When people say “ __ weeks into veg”

xtsho

xtsho

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Billy the Mountain said:
The only consistent and unambiguous measure of veg length is days from germination. Wet paper towel until the tail pokes out, plant seed and start the clock. Similarly, flower time should start at the 12/12 flip rather than some subjective measure of when flowers appear.
The number is largely irrelevant since the plant will dictate when to flip or chop, not the calendar. But if we're gonna use numbers its important to have the same starting point.
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Why is it important to have the same starting point? I don't care how long other people veg for or how long it takes for their plants flower. I don't even keep track of mine. Some may care about weeks this and that. I use a different measurement.

For veg I go by size
For flower I go by when the plant is done

One thing is certain. Breeder claims are usually wrong and cause the dude marking a date on their calendar to harvest early. You have to feel sorry for the first time grower anxious to smoke some of his first harvest asking if his plants are done and when told another 3 weeks they come back with "But it says it's an 8 week strain" and today is 8 weeks according to my calendar. They never like to hear that answer.
 
Billy the Mountain

Billy the Mountain

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xtsho said:
Why is it important to have the same starting point? I don't care how long other people veg for or how long it takes for their plants flower. I don't even keep track of mine. Some may care about weeks this and that. I use a different measurement.

For veg I go by size
For flower I go by when the plant is done

One thing is certain. Breeder claims are usually wrong and cause the dude marking a date on their calendar to harvest early. You have to feel sorry for the first time grower anxious to smoke some of his first harvest asking if his plants are done and when told another 3 weeks they come back with "But it says it's an 8 week strain" and today is 8 weeks according to my calendar. They never like to hear that answer.
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I agree that the number is not important and the plant will dictate when to flip or chop. I'm simply suggesting that if one is going to state X number of days, we should be referring to the same scale.
 
Towelie29

Towelie29

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A.k.a said:
I’m surprised there’s not a standard time frame.

It’s crazy two people will both say “I vegged six weeks” but ones plant will be two weeks older.
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I dont even pay attention to that, when it's time for 12/12 it's pretty obvious. I dont really get it, because different lights and setups can speed or slow the veg process.
 
A

A.k.a

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The main reason to keep track imo is to gauge your progress speed wise, assuming you’re using the same plants.

It’s mainly just a new grower thing where I want to keep tabs on everything and make sure it’s moving right until I get a feel for it.

I don’t get why anybody would harvest early on purpose, if you’re gonna put so much time and effort into something why blow it on the last 5% lol.

If trichomes didn’t exist I could see people wanting to rely on grower estimates but since you can check for yourself it’s irrelevant now besides a rough estimate.


I’m after some knock you down coma weed. The most exciting part of this for me is being able to harvest it at different times and see how it compares to the stuff I’ve been smoking forever.

I can’t wait to try some some super long flower buds.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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I don’t get why anybody would harvest early on purpose, if you’re gonna put so much time and effort into something why blow it on the last 5% lol.

If trichomes didn’t exist I could see people wanting to rely on grower estimates but since you can check for yourself it’s irrelevant now besides a rough estimate.
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People don't harvest early on purpose. They just don't know better. Usually they are over eager to smoke their product and convince themselves that it's done when it's not.

Also people harvest early because they do look at trichomes and misjudge them. Looking at trichomes on sugar leaves, looking at trichomes ambered from physical damage, etc.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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The main reason to keep track imo is to gauge your progress speed wise, assuming you’re using the same plants.

It’s mainly just a new grower thing where I want to keep tabs on everything and make sure it’s moving right until I get a feel for it.

I don’t get why anybody would harvest early on purpose, if you’re gonna put so much time and effort into something why blow it on the last 5% lol.

If trichomes didn’t exist I could see people wanting to rely on grower estimates but since you can check for yourself it’s irrelevant now besides a rough estimate.


I’m after some knock you down coma weed. The most exciting part of this for me is being able to harvest it at different times and see how it compares to the stuff I’ve been smoking forever.

I can’t wait to try some some super long flower buds.
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If you want "knock down coma weed" then grow a strain with those characteristics and harvest when it's done. No need to look at trichomes. That whole amber, cloudy, clear is given to much credence.



Billy the Mountain said:
I agree that the number is not important and the plant will dictate when to flip or chop. I'm simply suggesting that if one is going to state X number of days, we should be referring to the same scale.
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I understand your point. People should use the same methodology.

NASA lost the Mars Climate Orbiter because the numbers were off.

An investigation indicated that the failure resulted from a navigational error due to commands from Earth being sent in English units (in this case, pound-seconds) without being converted into the metric standard (Newton-seconds).

The error caused the orbiter to miss its intended orbit (87 to 93 miles or 140 to 50 kilometers) and to fall into the Martian atmosphere at approximately 35 miles (57 kilometers) in altitude and to disintegrate due to atmospheric stresses.

solarsystem.nasa.gov

Mars Climate Orbiter - NASA Science

Key Facts Launch Dec. 11, 1998 Launch Site Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida Launch Vehicle Delta II End of Mission Sept. 23, 1999, lost on arrival
solarsystem.nasa.gov solarsystem.nasa.gov
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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xtsho said:
If you want "knock down coma weed" then grow a strain with those characteristics and harvest when it's done. No need to look at trichomes. That whole amber, cloudy, clear is given to much credence.





I understand your point. People should use the same methodology.

NASA lost the Mars Climate Orbiter because the numbers were off.

An investigation indicated that the failure resulted from a navigational error due to commands from Earth being sent in English units (in this case, pound-seconds) without being converted into the metric standard (Newton-seconds).

The error caused the orbiter to miss its intended orbit (87 to 93 miles or 140 to 50 kilometers) and to fall into the Martian atmosphere at approximately 35 miles (57 kilometers) in altitude and to disintegrate due to atmospheric stresses.

solarsystem.nasa.gov

Mars Climate Orbiter - NASA Science

Key Facts Launch Dec. 11, 1998 Launch Site Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida Launch Vehicle Delta II End of Mission Sept. 23, 1999, lost on arrival
solarsystem.nasa.gov solarsystem.nasa.gov
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Much like how I use EC instead of ppm when talking about feed strength.
 
tkmk

tkmk

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Yeah I started a few in soil and then decided to try one in coir after reading about it.

Definitely going all coir from now on. To me it’s easier than soil and the plant is way bigger and faster.
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I did the same thing and ill never go back to soil.
 
Medskunk

Medskunk

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Keeping a track of your dates is good if you re just starting and not only. I still do after 2.5 years growing. Reminders on phone is saviour!

All milky is a good indicator but easy to get it complexed. You ll realise soon after your 2nd grow when its all milky on the bud. Its obvious with naked eye. Is just white.

Another thing i noticed is that right before all milky the TOP 4-5 pistils will start a swirling action. Right about there keep your antennas on. Up down 10-15days
 
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