Where are the jobs? Oh here are some

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ChesusRice

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Grandpapy said:
I had to change out ball screw on a Mattsura down in Fremont a few years back and the shop had just set up 4 new Mazak's, they were all supplied by a central "Tool Crib." Incredible. The bad part, they still had to have someone unload the billet's off the truck!!:razz:
It's really kind of scary what we are capable of doing with machines. 20 years ago it would of taken 6 people to run that thing that one person can do now. In half the time!
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If you can change a ball screw and do other maintenance
By all means go get a job as a maintenance tech
your talking long term 80k a year
 
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althor

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canndo said:
That experience proves that people don't want to work, right? I would like for anyone to explain how people as a whole became lazy between the time unemployment of 5 percent and less and now. Those with cars and houses and families are not likely to be willing to "scrape by" on a few hundred dollars a week in welfare. I think it is sad that those with jobs have to find a group to feel superior to. "well you are lazy and I am not" when the irrefutable fact is that there are not enough jobs to go around.


Beyond that, althor, you are going to have to take a stance. Either there are no jobs (and it is Obama's fault) or there are. If there are jobs and people are simply too lazy to work, then how are you going to blame Obama for that?
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Have I said there are no jobs to be found? I know I have said myself and a few other small business owners I know are not hiring because we are concerned about upcoming changes and what our responsibilities will be when they happen. I dont think I have said there are no jobs to be found.

Here as a very good example. My employee's girlfriend was laid off about 2 years ago. She immediately filed for whatever aid she could get, and for unemployment benefits. At no point during her unemployment did she even attempt to look for a job. When her last check arrived she said she was going to start looking. My employee receives a call at work, "hey good news, they extended my unemployment, now I dont have to look for a job". She did the same thing when the expiration was approaching the second time. Same thing happened.
And again the third time. When it finally did run out, I dont know exactly how long but it was very long, she went to Walmart and was hired immediately. Since then she has started another job that pays better. She had no problem finding a job when she actually bothered to look for one.

I have also said many times how in the past 2 years I have had at most 3 people walk onto a job and ask if I had work available.

I generally am the first to say, any man who wants to work can if he is willing to do whatever it takes.

No, I think the biggest problem we are encountering these days are the younger generations entitlement attitude and think they should be able to hang out and do whatever they want to do and someone else pay for it.

Also the reason I am so against any type of tax raises on anyone, rich or poor. The government already takes plenty enough of our taxes, they need to quit wasting the hell out of it.

Does that mean that the economy is good? Hell no, the economy is NOT good. We are spending 4 trillion a year, earning 2.5 trillion a year and over 14trillion in debt to countries we damned sure dont need to be in debt.

Things have to change and change fast for us to not eventually go off the cliff.
I also dont think we can change the course we are on, doesnt matter who is president. The only way we could fix the problems we have would be with a dictator who could do whatever he chose to do. I AM NOT ADVOCATING A DICTATOR. Our government is much too large and corrupt for any president to make any real changes that can save us from where we are heading.

I will go on record now, USA will go the way of the former Soviet Union within 20 years.
 
canndo

canndo

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althor said:
Have I said there are no jobs to be found? I know I have said myself and a few other small business owners I know are not hiring because we are concerned about upcoming changes and what our responsibilities will be when they happen. I dont think I have said there are no jobs to be found.

Here as a very good example. My employee's girlfriend was laid off about 2 years ago. She immediately filed for whatever aid she could get, and for unemployment benefits. At no point during her unemployment did she even attempt to look for a job. When her last check arrived she said she was going to start looking. My employee receives a call at work, "hey good news, they extended my unemployment, now I dont have to look for a job". She did the same thing when the expiration was approaching the second time. Same thing happened.
And again the third time. When it finally did run out, I dont know exactly how long but it was very long, she went to Walmart and was hired immediately. Since then she has started another job that pays better. She had no problem finding a job when she actually bothered to look for one.

I have also said many times how in the past 2 years I have had at most 3 people walk onto a job and ask if I had work available.

I generally am the first to say, any man who wants to work can if he is willing to do whatever it takes.

No, I think the biggest problem we are encountering these days are the younger generations entitlement attitude and think they should be able to hang out and do whatever they want to do and someone else pay for it.

Also the reason I am so against any type of tax raises on anyone, rich or poor. The government already takes plenty enough of our taxes, they need to quit wasting the hell out of it.

