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chuckbane

New Member
STILL WAITING

Here,, a short list of things that have never had retort

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
"how can a salesperson "force" a person to buy something they don't want?"

by manipulation. if you didnt need to force people to buy things you would be out a job.

and guess what Vi, i want you to keep replying, it makes me laugh and gives me something to do while my woman is at work, go on, lets play this game, im good at games and i always win.

i just thought i would tell you to put me back on block FOR YOUR OWN sake. oh well... when i get some more time i might go through all your threads and point out every dumb thing you say.... might take while though

laughs


i gave him my answer to his question

"how can a salesperson "force" a person to buy something they don't want?"

and this is all i got back

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
While your "woman is at work?" Typical fucking socialist ... living off of your woman's teat. :lol:

Vi


what a joke, way to avoid the topic or make any meaningful retort Vi

here is another

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
yea either that or i work my ass of all day and she works a few hours iv the evening some nights... you know, same thing.
and you of all shouldnt talk about work if you are a "real estate sales man". that is a weak mans job. do you know how you can tell you are a greedy POS? because if no one in your industry existed it would not matter. In fact it would be a better world.
We dont NEED people to "sell" houses. Houses sell themselves. People NEED to live in houses.

Your job is weak

your argument is weak

you have nothing but your big mouth and your 13 stripes so fuck off :finger:

just like i am a "neo-marxis" because i want equality, a better government, less greed and corruption and a better protection agency for our environment.

I dont follow any "path" Vi, I'm not like you. I have decided what is right and what is wrong by my own reasoning., try it sometime, you may like it.

Nice copy and past Btw, makes you look wayyyyyy intelligent


i basically told him his existence is useless because his job is a joke..

lets see what he has to say


Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
chucky-Bunns sez:

"just like i am a "neo-marxis" because i want equality"

OK, let's disperse with the personal attacks, Chucky. Let's get down to the nitty gritty here. Please define what you mean by "equality," and state how you would attain this "equality" if you were in charge. Thanks ...

Vi


instead of replying he just want me to explain everything. because he cant figure out what a word means without someone walking him trough it... Great salmesman tactics vi...
Great touch with the Chucky Bunns... makes you sound about 10.

so i gave him a nice and simple definition so that even a 10 year old such as himself could understand

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
wow, if you need a definition for the word equality you are even dumber than i thought.

Equality.
Equal Quality for All
EQUALity, EQUALITY, EquALity.

Very simple. Or do I need to dumb it down another notch for you?


and he came back with nothing.. again... this is all he can say "your argument sucks but i cant debate it!"

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just as I thought ... another empty suit.

Come on, Man ... you can do better that that. Tell us how YOU see "equality" and how you would attain that "equality" if you were in charge. Come on Chucky-Bunns ... You can do it ... I know you can. :lol:

Vi


look, he is asking me to explain something again! trying to learn something old-boy?

look he used chucky bunns again,, a defense mechanism to make him feel better when he is getting his ass kicked verbally

another,,
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
i think this thread is more suitable for you Vi,,
Christian Forums
these are very ignorant poeple just like yourself. They force their old and "un-thought" beliefs on people who dont care just like you. You would fit in just nice. You can talk about the old days when everyone was the same and it was perfect. When people belived what they were told. When people didnt think for themselves..

Where were you in the 60's Vi?.. did you miss that whole movement or did you "put it on block" like you did to me?

man up pussy,, you are nothing more than a blank.


i compared him to a Christian. thats tends to be an insult umoung smarter people tody.

lets see what he says

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
"Where were you in the 60's Vi?.. "

While you were busy burning Bank of America buildings down, I was working in the real world busting my ass in a commissioned sales job in order to support a wife, two kids, and a home.

Yeppers, while you were doing your best to destroy the free market and capitalism, I was busy setting goals and getting my life in order.

By the way, Chuckie-Bunns ... has anyone ever told you that your Birkenstocks stink? Time for a new pair, junior. bongsmilie

Vi


I asked him where he was in the 60's, and he TOLD me what i was doing. YUP, thats exactly what Vi does. Tells them how it is,, without knowing first hand.
"By the way, Chuckie-Bunns ... has anyone ever told you that your Birkenstocks stink? Time for a new pair, junior."
and more pathetic insults


even more!
here is me :grin:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
so the environment has no right? the one and only thing substaining life doesnt have rights?

you are just here to make a fucking mess of the world and you dont give a shit

take your liberties and shove em

they are another reason shit just keeps getting worse.

