Which brands have a the best chemdawg-dog representations, or versions.

morgwar said:

All respect, it's a difference of opinion and I'll not condemn anyone for following that logic, as mine has no more merit.
My belief is based on my upbringing.
I can't help fearing some part of the original is still alive.
The genes don't change. It's the same plant, and maybe it's ok with it, But I don't know. Or I could just be watching too much Dr Who.
I took bio, bio 2, biochem, anatomy, human anatomy, lol etc etc but that was decades ago. What I do know is that intelligence is undefined, and on a larger scale my life is no more valuable than that of a blade of grass.
Buuuttt! That grass was just as ruthless about crowding out others to meet its needs and if cloning satisfies your needs then it's just how it is.
My hypothesis makes me guilty where others are guiltless doing the same.

Time for some Rick and Morty reruns lol

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Even if the plant is conscious and continues to be so, clone-to-clone, how is that "upsetting"? Imagine being able to live your life, over and over, fulfilling purpose, yet perpetually getting "better" (assuming optimal "environment"). Sounds like an awesome place "to be".

Topdawg and Mycotek are two that I know of. I've run Topdawg's "Tres Stardawg 2.0", love it. I have a pack of Mycotek's "Hellbreath" that I'm about to pop.

morgwar said:

All respect, it's a difference of opinion and I'll not condemn anyone for following that logic, as mine has no more merit.
My belief is based on my upbringing.
I can't help fearing some part of the original is still alive.
The genes don't change. It's the same plant, and maybe it's ok with it, But I don't know. Or I could just be watching too much Dr Who.
I took bio, bio 2, biochem, anatomy, human anatomy, lol etc etc but that was decades ago. What I do know is that intelligence is undefined, and on a larger scale my life is no more valuable than that of a blade of grass.
Buuuttt! That grass was just as ruthless about crowding out others to meet its needs and if cloning satisfies your needs then it's just how it is.
My hypothesis makes me guilty where others are guiltless doing the same.

Time for some Rick and Morty reruns lol

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Werd. I may have been a bit harsh. I watch plenty of The Doctor, I prefer Tom Baker era, and I'm Jones'ing for more Rick and Morty.

If I could let the plant die naturally and harvest then I would but unfortunately I can't. My comment about plant biology wasn't to suggest you're inept or not intelligent, I simply meant plants live a different life than we do. They have evolved to be able to regenerate and some plants evolved to live indefinitely, i.e. perennial plants.

Technically marijuana is an annual plant so I guess you could pick at that but I mean come on dude. You're using a computer so you obviously have committed to living in the consumer world. Unless you grow and raise all your own food, produce your own electricity/gas/various other utilities then you're unable to absolve the sins against nature you have committed by using such amenities of society. So not to clone or use clones because of the moral implications is kind of

ANY living things true will is dependant on its needs and natural state.
I liken it to the treatment of a bonsai tree.
Only people can create a cruelty aplicable to something that doesn't see or feel, and revel in the beauty of its suffering.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a "tree hugger"
I hunt and fish even dabble in taxidermy.
But I would never artificially keep something alive after its times come, or natural cycles finished.
This plant is an annual and it's supposed to die every season (as we all know), it's also supposed to reproduce sexually as apposed to asexually.
It has developed the ability to reproduce asexual as a survival mechanism, but not designed to do so in perpetuity. Genetic degradation and depression are the end result. Can you here it whispering "kill me"
NoW I won't go into telemerase tails and cellular lifespan but with all that aside it's fine I'm sure for a few grows, but do it a favor and seed it out or let it go.
Fem only breeders remind me of the the tomato pack at the grocery store. Let that big tom bloom and Polinate next year the seeds produce cherry tomatoes.
Anyway I'm done I don't come here to push my crap on everybody.

And you are not a bad person for cloning just as I'm not a bad person for stepping on a cricket.

thenotsoesoteric said:

Werd. I may have been a bit harsh. I watch plenty of The Doctor, I prefer Tom Baker era, and I'm Jones'ing for more Rick and Morty.

If I could let the plant die naturally and harvest then I would but unfortunately I can't. My comment about plant biology wasn't to suggest you're inept or not intelligent, I simply meant plants live a different life than we do. They have evolved to be able to regenerate and some plants evolved to live indefinitely, i.e. perennial plants.