Does that mean that the economy is good? Hell no, the economy is NOT good. We are spending 4 trillion a year, earning 2.5 trillion a year and over 14trillion in debt to countries we damned sure dont need to be in debt.

Things have to change and change fast for us to not eventually go off the cliff.
I also dont think we can change the course we are on, doesnt matter who is president. The only way we could fix the problems we have would be with a dictator who could do whatever he chose to do. I AM NOT ADVOCATING A DICTATOR. Our government is much too large and corrupt for any president to make any real changes that can save us from where we are heading.

I will go on record now, USA will go the way of the former Soviet Union within 20 years.
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Actually, what you said Althos, is that Obama was keeping you from hiring. We had the discussion that there is always uncertainty in business and this situation is no different. The future goes to the bold in business and not the timid, those cowering in their business corners will complain that they didn't see the turnaround coming - I suggest you tell your business owner friends that sucessful businesses are made in uncertain times.


You seem to maintain the notion that your personal experiences are stand ins for the reality of an entire nation, You are to be forgiven as many on the right have that same view, if it is happening to them, it must be happening to everyone. If they don't see a thing, it must not be happening at all.

The fact is that people in general in this nation are not working - not because they are lazy, but because either the economics of their situation don't work (they have to drive too far, they have to pay more than they make) or there are not jobs to be had.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
And we see how that works among conservatives. When one is so impared that one cannot accept let along perceive reality, one has little chance to .... think critically.
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"conservatives"? Really? Aren't you the one that argues "voter suppression" laws disproportionately affect the poor (unemployed) you claim lean Democratic? Why, yes, I do believe you are. WTF happened to your spelling skills?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
If you can push a button and read a Digital caliper and Micrometer you can start making 14 bucks an hour Right fucking now No one wants the work We just hired a guy who is real smart been a machinist for 30 years Hasnt worked in 30 months His choice
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If you can set up and program the machines, you can demand, and get, double that. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (a year ago), a master machinist takes longer to replace than any other job category. I was laid off a few years ago and applied to 5 different companies. All five offered me a job.
 
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ChesusRice

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Red1966 said:
If you can set up and program the machines, you can demand, and get, double that. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (a year ago), a master machinist takes longer to replace than any other job category. I was laid off a few years ago and applied to 5 different companies. All five offered me a job.
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No such thing as a "master machinist"
I set up run and program these and other 5 and 6 axis machines. Im in a under staffed enviroment and I only make mid 20 an hour wages. I'm not the highest paid in my shop but im not too far behind
[video=youtube;ApNqwccb7nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNqwccb7nw[/video]
 
budlover13

budlover13

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ChesusRice said:
No such thing as a "master machinist"
I set up run and program these and other 5 and 6 axis machines. Im in a under staffed enviroment and I only make mid 20 an hour wages. I'm not the highest paid in my shop but im not too far behind
[video=youtube;ApNqwccb7nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNqwccb7nw[/video]
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What's so fucking hard about this work? Where you at? i could almost replace my and my wife's salary on mid-high $20's/hr. And i guarantee you i will be one of the best men in your shop.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Red1966 said:
If you can set up and program the machines, you can demand, and get, double that. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (a year ago), a master machinist takes longer to replace than any other job category. I was laid off a few years ago and applied to 5 different companies. All five offered me a job.
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Thats a sweet niche!
I just fix them, well, i did up until Jan. When the tendons in my shoulder tore from antibiotics. now I cant raise my arm over my head.
So the living wage I was earning is now out of reach. lol
Hey, to my credit, Ive come up with some cool ways to drill overhead!

I was at the Hydro shop today, (carbon filter quit) the dude says they have an opening, "But I don't think you can handle it."....WTF!
 
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ChesusRice

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budlover13 said:
What's so fucking hard about this work? Where you at? i could almost replace my and my wife's salary on mid-high $20's/hr. And i guarantee you i will be one of the best men in your shop.
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Nothing hard about it at all
Prepared to get dirty
Now as to being the best man in the shop
You need experience and training to get to my salary. but check this out.
if you dont know jack shit and have never picked up a mic
I can get you started anyplace around here for no less than 14 an hour.
problem is no one wants to do the work.



