Budzbuddha
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DJ Short Blueberry F5 is out there ( in my cart
) -I am looking to grab some from Oregon Elite.
Where are they now : 80-90's Old School Strains
- Thread starter NugHunter
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) -I am looking to grab some from Oregon Elite.
hotrodharley
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It’s my understanding from people here who run his newest blueberry is it’s not there anymore. I’d be happy to learn differently.DJ Short Blueberry F5 is out there ( in my cart
I am looking to grab some from Oregon Elite.
Tolerance Break
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90s blues is his new strain that's supposed to be... well... 90s blueberry. His f5 has very mixed reviews and nobody has found meaningful BB terps.DJ Short Blueberry F5 is out there ( in my cart
I am looking to grab some from Oregon Elite.
Oh, there's also "true blueberry". Not sure what its true too, but I don't know much about it.
Blue Star allegedly makes better blueberry plants with DJ shorts Genetics than DJ short.
Check out the blueberry threads on overgrow, tons of great info on good modern BB strains. Blue Star is run by a guy on overgrow who's pretty active. He pushes his gear alot, but the people who try it like it. He knows DJ short personally and has alot of good info. Dudes basically made a career out of an obsession with BB.
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Budzbuddha
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Always wanted a straight blueberry - old strains i have are Pine Tar Kush / 79 xmas bud / Mexican red / Deep Chunk / shiva skunk .
Want choc thai tho.
Want choc thai tho.
hotrodharley
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I maintain a true IBL Durban. Interest waxes and wanes. It’s a pain in the ass to maintain it PROPERLY! Example: you can’t grow any other strains because of the risk of hermies or nanners.
I would imagine it’s the same for any strain. How many commercial breeders are going to go through that and how many times are they willing to do it? As I said interest waxes and wanes and generally wanes. My $.02 worth on that.
xtsho
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What has happened to the strains? Instagram pollen chuckers have taken over. As for the old strains that you mentioned, it's doubtful that any of the current offerings are the originals. People claim this and that but anyone that has witnessed the nonsense in the cannabis world knows not to believe anything you hear. They're likely still around and being grown by people. But despite what some seem to think not everyone growing cannabis is on the forums. There are old time growers that have saved genetics from years past that are going about their business oblivious to all the cannabis forums and the spectacle that the cannabis seed/strain market has become. But you're going to have to know someone.
I think the only way to go back is to start from the beginning the way the old school breeders did. Modern cannabis genetics for the most part are just the same stuff being crossed back and forth. It's all mixed up and diluted so you don't get some of the more profound terpene representation you did before people just started dumping everything in a blender and calling it a new drink.
Your best bet is to acquire some genetics that have not been polluted by hybridization and try to recreate something. The original Skunk was supposedly a cross between an indica and a South American sativa. I crossed a landrace indica with a landrace African sativa and ended up with something similar to the skunk I remember from the 80's. It's not the original but it's close enough for me with regards to the taste and smell. I'm in the process of repeating the same cross only this time using a landrace Guatemalan sativa which is going to be closer to the Columbian/Acapulco that was supposedly used.
Start with what people started with 40 years ago before everything turned into one big genetics casserole and contest for who can come up with the silliest name.
I think the only way to go back is to start from the beginning the way the old school breeders did. Modern cannabis genetics for the most part are just the same stuff being crossed back and forth. It's all mixed up and diluted so you don't get some of the more profound terpene representation you did before people just started dumping everything in a blender and calling it a new drink.
Your best bet is to acquire some genetics that have not been polluted by hybridization and try to recreate something. The original Skunk was supposedly a cross between an indica and a South American sativa. I crossed a landrace indica with a landrace African sativa and ended up with something similar to the skunk I remember from the 80's. It's not the original but it's close enough for me with regards to the taste and smell. I'm in the process of repeating the same cross only this time using a landrace Guatemalan sativa which is going to be closer to the Columbian/Acapulco that was supposedly used.
Start with what people started with 40 years ago before everything turned into one big genetics casserole and contest for who can come up with the silliest name.
NugHunter
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IN my opinion this has a lot to do with why the traits we loved about the old school strains has gone away. When a lot of growers were forced indoors they had to adapt to the environment to the plants ,and the plant had to adapt to the new indoor environment. The aromas we loved may have been produced by the plant to protect it from other outdoor species of prey i.e. bugs,deer,etc. Once these plants were moved inside over time they may have realized on their own they no longer needed to produce these natural defense sheilds. Mabybe the reason some have issues now with bugs indoors when MJ has survived outdoors for centuries without bug issues??. Indoor plants these days can be very difficult .Maybe due too years of being raised on don pergion and caviar(name brand supplements) ..,instead of creek water and bat guano .Even the instant change of light to dark instead of a gradual sunset could be a factor. We have yet to produce a grow light better then the Sun
Blue brother
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Like it’s not weeks are there in love
I can’t say that I was growing the same way as them as it was years after I’d first tried it when I started popping packs, but it was still around at that time just not as readily available.