Technically marijuana is an annual plant so I guess you could pick at that but I mean come on dude. You're using a computer so you obviously have committed to living in the consumer world. Unless you grow and raise all your own food, produce your own electricity/gas/various other utilities then you're unable to absolve the sins against nature you have committed by using such amenities of society. So not to clone or use clones because of the moral implications is kind of

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Hey I'm also a humanist and feel this planet is a tool for furtherance like the billions more well visit it time.
Really, I have no judgement for those who clone it really is tantamount to stepping on a cricket lol. Ive just developed a soft spot for cannabis.
I like you're vibe man I read youre posts and learn from you and apreciate your point of view. But fu$##$ jerry man, look at him.
" I don't apreciate your unemployed jeans in my grandchildren jerry"

thenotsoesoteric said:

Werd. I may have been a bit harsh. I watch plenty of The Doctor, I prefer Tom Baker era, and I'm Jones'ing for more Rick and Morty.

If I could let the plant die naturally and harvest then I would but unfortunately I can't. My comment about plant biology wasn't to suggest you're inept or not intelligent, I simply meant plants live a different life than we do. They have evolved to be able to regenerate and some plants evolved to live indefinitely, i.e. perennial plants.

Technically marijuana is an annual plant so I guess you could pick at that but I mean come on dude. You're using a computer so you obviously have committed to living in the consumer world. Unless you grow and raise all your own food, produce your own electricity/gas/various other utilities then you're unable to absolve the sins against nature you have committed by using such amenities of society. So not to clone or use clones because of the moral implications is kind of

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Baker rocks I think he was the most formidable and darkEST of all the doctors.
Made a lot of nasty comments about humans but defended us fiercely and died with a plan. I think Eccleston had a great run in the new series. And I barely tolerated Matt Smith.
Pertwee sucked Peter Davidson had awesome companions. Lol I could go on forever.

@morgwar What if the grass is greener? I've never, not once, received a clone that I would have deemed "healthy". Generation after generation of clones have done nothing, but become bigger and better. Suppose I'm giving them a second/third/fourth/100'th chance to be the best they can be? Who wouldn't want the chance to do it all over again, only "bigger and better"?

If I had a "round two"... I wouldn't change a thing, but it would be cool to do it again.

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@morgwar What if the grass is greener? I've never, not once, received a clone that I would have deemed "healthy". Generation after generation of clones have done nothing, but become bigger and better. Suppose I'm giving them a second/third/fourth/100'th chance to be the best they can be? Who wouldn't want the chance to do it all over again, only "bigger and better"?

If I had a "round two"... I wouldn't change a thing, but it would be cool to do it again.

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To show I'm a good sport. this article PROVES ME WRONG. Clone on my friends and I will partake!

In striking contrast to animals, plants are able to develop and reproduce in the presence of significant levels of genome damage. This is seen clearly in both the viability of plants carrying knockouts for key recombination and DNA repair genes, which are lethal in vertebrates, and in the impact of telomere dysfunction. Telomerase knockout mice show accelerated ageing and severe developmental phenotypes, with effects on both highly proliferative and on more quiescent tissues, while cell death in Arabidopsis tert mutants is mostly restricted to actively dividing meristematic cells. Through phenotypic and whole-transcriptome RNAseq studies, we present here an analysis of the response of Arabidopsis plants to the continued presence of telomere damage. Comparison of second-generation and seventh-generation tert mutant plants has permitted separation of the effects of the absence of the telomerase enzyme and the ensuing chromosome damage. In addition to identifying a large number of genes affected by telomere damage, many of which are of unknown function, the striking conclusion of this study is the clear difference observed at both cellular and transcriptome levels between the ways in which mammals and plants respond to chronic telomeric damage.

In short if you were to clone vertebrate cells they would degrade and die from shortened telemerase structuring due to cellular division and erosion from accumulated oxidization.
Plants however seem to correct this damage with better innate gene editing and repair abillities.

This means that long after a horrible nuclear war plants and cock roaches will laugh at us lolololol

What's interesting is allot of these studies follow the cher noble incident.
Each time one of our cells divide a part of the telomerase is damaged causing age.
The food we eat the air we breath oxidizes and causes further damage causing the cell to die.
Old age comes with a reduced number of functioning and reproducing cells.
With a plant this is avoided so a plant clone, being wholly from the cells of its mother would simply continue correcting it's own chromosomes and continue.

I'll tell you what man I'm beginning to believe this plant has solely designed itself for our needs as a symbiotic organism.

Anybody heard of classics seeds?
I've found a couple good reviews and threads on other forums .
I'm not happy about the super skunk, but these look like they have a mix of top dawg genetics.

"Mixed Mutts (SuperStar Dog x Chemdog) x (Chemdog x Super Skunk) it's several Chems grown to test till found the best ones and crossed them to each other and then the best 2 crosses used to cross them again. It's almost pure Chem except for the Super Skunk added to one of the Chems. It's not a good outdoor strain unless your in a area where it stays dry throught October. Little longer flowering than the others by 1 weeks so expect 9-11 weeks flowering time indoors, but the bigger buds are worth the extra week. (Picture of seeded mother plant)".