ManpowerGroup on Tuesday released the results of its seventh annual talent shortage survey, revealing 49 percent of U.S. employers are experiencing difficulty filling mission-critical positions within their organizations.
Although slightly lower than the 52 percent of employers struggling in 2011, a major percentage of total U.S. employers continue to face hiring challenges despite continued high unemployment. U.S. employers are struggling to find available talent more than their global counterparts, where 34 percent of employers worldwide are having difficulty filling positions.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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I'm in Florida, a low wage state, and I make upper 20/hr. Not a production shop tho. Have excellent benefits, too. Government/research work. Low 20/hr. for private businesses, same as you. I have lots of experience. It's contract work, tho. Been there 4 years now. Unfortunately, it takes an act of Congress to get a raise, literally! What state you in? I looked into a couple of jobs in San Diego starting at 25/hr., but the cost of living was much higher than it is here. Couldn't see any benefit of moving 800-1000 miles to have a higher cost of living at near the same wages. "Master machinist" is a job classification that is no longer in use. They call it a "senior machinist" or whatever, now. Basically, it's someone with 10 years or more experience setting up. In the late 70's, they stopped doing apprentice programs, thinking CNC would replace the skilled machinist. They were mistaken. Now there is a shortage of skilled machinists. Good for me, bad for businesses. Most the machinists here are union, but not me. I have a different classification, and get higher wages and better benefits. Tried to get boss to buy a Mazak Integrex (or similar twin spindle, twin turret), a new one costs too much for budget, and he refuses to consider a used one (wants the warranty). Of course, if he did, most any experienced machinist could machine what I make, so I guess that gives me more job security. If Romney-Ryan win election, our funding may dry up, but private shops may boom, too.
 
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ChesusRice

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Red1966 said:
I'm in Florida, a low wage state, and I make upper 20/hr. Not a production shop tho. Have excellent benefits, too. Government/research work. Low 20/hr. for private businesses, same as you. I have lots of experience. It's contract work, tho. Been there 4 years now. Unfortunately, it takes an act of Congress to get a raise, literally! What state you in? I looked into a couple of jobs in San Diego starting at 25/hr., but the cost of living was much higher than it is here. Couldn't see any benefit of moving 800-1000 miles to have a higher cost of living at near the same wages. "Master machinist" is a job classification that is no longer in use. They call it a "senior machinist" or whatever, now. Basically, it's someone with 10 years or more experience setting up. In the late 70's, they stopped doing apprentice programs, thinking CNC would replace the skilled machinist. They were mistaken. Now there is a shortage of skilled machinists. Good for me, bad for businesses. Most the machinists here are union, but not me. I have a different classification, and get higher wages and better benefits. Tried to get boss to buy a Mazak Integrex (or similar twin spindle, twin turret), a new one costs too much for budget, and he refuses to consider a used one (wants the warranty). Of course, if he did, most any experienced machinist could machine what I make, so I guess that gives me more job security. If Romney-Ryan win election, our funding may dry up, but private shops may boom, too.
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If you want to make the same part for the next 20 years
Then the union is for you
Unions are great
Union jobs suck
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
Actually, what you said Althos, is that Obama was keeping you from hiring. We had the discussion that there is always uncertainty in business and this situation is no different. The future goes to the bold in business and not the timid, those cowering in their business corners will complain that they didn't see the turnaround coming - I suggest you tell your business owner friends that sucessful businesses are made in uncertain times. You seem to maintain the notion that your personal experiences are stand ins for the reality of an entire nation, You are to be forgiven as many on the right have that same view, if it is happening to them, it must be happening to everyone. If they don't see a thing, it must not be happening at all. The fact is that people in general in this nation are not working - not because they are lazy, but because either the economics of their situation don't work (they have to drive too far, they have to pay more than they make) or there are not jobs to be had.
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I can tell you have little experience in business...lol......
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
If you want to make the same part for the next 20 years Then the union is for you Unions are great Union jobs suck
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In general, yes, union jobs suck. We don't do any production work here, tho. Nearly everything is one (or one batch) off. I make the same assembly 2-3 times a year, but the design changes nearly every time. They have tried to farm it out, but few shops are willing to bid on it and those that do couldn't meet the specs on it. I'm the only one that makes that assembly. Job security!
 