There just didn’t seem to be much variation at all between the phenos, everything was just slightly lemony or abit spicy. there are a lot of people who agreed with me about this stock too, it’s just not the same as the original nl5 x haze
xtsho
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EpigeneticsIN my opinion this has a lot to do with why the traits we loved about the old school strains has gone away. When a lot of growers were forced indoors they had to adapt to the environment to the plants ,and the plant had to adapt to the new indoor environment. The aromas we loved may have been produced by the plant to protect it from other outdoor species of prey i.e. bugs,deer,etc. Once these plants were moved inside over time they may have realized on their own they no longer needed to produce these natural defense sheilds. Mabybe the reason some have issues now with bugs indoors when MJ has survived outdoors for centuries without bug issues??. Indoor plants these days can be very difficult .Maybe due too years of being raised on don pergion and caviar(name brand supplements) ..,instead of creek water and bat guano .Even the instant change of light to dark instead of a gradual sunset could be a factor. We have yet to produce a grow light better then the Sun
PadawanWarrior
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There's quite a few old school cuts still out there. Depends where you are though and who you know. Lots of fakes though too.
Sofa King Smoooth
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My seeds for old school and skunky terps.
Going to be doing some basement tent chucking in search of the stanky good medicine.
if ya want old school. go to mr nice seeds and bid on their auctions. 18 count seed packs start at $15. mean gene just commented he lost seeds of his while buying several packs of mango haze from mr nice seeds. so he must think their quality is great. also youtube "shantibaba' and he has 1 video talking genetics. only holland breeder or genetics holder I trust to have all the best old school strains. mr nice seeds also available in usa now also. peaceWhat happened to the strains I grew up on ?The was chocolate thai and jamaican red hair too , occasionally some purple bud would come around but that was gone pretty quick It seems like strains now are like overbred puppy mill dog breeds .Buggatti v24 gold edition ..ill take the 69 v8 camaro... I don't want a Hybrid kaka doodle fruit loop mojito...I just want big fat alaskan big bud indica
I grew up (and grew) in the Hudson Valley NY near the Appalachian Trail and West Point. Some of the local growers I knew back then had some of the best smoke I have ever had in my 35+ years of smoking. Some had been growing the same strain for decades that was passed down from their parents ! g.I remember just 1 single week old skunk plant would reek like roadkill. The odor these days does not seem nearly as strong as back then. I remember when weed started getting really good (mid 90;"s) the seeds started to disapear unless you were getting low grade comercial. Now you wont find seeds in weed you buy
I would love to come across an actual Skunk #1 or Northern Lights or Christmas Bud or locally grown strain that been regenerated . Farmers who didn't bring seeds/clones in from an outside breeder but instead maintained their own strains year after year, Like we did in the "old days".
There has to be some out there left in dem there hills..
jimihendrix1
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As has been suggested if you want some good 80s-90s genetics AKBeanBrains is a great place to start.
Hes got original 80s NL5 x Haze. Nl5 x NL5 from the 90s. Sensi Star F4. 90s Kali Mist. 95 Black Domina BX, Williams Wonder. Beatrix Choice, Chocolate Thai, NL1, NL9, Romulan BX, SSSC M48, 80s SSSC Durban, Freezeland IBL. Vintage Blueberry.
You can contact Dave directly for a complete list of his seeds, and he also is very generous with freebies. dankortowne@gmail.com He has many more seeds than I listed, most are hybrids.
Also forget Sensi Seeds. They advertise NL, but it is not NL5. Its a hybrid. They used to have a great NL5 but lost the main genetics a long time ago. They no longer advertise their NL as NL5.
If you want the original Sk1 from the 80s ( No RKS ) you want to get it from Authentic Genetics. He got it straight from Mel Frank, who got it in 1988, and has only been bred 2 times, so its not bred to death with bad selections.
Authentic Genetics also has NL5 Before it went to Holland, and is different than AKBB NL5. Both are very good. NL5 from AKBB is what most remember as NL5 as the Authentic Genetics NL5 was never released to the public until about 1-2 years ago. And these genetics came straight from Seattle Greg.
Authentic Genetics also has the main strain that is the building block of all NL hybrids. Its called Purest Indica.
