Which is better hid or led?

wyteberrywidow · Jul 12, 2012

I don't see your point?
Where am I wrong? I did not say led did not work in fact I said they are cool just not for a big space.
Please explain to me where I'm wrong? Pese explain to me what these scientist are saying that makes me look like I'm wrong?
Are they growing a pound with one light or something?

skunkd0c · Jul 12, 2012

Eraserhead said:
It's a 4 year old debate with no end as of yet.

High horse? I'm not sure what kind of reaction you're looking for out of me, I'm not going to argue with you or tell you you're on any horses.

It seems obvious you came here looking for the reaction
if you see no point to this thread why are you here ?

Eraserhead · Jul 12, 2012

Ignore list.

skunkd0c said:
It seems obvious you came here looking for the reaction
if you see no point to this thread why are you here ?

skunkd0c · Jul 12, 2012

Eraserhead said:
Ignore list.

You came to this thread to give your opinion .. which is that you think this thread in your opinion
is of no value

you would of wasted less of your time if you had resisted the urge to troll here
although wasting your time maybe your favorite hobby, who am i to judge
good luck in your totally illogical world

hyroot · Jul 12, 2012

You say you yield more and better with hid. Use google its not hard to find any of the studies. Or go through my posts. weight is not just light, its strain , air quality. Nutes, temp, media, veg time. If you do everything the same 600 watts of led will out perform 1000 watts of hid. Until you do it first hand or see it first hand. You will make some excuse. It is what it is. Take it or dont. Its the ignorant that denies knowledge

Btw where is.the 1 pound sog under one light.

Also look up irish boy. He grew 19 oz off 2 plants, vegged for 6 weeks. I think they were in coco but not sure. He did that with a 357 mag plus He did similar grows with hydroled.

El Superbeasto · Jul 12, 2012

With that logic, we should all be using CFLs. I can get 1000 actual watts of CFL for less than $90 at Homedepot.

skunkd0c said:
LOL $600 , are you serious ???
for that much money i could buy 6 x 600w hps

Why would you respond to someone that just told you they put you on their ignore list? It's like talking to someone on the phone after you know they hung up on you.

skunkd0c said:
You came to this thread to give your opinion .. which is that you think this thread in your opinion
is of no value

you would of wasted less of your time if you had resisted the urge to troll here
although wasting your time maybe your favorite hobby, who am i to judge
good luck in your totally illogical world

wyteberrywidow · Jul 12, 2012

Let's see u have al b fuct thread u have stink bud thread u have the 600 thread. The grower Hobbes has a thread pulling pounds off one 600 on a light mover all here on this forum..

Irishboy let's see I saw his thread and being that he was given that light for free great..

Eraserhead · Jul 12, 2012

I wouldn't trust of any of Irishboy's grows. I do believe he is the owner of Spectra. Not only was he one of the only ones that got good results with those, but after a bunch of unhappy Spectra customers started to complain of warranty issues not being taken care of, within a few days of each other, Spectra was for sale on Ebay, and Irishboy said he's leaving the forums. Coincidence? Seems unlikely.

wyteberrywidow said:
Let's see u have al b fuct thread u have stink bud thread u have the 600 thread. The grower Hobbes has a thread pulling pounds off one 600 on a light mover all here on this forum..

Irishboy let's see I saw his thread and being that he was given that light for free great..

skunkd0c · Jul 12, 2012

irish boys grows are nothing new, led growers worship irish boy like he is jesus lol
they are quite impressive , but to put them into perspective , if you want to talk about yield 19 oz from 4 plants is not very impressive his colas are pretty skinny lol

[video=youtube;98LNukrfdaM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98LNukrfdaM[/video]

wyteberrywidow · Jul 12, 2012

Eraserhead said:
I wouldn't trust of any of Irishboy's grows. I do believe he is the owner of Spectra. Not only was he one of the only ones that got good results with those, but after a bunch of unhappy Spectra customers started to complain of warranty issues not being taken care of, within a few days of each other, Spectra was for sale on Ebay, and Irishboy said he's leaving the forums. Coincidence? Seems unlikely.