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ChesusRice

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30-1000 pieces
Everything is barfeeders
I used to work heavy forgings
This is harder since you are simultaneously running 1- 2 other mazaks while setting up
and if something new comes in
Everything is out the fucking window production wise Becuase you are either coding or fixing the code espirit spit out
last week I took my break
Cut off tool burnt up
Turning tool that followed it got roasted before it alarmed out
got everything back together to find the y axis off which resulted in a 700 dollar drill welding itself into the bar stock
and the whole day down realigning the main turret
You have the luxury of bringing every tool in by hand
I have to deal with 1.375 drills feeding in at 1500 sfm and 25 ipm
 
Red1966

Red1966

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I've done that type of work, I know the drill. Sad that the CNC programming software never quite lives up to the hype the venders put out. Haven't heard of any that can program a true helix. Have to hand code it, but it's easy to do, if you know how. Budlover13 (and most uninformed observers) think the work is easy. They don't realize the knowledge and skill that goes into making it look easy.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:
The American Farm Bureau Federation projects $5 billion to $9 billion in annual produce-industry losses because of the labor shortages, which have become commonplace for farmers such as Torrey, who said there were 10 applicants for every job five years ago.
“In the last year that wasn’t the case,” she said. “We hired anybody that showed up for field work. It’ll be interesting to see how many people we have knocking on the door this year.”

With the cherry harvest under way in south-central Washington state, the Sage Bluff farmworker housing compound in Malaga is only half full, with nowhere near the 270 workers it can accommodate.
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this is the result of mexicans going home rather than continuing to serve as migrant workers. the wage paid by farms has not kept up with inflation, and since you work a harvest then move on to the next, there is not "JOB" there. only a few days of labour for a wage even mexicans wont consider worth the travel to get. all the harvest jobs in my area (the north central valley) are all filled up (with mexicans of dubious legitimacy) and myself, an experienced farm hand, cant even find a job picking tomatoes. if you think migrant labour is an actual job then you have never worked in the feilds. people with a house, bills, mortgages or rents, kids in school, car payments and real responsibilities cannot just pack up, live in a car travelling from harvest to harvest living on subsitence wages untill the winter and then take the meager savings back down to mexico till the next harvest cycle.

do not indulge your political fantasy in areas where you are ill informed.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
this is the result of mexicans going home rather than continuing to serve as migrant workers. the wage paid by farms has not kept up with inflation, and since you work a harvest then move on to the next, there is not "JOB" there. only a few days of labour for a wage even mexicans wont consider worth the travel to get. all the harvest jobs in my area (the north central valley) are all filled up (with mexicans of dubious legitimacy) and myself, an experienced farm hand, cant even find a job picking tomatoes. if you think migrant labour is an actual job then you have never worked in the feilds. people with a house, bills, mortgages or rents, kids in school, car payments and real responsibilities cannot just pack up, live in a car travelling from harvest to harvest living on subsitence wages untill the winter and then take the meager savings back down to mexico till the next harvest cycle.

do not indulge your political fantasy in areas where you are ill informed.
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had no idea that labor for a wage was not a job.

next thing you know, they'll tell me that chewing food with nutritional value and swallowing it is not eating.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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nontheist said:
Where do you come up with this shit? Trucking and farming is your answer? You expect most people live in a truck for a week at a time or move to someones farm? Trucking and farming are for a special breed of people, all we need is an art graduate txting while driving a big rig. Farming (large scale) is something you don't just wake up one day and say "I want to be a farmer" it takes know how that you can't get from books only from experience. Successful farmers are generations deep. Its the same with tradesman it takes 6-8 years(depending on state) to become a master tradesman, it takes hard work and good mechanical aptitude. Most of us are generations deep and our numbers are thinning, ever wonder why it cost you $150 an hour for a plumber or electrician?
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he's not talking about farming he's talking about itinerant farm labour. migrant workers (not migrating from mexico, but traveling all around to find harvest work) driving a truck can pay enough to have a family and a house for those times youre not on the road, but the cheap farm labour market doesnt pay enough for anything but a few days work for a few measly bucks before it's off top the next farm for another 3-4 day "job". an itinerant worker cannot (and never has in all the history of man) make enough to support a family or join the rest of society. they are the secret homeless, who when they cant get a few days work harvesting they sell (generally stolen) oranges or strawberries or flowers on streetcorners to get the gas money for their next foray into the dismal life of a migrant farm labourer.
 
plantcity

plantcity

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ChesusRice said:
just pick a zipcode from a city that is near you (or a hundred miles away)
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Lol, I've been unemployed since last December. You can apply for jobs All Day Long, but to get someone to actually email you back and set up an interview? Might as well be the goddamn second coming of Haile Selassie.
 
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