Authentic Genetics also has original NL1, and NL2. Many feel the NL2 is the best of all of it, but the NL5 breeds with other plants better, and isnt as dominant in crosses. But this NL5 wouldnt be the AG version but the AKBeanBrains version.
Crickets and Cicada just released of Nevils original Hashplant genetics which was more worked than Nevils. It was called Puck BC3, and he also had hybrids of it. If you want the Puck BC3 you better jump on it while its still available. This was the second drop and about a week, and its solld out in most places, and sold out within minutes after it was released. The Seed Source still has some packs, but like I said, they wont last long.
The Puck cut is a pheno found in Nevils original 80s Hshplant geneticsn abd as found around 1988. It is also kown as Skelly Hashplant. Skelly is probably the most sought after of all the Hashplant clone only cuts, along with its Mother. Pacific Northwest Hashplant. He also has a couple packs left of some crosses. Skunk x Puck BX2, and Sensi Star v2 x Puck BX2, and Bubba Kush x Puck BX2. I myself would get the Skunk x Puck BX 2 out of the 2 hybrids. He also has the original Tom Hill Haze.
Nevil said that the Hashplant he created was the most potent, and resinous weed he ever smoked. Dont let these Puck BC3 pass if you want the best Hashplant seeds available. Theres only 9 packs left. https://www.theseedsource.com/product/puck-hp-bc3-new/
The Green Stash Seeds on Strainly has the best price on NL5 seeds. This is the original Sensi Seeds version from the 90s. Not Authentic Genetics version.
www.strainly.io
Hes got original 80s NL5 x Haze. Nl5 x NL5 from the 90s. Sensi Star F4. 90s Kali Mist. 95 Black Domina BX, Williams Wonder. Beatrix Choice, Chocolate Thai, NL1, NL9, Romulan BX, SSSC M48, 80s SSSC Durban, Freezeland IBL. Vintage Blueberry.
You can contact Dave directly for a complete list of his seeds, and he also is very generous with freebies. dankortowne@gmail.com He has many more seeds than I listed, most are hybrids.
Also forget Sensi Seeds. They advertise NL, but it is not NL5. Its a hybrid. They used to have a great NL5 but lost the main genetics a long time ago. They no longer advertise their NL as NL5.
If you want the original Sk1 from the 80s ( No RKS ) you want to get it from Authentic Genetics. He got it straight from Mel Frank, who got it in 1988, and has only been bred 2 times, so its not bred to death with bad selections.
Authentic Genetics also has NL5 Before it went to Holland, and is different than AKBB NL5. Both are very good. NL5 from AKBB is what most remember as NL5 as the Authentic Genetics NL5 was never released to the public until about 1-2 years ago. And these genetics came straight from Seattle Greg.
Authentic Genetics also has the main strain that is the building block of all NL hybrids. Its called Purest Indica.
Authentic Genetics also has original NL1, and NL2. Many feel the NL2 is the best of all of it, but the NL5 breeds with other plants better, and isnt as dominant in crosses. But this NL5 wouldnt be the AG version but the AKBeanBrains version.
Crickets and Cicada just released of Nevils original Hashplant genetics which was more worked than Nevils. It was called Puck BC3, and he also had hybrids of it. If you want the Puck BC3 you better jump on it while its still available. This was the second drop and about a week, and its solld out in most places, and sold out within minutes after it was released. The Seed Source still has some packs, but like I said, they wont last long.
The Puck cut is a pheno found in Nevils original 80s Hshplant geneticsn abd as found around 1988. It is also kown as Skelly Hashplant. Skelly is probably the most sought after of all the Hashplant clone only cuts, along with its Mother. Pacific Northwest Hashplant. He also has a couple packs left of some crosses. Skunk x Puck BX2, and Sensi Star v2 x Puck BX2, and Bubba Kush x Puck BX2. I myself would get the Skunk x Puck BX 2 out of the 2 hybrids. He also has the original Tom Hill Haze.
Nevil said that the Hashplant he created was the most potent, and resinous weed he ever smoked. Dont let these Puck BC3 pass if you want the best Hashplant seeds available. Theres only 9 packs left. https://www.theseedsource.com/product/puck-hp-bc3-new/
The Green Stash Seeds on Strainly has the best price on NL5 seeds. This is the original Sensi Seeds version from the 90s. Not Authentic Genetics version.