And that dick Obama isnt going to do any better but unforyunately a lot of peoples attitude toward that is that he is "the lesser of two evils"
which is very true.

just trying to point that out.

you are so focused on these ridiculous "liberties" such as polluting hwoever much you want, that you have lost sight of what is really important.. you are so selfish that the only thing you care is about is yourself and now.

You want it big and you want it now. No care for the long term effects, no care for the environment, no care for equality, just as long as your lazzy ass can sit pretty and easy



then all you shits have the nerve to try and deny a womans rights.. wtf? where are you? like fuck! you have your head screwed right the fuck on backwards

AND JUST A NOTE: THIS THREAD IS NOT DIRECTED PERSONALLY AT VIREDD... IT IS DIRECTED AT EVERY PERSON WHO IS LIKE HIM (including himself of course)


and here is the "retort".. note that i asked a question right at the beggining of the post... he didnt have to read the whole thing to see the question.

But...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
Is this the "material" you've given me to work with? :lol: Dude ... you need to take your religious rants elsewhere.

Vi



This is where TheBrutalTrth "stepped in" for Vi

He likes to use random shit to ramble on for ever so people just get bored reading this talking textbook.



so now you can see for yourself how ridiculous you sound
 

ccodiane

New Member
And you are one ignorant american

and I am confused you are right

confused as to why people who smoke pot are denying someones right to choose.

confused as to why in a age of intellect and information we still have idiots like you running around thinking they "are the shit"

confused why there hasnt been any change yet

confused as to why people let the gov. run their life and make thier decisions

confused as to why people can think for themselves but instead let the "constitution" do all their thinking.

very confused very confused

shed some light for me
Seriously? Here it is, in a nutshell. In the history of humanity, many social experiments have been tried. What we now experience in the "west" is the culmination of this social research. God bless America and her founding. Socialism is for the toppled giants of the past and the future. Your outdated ideas, equality of outcome based, foster nothing but tyranny. Let the people make the laws which will regulate their behavior. Let the people make the laws they are to suffer under. This is the only way we can remove them, our laws, if we decide we have suffered enough under them, and wish to shed them for something new.
 

chuckbane

New Member
Seriously? Here it is, in a nutshell. In the history of humanity, many social experiments have been tried. What we now experience in the "west" is the culmination of this social research. God bless America and her founding. Socialism is for the toppled giants of the past and the future. Your outdated ideas, equality of outcome based, foster nothing but tyranny. Let the people make the laws which will regulate their behavior. Let the people make the laws they are to suffer under. This is the only way we can remove them, our laws, if we decide we have suffered enough under them, and wish to shed them for something new.
yup, this is what your governemnt has led you to believe. That there is no better way. because they only know of one way and that is the old way. And if you want change they won't be able to do it because they are too stuck in the old ways. So they keep you all the same and force this "God Bless America" horsheshit down your patriotic throats to keep your vote... and fuckers like you just gobble that shit up because you need an answer.

and its a lot easier to believe than it is to reason


p.s. im also confused why you republicans have run the country into a shithole... mind answering me that one?
 

ccodiane

New Member
STILL WAITING

Here,, a short list of things that have never had retort

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
"how can a salesperson "force" a person to buy something they don't want?"

by manipulation. if you didnt need to force people to buy things you would be out a job.

and guess what Vi, i want you to keep replying, it makes me laugh and gives me something to do while my woman is at work, go on, lets play this game, im good at games and i always win.

i just thought i would tell you to put me back on block FOR YOUR OWN sake. oh well... when i get some more time i might go through all your threads and point out every dumb thing you say.... might take while though

laughs


i gave him my answer to his question

"how can a salesperson "force" a person to buy something they don't want?"

and this is all i got back

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
While your "woman is at work?" Typical fucking socialist ... living off of your woman's teat. :lol:

Vi


what a joke, way to avoid the topic or make any meaningful retort Vi

here is another

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
yea either that or i work my ass of all day and she works a few hours iv the evening some nights... you know, same thing.
and you of all shouldnt talk about work if you are a "real estate sales man". that is a weak mans job. do you know how you can tell you are a greedy POS? because if no one in your industry existed it would not matter. In fact it would be a better world.
We dont NEED people to "sell" houses. Houses sell themselves. People NEED to live in houses.

