street weed (same kind/quality the dispensaries have) cost pretty much the same as it now does in a storefront

obijohn said:

See, I never thought the dispensaries charged outrageous prices. Before it became "legal", street weed (same kind/quality the dispensaries have) cost pretty much the same as it now does in a storefront

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A straight out RE-legalization ,taking things back to just like it was pre-1937 ,with no medical designation attached to it, meaning anyone could use it, possess it, grow it, with no need for a bullshit permit is what the goal should be for the masses. This is how it should be, but it will NEVER be this way. When legalization comes ,there will be some sort of regulation involved most likely requiring a high dollar grow permit with strings attached.

That's really another issue, but a total legalization would cause prices to drop. No MMJ grower that grows to make big money wants total legalization to happen,they want it as it is, where they can make $250 an oz. or better, versus a total legalization dropping an oz. down to $100 or maybe even less.

This is where I have mixed feelings about people who are in MMJ for money. I'm glad I can grow my own, I go through 2 oz.'s a month, where I'm at an oz. of top grade MMJ is $250-$300, even at $500 a month, that's just too much. Total legalization for ALL would at the least cut the price in half or likely lower.Why would it drop ? Because with the restrictions and regulations gone, it would start popping up ALL OVER. All the users that hesitated to grow would now start growing. The fear of arrest would be non-existent.Supply would sky-rocket ,resulting in a massive price decrease. Closet grows,Bedroom grows,Patio grows,Greenhouse grows, Backyard garden grows, would all go into mass increase. As a result, of that happening, the days of $250 an oz would be long gone. With a massive flooding of supply and no need for stealth and security, there would be no more big money for MMJ dispensaries.

I don't call it "legal" either though I have a doctor's recommendation in a MMJ state. I won't be glad either when the DEA starts shutting down the MMJ dispensaries , I hate the oppressive Govt actions. I want to see the MMJ dispensaries disappear on their own decision because they can't compete with a flooding out pour of so many mom n' pop grows that the price of super high quality sells for less than $100 an oz. This is how I would like to see the dispensaries disappear, from a total legalization dropping the prices so low that they cannot make big money.

Rick Simpson, a Canadian that grew massive outdoor fields and would make hash oil to give to cancer patients said in an interview that if drug laws had never existed, a pound of herb would be similar in price comparison to buying a pound of sugar,flour,salt. It would be basically worthless. I hope to see the day come in my life when the laws get wiped off the books and there are so many grows everywhere that this plant gets re-introduced to growing in the wild without the help of man and we get land-race strains again on U.S. soil and giving someone an oz. of herb would be compared to giving them a sack of tomatoes because it will be everywhere.

I can promise you more than just the to the note guys will be shut down, you can dream, hey! we can all dream. but in the end. it is all gonna be shut down.

TogTokes said:

I can promise you more than just the to the note guys will be shut down, you can dream, hey! we can all dream. but in the end. it is all gonna be shut down.

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TogTokes said:

I can promise you more than just the to the note guys will be shut down, you can dream, hey! we can all dream. but in the end. it is all gonna be shut down.

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I'm not sure the FEDs have the power to shut down a multibillion dollar industry because they feel like it. Money does have power.

I have personaly talked to 6 dispensaries in my area that I vend too and none of them have received a letter. Atleast not yet. The other dispensary that I supply got raided last week by feds but just opened up again this week.

I actually hope they close some of the dispensaries. Many of them r being run very shady and for 100% profitt. Every dispensary I deal with does it by the book. You guys have to admit that 5 dispensaries with a Half mile radius is just redicolous. People are taking advantage of the law to make profit.

So hopefully this is just anohter tactic the feds are using to scare the clubs into shutting down. I guess well just have to wait and see what happens in the next month or so.

Just like Tree of Liberty said. If they do shut down the dispensaries, all the patients will be coming straight to us growers! Im cool with that

lostNug said:

I actually hope they close some of the dispensaries. Many of them r being run very shady and for 100% profitt. Every dispensary I deal with does it by the book. You guys have to admit that 5 dispensaries with a Half mile radius is just redicolous. People are taking advantage of the law to make profit.

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I'd argue that they are shady because the rules force them to be shady. It's pretty much the only business in America where you aren't allowed to make deduct things like payroll and rent from your taxes. I'd bet dispensary owners pay a higher portion of their income in taxes than any other people in the country. If a dispensary plays by the rules, they'd go out of business.

And why shouldn't they be able to make a profit? Everyone else is allowed to make a profit, why not them? When I go to the doctor that doctor makes a profit off of my visit. When a doctor writes you a prescription both the pharmacy and the pill company makes a profit. Should dispensary owners really have to play by a different set of rules than everyone else?