Northern Lights #5 - Strainly
Northern Lights #5 for $5.25 per ea. by Green Stash Seeds on Strainly
www.strainly.io
Greengrouch
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I just bought a pack of th seeds bubblegum trying to relive my youth. First time I ever had any kind of real dank, blueberry was real big growing up too and some shit we called lemon lime headies, real light green kinda fluffy stuff with a smell between sprite and lemon pinesol
hotrodharley
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I’ve run everything blueberry from AK Bean Brains. Not one was blueberry. Not a single one.As has been suggested if you want some good 80s-90s genetics AKBeanBrains is a great place to start.
Hes got original 80s NL5 x Haze. Nl5 x NL5 from the 90s. Sensi Star F4. 90s Kali Mist. 95 Black Domina BX, Williams Wonder. Beatrix Choice, Chocolate Thai, NL1, NL9, Romulan BX, SSSC M48, 80s SSSC Durban, Freezeland IBL. Vintage Blueberry.
You can contact Dave directly for a complete list of his seeds, and he also is very generous with freebies. dankortowne@gmail.com He has many more seeds than I listed, most are hybrids.
Also forget Sensi Seeds. They advertise NL, but it is not NL5. Its a hybrid. They used to have a great NL5 but lost the main genetics a long time ago. They no longer advertise their NL as NL5.
If you want the original Sk1 from the 80s ( No RKS ) you want to get it from Authentic Genetics. He got it straight from Mel Frank, who got it in 1988, and has only been bred 2 times, so its not bred to death with bad selections.
Authentic Genetics also has NL5 Before it went to Holland, and is different than AKBB NL5. Both are very good. NL5 from AKBB is what most remember as NL5 as the Authentic Genetics NL5 was never released to the public until about 1-2 years ago. And these genetics came straight from Seattle Greg.
Authentic Genetics also has the main strain that is the building block of all NL hybrids. Its called Purest Indica.
Authentic Genetics also has original NL1, and NL2. Many feel the NL2 is the best of all of it, but the NL5 breeds with other plants better, and isnt as dominant in crosses. But this NL5 wouldnt be the AG version but the AKBeanBrains version.
Crickets and Cicada just released of Nevils original Hashplant genetics which was more worked than Nevils. It was called Puck BC3, and he also had hybrids of it. If you want the Puck BC3 you better jump on it while its still available. This was the second drop and about a week, and its solld out in most places, and sold out within minutes after it was released. The Seed Source still has some packs, but like I said, they wont last long.
The Puck cut is a pheno found in Nevils original 80s Hshplant geneticsn abd as found around 1988. It is also kown as Skelly Hashplant. Skelly is probably the most sought after of all the Hashplant clone only cuts, along with its Mother. Pacific Northwest Hashplant. He also has a couple packs left of some crosses. Skunk x Puck BX2, and Sensi Star v2 x Puck BX2, and Bubba Kush x Puck BX2. I myself would get the Skunk x Puck BX 2 out of the 2 hybrids. He also has the original Tom Hill Haze.
Nevil said that the Hashplant he created was the most potent, and resinous weed he ever smoked. Dont let these Puck BC3 pass if you want the best Hashplant seeds available. Theres only 9 packs left. https://www.theseedsource.com/product/puck-hp-bc3-new/
The Green Stash Seeds on Strainly has the best price on NL5 seeds. This is the original Sensi Seeds version from the 90s. Not Authentic Genetics version.
Northern Lights #5 - Strainly
Northern Lights #5 for $5.25 per ea. by Green Stash Seeds on Strainly
voodoosdaddy
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Akbeanbrains is pretty awesome for the old school stuff. Ran the loang probang x black domina and it was a bit too leggy for my low ceilings but it smoked pretty good. I think it would really shine if grown outdoors in a warm climate. my favorite so far is the columbian gold/panama red x a5nlshz f-2 freebies I got. It's the best bud I've smoked in years. great resin, bud/plant structure, easy to trim and easy to clone and a great up high. I'm running his 907 blues and a freebie called 90's mystery blue berry. They're very nice so far. about another 45 days until harvest. I've also got a couple of his tk nl5hz x black domina nw hash plant-nl1. They've only been flowering about a week but are already super vigorous. yep I'm a fan boy.
hotrodharley
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He’s always had some killer stuff. Like it that he sells direct too.
Rurumo
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Don't forget to check out Seedbay, look at BushWeed and Sam Skunkman's stuff. Some of Nevil's hard to find grail genetics, plus Skunkman is the original source of all of these Original Haze lines, including Tom Hill Haze. I have some of his Sk#1x Ohaze as freebies that are supposed to be quite good. They also used to have Verdant Green's stuff, but he is no longer listed. I wanted to pick up his Bluedigiberry F3s but missed my window earlier this year. They also have Madmac's THH repro, but to be honest, it's cheaper at Proseeds.