Thanks guys, just going to scrap them, i think its some soil issue, the were top cuts taken from a healthy 6 month old mother, the first 2 pic show the soil to look very wet buth had only been watered 10 mins before... they were only just potted on 1 week previous and were really healthy before... no cat or high wind or gooey at bass.... the center of the stalk seams to have changed to a cork (from a bottle) like looking material... they still look healthy but fuck it... sick plants give shit yields... was more just curious to see what i was doing wrong... thanks again... chris