No dispensaries should be shut down unless they are involved in some sort of unrelated violent criminal activity. TBH I wouldn't even care if drug cartels opened a dispensary. If they want to start selling their products through a store in a non-violent way, isn't that better for society?

I just hope this unities the dispensaries in a way that gives them a national political voice. They've got the money to stand up together if they choose to.

The rules don't force them to be shady. Because other clubs can run by the book and others can't shows that its possible otherwise all the clubs would be run shady.

I agree with you on the profit. of course there has to be some kind of profit but That's why I said 100% profit, so pretty much the intention of the dispensary is to solely make money and not help patients. Which is the case in many of socal clubs.

lostNug said:

The rules don't force them to be shady. Because other clubs can run by the book and others can't shows that its possible otherwise all the clubs would be run shady.

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How do you know clubs are being run by the books? Maybe they are just better at looking like they are being run by the books. Are those "by the book" clubs paying their vendors with stacks of $20 bills like almost every club does? Are they asking their vendors to fill out tax info? If not, it's highly likely they aren't as "by the book" as you think.

Even clubs that do those things often employ tricks like creating a for profit LLC and then having that LLC buy/lease the building, then have the non-profit club rent from the LLC at a huge profit. They do the same thing with non-cannabis related supplies. They purchase them through a for profit LLC and then have the non-profit dispensary buy them at a jacked up price. They put family members on the payroll as "consultants" in order to not personally take too high a salary from the company.

Even if you have access to the companies ledgers and tax returns, you still would probably not be able to tell if they are doing these tricks.

There is no way to tell which clubs are "playing by the rules" and which are "shady" based on a vibe they give off. If they are at all good at what they do they'll be pulling as much money as they can out of the club while trying to give off a "playing by the rules" vibe.

I only know of one collective that truly "plays by the rules". They are the oldest and most reputable collective in California (WAMM). They've had to dramatically reduce the services they've given out and the hours they operate because they are on the verge of bankruptcy.

Every other club I know of is cutting corners somewhere. Some cover their tracks better than others, but they all do it as far as I know.

I agree with you on the profit. of course there has to be some kind of profit but That's why I said 100% profit, so pretty much the intention of the dispensary is to solely make money and not help patients. Which is the case in many of socal clubs.

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The primary reason any business exists is to make money. You can have other goals, like helping people as a secondary priority, but top priority is always to have a stable and successful business. Sure, there are going to be clubs that value nothing but money, and some good ones that do care about helping people. That's almost impossible to control though. It's also not the reason prices are so high at dispensaries. The problem there is regulations + lack of competition. If clubs were able to operate for profit and unrestricted bud prices would be lower than the current non-profit low competition system we have.

The whole medical marijuana system we have is designed to make people who are involved with MMJ look like criminals.

Dan Kone said:

The whole medical marijuana system we have is designed to make people who are involved with MMJ look like criminals.

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i think you are wrong with this saying.. its the growers who are opperating ilegally that make the MMJ program look and us like criminals.

mygirls said:

i think you are wrong with this saying.. its the growers who are opperating ilegally that make the MMJ program look and us like criminals.

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Growers too. But everyone really. All the laws are designed so cops can make people out to be criminals and throw them in jail when ever they want.

what if you grow your own medical pot will this also be a violation.or does it only apply to the dispensaries.

Our politicians have ruined our economy and our nation .They are corrupt liars and thieves and now they are telling us what we can do or not do what a bunch of idiots.

there is another issue here besides the current raids - have you guys noticed the thing that happened one day before the raids started? the IRS ruled that the cannabusiness is 'Trafficking in Illegal Substances' and therefore, under anti-kingpin codes, cannot deduct payroll, rent. etc on their taxes, as they are operating an illegal enterprise. that means that every single store front or co-operative will have to either shut down or somehow go completely non-profit. there is a bill introduced in congress already to stop it, but it is just backed by the usuals, Frank and Paul.

ford442 said:

there is another issue here besides the current raids - have you guys noticed the thing that happened one day before the raids started? the IRS ruled that the cannabusiness is 'Trafficking in Illegal Substances' and therefore, under anti-kingpin codes, cannot deduct payroll, rent. etc on their taxes, as they are operating an illegal enterprise. that means that every single store front or co-operative will have to either shut down or somehow go completely non-profit. there is a bill introduced in congress already to stop it, but it is just backed by the usuals, Frank and Paul.

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here in oregon our clubs were none proffit and still got shut down..