Your job is weak

your argument is weak

you have nothing but your big mouth and your 13 stripes so fuck off :finger:

just like i am a "neo-marxis" because i want equality, a better government, less greed and corruption and a better protection agency for our environment.

I dont follow any "path" Vi, I'm not like you. I have decided what is right and what is wrong by my own reasoning., try it sometime, you may like it.

Nice copy and past Btw, makes you look wayyyyyy intelligent


i basically told him his existence is useless because his job is a joke..

lets see what he has to say


Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
chucky-Bunns sez:

"just like i am a "neo-marxis" because i want equality"

OK, let's disperse with the personal attacks, Chucky. Let's get down to the nitty gritty here. Please define what you mean by "equality," and state how you would attain this "equality" if you were in charge. Thanks ...

Vi


instead of replying he just want me to explain everything. because he cant figure out what a word means without someone walking him trough it... Great salmesman tactics vi...
Great touch with the Chucky Bunns... makes you sound about 10.

so i gave him a nice and simple definition so that even a 10 year old such as himself could understand

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
wow, if you need a definition for the word equality you are even dumber than i thought.

Equality.
Equal Quality for All
EQUALity, EQUALITY, EquALity.

Very simple. Or do I need to dumb it down another notch for you?


and he came back with nothing.. again... this is all he can say "your argument sucks but i cant debate it!"

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just as I thought ... another empty suit.

Come on, Man ... you can do better that that. Tell us how YOU see "equality" and how you would attain that "equality" if you were in charge. Come on Chucky-Bunns ... You can do it ... I know you can. :lol:

Vi


look, he is asking me to explain something again! trying to learn something old-boy?

look he used chucky bunns again,, a defense mechanism to make him feel better when he is getting his ass kicked verbally

another,,
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
i think this thread is more suitable for you Vi,,
Christian Forums
these are very ignorant poeple just like yourself. They force their old and "un-thought" beliefs on people who dont care just like you. You would fit in just nice. You can talk about the old days when everyone was the same and it was perfect. When people belived what they were told. When people didnt think for themselves..

Where were you in the 60's Vi?.. did you miss that whole movement or did you "put it on block" like you did to me?

man up pussy,, you are nothing more than a blank.


i compared him to a Christian. thats tends to be an insult umoung smarter people tody.

lets see what he says

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
"Where were you in the 60's Vi?.. "

While you were busy burning Bank of America buildings down, I was working in the real world busting my ass in a commissioned sales job in order to support a wife, two kids, and a home.

Yeppers, while you were doing your best to destroy the free market and capitalism, I was busy setting goals and getting my life in order.

By the way, Chuckie-Bunns ... has anyone ever told you that your Birkenstocks stink? Time for a new pair, junior. bongsmilie

Vi


I asked him where he was in the 60's, and he TOLD me what i was doing. YUP, thats exactly what Vi does. Tells them how it is,, without knowing first hand.
"By the way, Chuckie-Bunns ... has anyone ever told you that your Birkenstocks stink? Time for a new pair, junior."
and more pathetic insults


even more!
here is me :grin:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbane
so the environment has no right? the one and only thing substaining life doesnt have rights?

you are just here to make a fucking mess of the world and you dont give a shit

take your liberties and shove em

they are another reason shit just keeps getting worse.

And that dick Obama isnt going to do any better but unforyunately a lot of peoples attitude toward that is that he is "the lesser of two evils"
which is very true.

just trying to point that out.

you are so focused on these ridiculous "liberties" such as polluting hwoever much you want, that you have lost sight of what is really important.. you are so selfish that the only thing you care is about is yourself and now.

You want it big and you want it now. No care for the long term effects, no care for the environment, no care for equality, just as long as your lazzy ass can sit pretty and easy



then all you shits have the nerve to try and deny a womans rights.. wtf? where are you? like fuck! you have your head screwed right the fuck on backwards

AND JUST A NOTE: THIS THREAD IS NOT DIRECTED PERSONALLY AT VIREDD... IT IS DIRECTED AT EVERY PERSON WHO IS LIKE HIM (including himself of course)


and here is the "retort".. note that i asked a question right at the beggining of the post... he didnt have to read the whole thing to see the question.

