whats up with them? plz, some words of wiseness

hey a call to all holders of grow experience, hoping for some speedy advice. my cheese plants are in 5th week of flowering sitting in a nice soil mix under a 600w hps. several larger fan leaves started turning pale and yellow 5 days ago. its gotten noticeably worse daily, alot of leaves are turning now and brown spots n blotches on a select few. leaves that have turned yellow have died, shrivelled. not good.
possibly over fed, 5 days ago but theyve only been watered since, no nutes and i think there still getting worse.

few opinions already but i don't want to misdiagnose and treat them wrong. please have a look...

Root bound, and the pots being too small is causing salt build up ,flush then repot.

How old are they since 12:12? Or have u counted since the budding started? They look they are draining N and finishing off. Can't see a close up of brown spots but on the whole that's what the plant looks like.

they are fine at this stage of the game.....DO not repot at this stage ....really, it could go horribly wrong...let it take its corse,learn from it and use a bigger container in the future

there 5 weeks since light change, bud took a week and a day or 2 from that. i have bigger pots now though. 3/4 weeks left it looks like its gettin worse to me, i feel to do something.

They look fine. Whenever my plants flower, some leaves turn yellow and fall off. Its normal.

prem511 said:

there 5 weeks since light change, bud took a week and a day or 2 from that. i have bigger pots now though. 3/4 weeks left it looks like its gettin worse to me, i feel to do something.

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No way man. Just let them finish, they're fine. You normally get a lot of yellowing, and some shiveling after week 5. It varies by strain, but some girls lose just about all their vegetation before they ripen! If you are worried about spots ( i don't see them) then go real easy on your ferts, and nutes, but I wouldn't do anything with these girls but finish them.

Good luck, and be patient, sometimes less is more.

Cheese is notorious for being a light feeder, I've grown a lot of it in the past and take it very easy on the feeding. The numerous hybrids usually have a better tolerance though.

*BUDS said:

Root bound, and the pots being too small is causing salt build up ,flush then repot.

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At week five? Did you even look at the pics? Rootbound, huh? Repot them at week 5 of flower when they look pretty tasty? Terrible advice man, I don't think you know what you are talking about man. We can barely even see the containers, but you're calling them rootbound, and telling the dude to transplant at week 5 or 6? Absolutely ridiculous, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you aren't helping anybody here. What I see in the pics is very normal for some strains post week 5 of flowering.

once them pistils show mate, fuck the leaves, a lot of peeps wont agree, but the plant just wants to bud, not concentrate on leaves which are worthless when it thinks its dying.

alright guys cheers for the advice i did for a split second think it could be normal once buds start to swell. there are a few brown spots on leaves but very few, that wasn't really the problem. i'll definitely leave thm be, carry on with normal feed too. damn i feel like iv missed out on a week of stressing. they do seem to stunted growth i guess thats pretty normal at around week 5 too?

i have some bigger pots like i said, im going to use them in future. there about 8 litres i think. i have some 15 litre buckets ready.

first grow, still learning. came to the right place. appreciate the replys

prem511 said:

they do seem to stunted growth i guess thats pretty normal at around week 5 too?

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Yeah bro, in fact once a girl is done with the initial stretch they dont grow vertically at all, and they all but stop making new leaves. Now obviously like everything else some strains are sightly different, but these plants have a fast life. Think about it like this; They veg fast, an inch a day for a couple weeks, then in 12/12 they double their size in 14-20 more days. After that they just make buds. The plant is programmed to not give a shit about those leaves once the buds come on (more so for indicas). In the later life stages those leaves are more storehouses for the plant than they are manufacturers. The plant literally sucks the green right out of them in it's attempts to reproduce before it dies.


edit- for future reference I couldn't see your pots clearly, but they look like plants deserving 2-1/2 to 3 gallon containers.

DankShasta said:

Yeah bro, in fact once a girl is done with the initial stretch they dont grow vertically at all. Now obviously like everything else some strains are sightly different, but these plants have a fast life. Think about it like this; They veg fast, an inch a day for a couple weeks, then in 12/12 they double there size in 14-20 more days. After that they just make buds. The plant is programmed to not give a shit about those leaves once the buds come on (more so for indicas). In the later life stages those leaves are more storehouses for the plant than they are manufacturers. The plant literally sucks the green right out of them in it's attempts to reproduce before it dies.


edit- for future reference I couldn't see your pots clearly, but they look like plants deserving 2-1/2 to 3 gallon containers.

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or bigger, and drill hundreds of tiny wholes in the sides to air prune mate. it works.

Just to add to the re-potting comments earlier, I think it is not advisable to re-pot during flowering. i don't even do this in my natural garden. The last re-pot is in the veg period, even if it is the same day as 12:12. The last pruning is 2-3 weeks after 12:12. Then - leave them alone !!!

prem511 said:

alright guys cheers for the advice i did for a split second think it could be normal once buds start to swell. there are a few brown spots on leaves but very few, that wasn't really the problem. i'll definitely leave thm be, carry on with normal feed too. damn i feel like iv missed out on a week of stressing. they do seem to stunted growth i guess thats pretty normal at around week 5 too?

i have some bigger pots like i said, im going to use them in future. there about 8 litres i think. i have some 15 litre buckets ready.

first grow, still learning. came to the right place. appreciate the replys

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dont repot them, they look fine, actually quite good... you look like you have proper bud growth and everything... with smaller pots you'll just have to water more often as the root mass will engulf the entire pot and just means you'll have to water more often, but no harm done...

if you are interested in keeping the leaves a little greener to last throughout flowering just give it like a very small feeding of like 2-5% N which should def carry it out for the next month...

good luck and enjoy the grow

Have you checked the run off ph? Looks to me as a nitrogen deficiency possible micro nutrient def also. The pots being smaller cause the roots to wrap the soild tightly which can lead basically to nutrient lock and the tight soil isnt alloing the nutrient salts to run off when Not used. How often do you flsuh with fresh water? What is the waters ph before it goes in?

yea they have come on well, thanks alot man. my regular feed should provide this dosage, are you suggesting a N supplement?

FilthyFletch said:

Have you checked the run off ph? Looks to me as a nitrogen deficiency possible micro nutrient def also. The pots being smaller cause the roots to wrap the soild tightly which can lead basically to nutrient lock and the tight soil isnt alloing the nutrient salts to run off when Not used. How often do you flsuh with fresh water? What is the waters ph before it goes in?

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local growers have said the water in the area is ideal as is. so i havnt invested in any ph testing equipment. i flushed at the start of flowering and they get fresh water in between their feed and regularly in between. i had a nutrient lock problem at the start of flowering hence the flush. it was due to bad drainage, bad soil mix, small pots etc