Never ordered from seeds here now. But two failures to launch and then exceeded server errors for three days on top of not stocking anything out of top Dawgs catalog I wanted, or sold out imediately.
Well might be my loss but I don't need that hassle in this day and age

morgwar said:

Hey I'm also a humanist and feel this planet is a tool for furtherance like the billions more well visit it time.
Really, I have no judgement for those who clone it really is tantamount to stepping on a cricket lol. Ive just developed a soft spot for cannabis.
I like you're vibe man I read youre posts and learn from you and apreciate your point of view. But fu$##$ jerry man, look at him.
" I don't apreciate your unemployed jeans in my grandchildren jerry"

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Alright dude well next time u go to the hospital make sure we all know u are Dnr/dni so we don't waste time doing CPR.
U step on a cricket and take a life but won't work to keep one.. maybe you will reincarnate as that cricket so you can see your error.

BTW I wouldn't spend 100+ on gear until you learn how to water. Those babies on page one are trying to tell u they don't like what you're doing. Go get some GPS black gold when it's on auction at 20 dollars just don't come in here telling us they suck if it doesn't turn out.
The seed gives you the potential how closely get to it is up to you!

ziggaro said:

Alright dude well next time u go to the hospital make sure we all know u are Dnr/dni so we don't waste time doing CPR.
U step on a cricket and take a life but won't work to keep one.. maybe you will reincarnate as that cricket so you can see your error.

BTW I wouldn't spend 100+ on gear until you learn how to water. Those babies on page one are trying to tell u they don't like what you're doing. Go get some GPS black gold when it's on auction at 20 dollars just don't come in here telling us they suck if it doesn't turn out.
The seed gives you the potential how closely get to it is up to you!

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Woah hey fella how's it going?
Having a bad day?
Need a hug?
If you read everything you'll see I set myself straight on cloning.
I did mention they had been transplanted, I let em dry out first so the soil shrinks away from the sides.
What's really bothering you man?
I'll listen

Oh and I am the cricket, one day I'll get squashed, just like everyone else.
Here's a little tip snowflake.

"Nobody belongs anywhere,
nobodies here on purpose,
we're all gonna die"

morgwar said:

Woah hey fella how's it going?
Having a bad day?
Need a hug?
If you read everything you'll see I set myself straight on cloning.
I did mention they had been transplanted, I let em dry out first so the soil shrinks away from the sides.
What's really bothering you man?
I'll listen

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Hey the post I quoted set me off on that one. Shoulda waited more than 5 mins before posting but still mean my advice. I've seen black gold [91chem x stardawg] for 22 bucks on greenpoint site. That's exactly what u want and it's cheap enough that you can fuck up without feeling too shitty.

ziggaro said:

Hey the post I quoted set me off on that one. Shoulda waited more than 5 mins before posting but still mean my advice. I've seen black gold [91chem x stardawg] for 22 bucks on greenpoint site. That's exactly what u want and it's cheap enough that you can fuck up without feeling too shitty.

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I got a bit defensive, it was a tough day at work.I apologize, and apreciate the tip, I'll actually be picking that one up.
Your posts and grows are solid.
Exit morgwar, a wiser man.

ziggaro said:

Hey the post I quoted set me off on that one. Shoulda waited more than 5 mins before posting but still mean my advice. I've seen black gold [91chem x stardawg] for 22 bucks on greenpoint site. That's exactly what u want and it's cheap enough that you can fuck up without feeling too shitty.

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I'll be picking up that cackleberry too, to cross with my cherry bomb and vortex aka (Gods p××××)?
Cherry p×××y anyone?
great tip man I'm still new to all the seed companies out there

You guys and your big paragraphs. ....

morgwar said:

I'll be picking up that cackleberry too, to cross with my cherry bomb and vortex aka (Gods p××××)?
Cherry p×××y anyone?
great tip man I'm still new to all the seed companies out there

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GOOD MAN! You'll love them dude these genes are vigorous. Plant them right into the medium too don't soak or paper towel or whatever cuz these babies are fresh. I nearly drowned mine trying to soak them cuz they popped so damn fast.

Details man. I wish I was witty with the one liners but I need more space to develop an idea

ziggaro said:

GOOD MAN! You'll love them dude these genes are vigorous. Plant them right into the medium too don't soak or paper towel or whatever cuz these babies are fresh. I nearly drowned mine trying to soak them cuz they popped so damn fast.

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YES sir! I always use direct to soil or direct to plug. Pointy side up so the root loops down and pushes the coty out going up.
If a seed can't make it that way it wins the Darwin award!