But...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
Is this the "material" you've given me to work with? :lol: Dude ... you need to take your religious rants elsewhere.

Vi



This is where TheBrutalTrth "stepped in" for Vi

He likes to use random shit to ramble on for ever so people just get bored reading this talking textbook.



so now you can see for yourself how ridiculous you sound
So, now you can see for yourself how ridiculous you sound?
 

ccodiane

New Member
yup, this is what your governemnt has led you to believe. That there is no better way. because they only know of one way and that is the old way. And if you want change they won't be able to do it because they are too stuck in the old ways. So they keep you all the same and force this "God Bless America" horsheshit down your patriotic throats to keep your vote... and fuckers like you just gobble that shit up because you need an answer.

and its a lot easier to believe than it is to reason
I say God bless America to separate the wheat from the chaff, chaff.
 

chuckbane

New Member
i left the U.S. for a good and well thought out reason. In search of a better life. And i found one!

it may not be perfect but i know there is a better way because i am living it... and there is even a better way then we here are doing it... but we do a good damn job without your bullshit "constitution"
 

ccodiane

New Member
i left the U.S. for a good and well thought out reason. In search of a better life. And i found one!

it may not be perfect but i know there is a better way... and there is even a better way then we here are doing it... but we do a good damn job without your bullshit "constitution"
Do you always walk "forward" looking back over your shoulder? Sad really.

PS- Can you make me a short-list. I'll knock that damn thing out of the park!
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
i left the U.S. for a good and well thought out reason. In search of a better life. And i found one!

it may not be perfect but i know there is a better way because i am living it... and there is even a better way then we here are doing it... but we do a good damn job without your bullshit "constitution"
Alright, I am kind of skipping pages here but I'll jump in.

Whats bullshit about the constitution again?
 

chuckbane

New Member
see what i mean,, call in the fucking cavalry you pussies,,, you m,ay have the numbers but i have the tools.

all most of you have done is say "fuck you chuck, you are wrong, my government told me so!"

good for all of you but i won this one and I am retiring as the CHAMP


Pro-life -> -1
Pro-choice -> +1
 

ccodiane

New Member
see what i mean,, call in the fucking cavalry you pussies,,, you m,ay have the numbers but i have the tools.

all most of you have done is say "fuck you chuck, you are wrong, my government told me so!"

good for all of you but i won this one and I am retiring as the CHAMP


Pro-life - 0
Pro-choice - 1
Pro choice, -1? At least you score fair.
 

dknob

New Member
Yeah I won because I said I won and its all about winning isnt it, cause I make up the facts and the rules to fit my own opinions like ChuckBane.

Me +100,000,000,000,000 (Champion of the world, God amongst mankind)
ChuckBane -1,000,000,000 (Pussy that is too weak minded to accept facts)
 

chuckbane

New Member
Yeah I won because I said I won and its all about winning isnt it, cause I make up the facts and the rules to fit my own opinions like ChuckBane.

Me +100,000,000,000,000 (Champion of the world, God amongst mankind)
ChuckBane -1,000,000,000 (Pussy that is too weak minded to accept facts)
hey door knob, lets see these facts.

NOW
 

dknob

New Member
Life is life, fact.

How do I prove something so simple to you? Ask any doctor when life begins, he will not tell you "whenever you decide it is life". Thats the purpose of this thread "When does life begin". Is your seedling plant life if it hasnt popped up above the soil? And if it isnt life, how does it get to the top of the soil? If it is not alive, what is pushing or pulling it? If a deer is born with nobody but the mother around to see it, is it not life until someone decides that it is? This is what I mean by "You are delusional". Everyone can have there opinions, but for you go one step further and attempt to convince people of the incorrect notion that the mother decides what is life and that living things are not alive is completely preposterous.

Do you drink a lot of tap water?
 

dknob

New Member
"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]
 

dknob

New Member
Definition of the word "life":
the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.

If we found floating suspended animation Zygotes on another planet, scientists would say "We have found life on Mars" or wherever.


You cant change the facts to fit your opinions, you have to accept the truth no matter your opinions.
 
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