That just shot down irishboys respect!

hyroot · Jul 12, 2012

I did not know that about irish boy. I was barely into led when he was on here. But I saw his mag journal on grasscity. He was under a differnt name I forget. In all the reply posts everyone called him irish. He stated how he was testing the light for them. He got the light for free but only for the duration of that grow.

wyteberrywidow · Jul 12, 2012

hyroot said:
I did not know that about irish boy. I was barely into led when he was on here. But I saw his mag journal on grasscity. He was under a differnt name I forget. In all the reply posts everyone called him irish. He stated how he was testing the light for them. He got the light for free but only for the duration of that grow.

So after tht grow he gave the light back? Or he paid for it?
That doesn't make no sense at all to me. But w/e

skunkd0c · Jul 12, 2012

El Superbeasto said:
Why would you respond to someone that just told you they put you on their ignore list? It's like talking to someone on the phone after you know they hung up on you.

Trolls put folk on "fake ignore" it is a common troll tactic..
obviously you are new to the internet or you would not be asking such a nooblet question
but as i am a nice guy i will forgive your inept attempt at sarcasm and bring you up to speed

1, The troll thinks he has hurt your e-feelings by placing you on ignore .. trolls give themselves and their opinions a considerable amount of importance
2, The troll has such low self esteem he can't actually ignore anyone
3, Surely you know this, or are you the new troll replacement ?
4, Try to be a little more perceptive
5, Are you another one of those summerfags ?

El Superbeasto · Jul 12, 2012

Listen dumbass,

You commented to me first. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about your list.

And the "fag" comment is a little unnecessary. I have a wife and 3 kids and never touched or been touched by a man.

skunkd0c said:
Trolls put folk on "fake ignore" it is a common troll tactic..
obviously you are new to the internet or you would not be asking such a nooblet question
but as i am a nice guy i will forgive your inept attempt at sarcasm and bring you up to speed

1, The troll thinks he has hurt your e-feelings by placing you on ignore .. trolls give themselves and their opinions a considerable amount of importance
2, The troll has such low self esteem he can't actually ignore anyone
3, Surely you know this, or are you the new troll replacement ?
4, Try to be a little more perceptive
5, Are you another one of those summerfags ?

This is the 1st ever thing you've ever said to me, you're the troll. I never said anything to you.

skunkd0c said:
LOL $600 , are you serious ???
for that much money i could buy 6 x 600w hps and easy yield over 3kg .. 100 oz
and you can yield 16 oz lol ... ok i think that is pretty straight forward

I said this to wwb:

El Superbeasto said:
As much of an LED naysayer you are, you must have tried LEDs in bigger than a 2x2 area to have that kind of a "matter of a fact" attitude about the subject.

I'm using 465w of LED in a 4x4, and I'm quite content. My LED, tent, DIY hydro system all cost me less than $1000.

You are entitled to your opinion. Even though it's wrong.

Have you even used LEDs before?

YOU chimed in with your bullshit attitude.

So, fuck the fuck off.

wyteberrywidow · Jul 12, 2012

Alright enough name calling lets just have this discussion like we been doing without the name calling.. The op asked a question and people ate shedding light from both sides of the court..

Red1966 · Jul 12, 2012

foreverflyhi said:
Haha couldn't put it better self. Actually yes I can Some one early said that you can look up any hid grow journal and "everyone" agrees that hid is the best no matter what your growing. Well I'm not saying he's wrong, but obviously this dude is part of what I call the "obsolete" generation, it's a matter of time until all these dinosaur technology gets thrown away along with all these biased opinions about LEDs. Just like this guy said, you can look up any grow journal with LEDS and you will find honest results by honest growers who are breaking HID records with LEDs. You can quote me on that Also would like to awnser the question above me. 200, 2000 of 100000 it doesn't matter, u get what you put in, obviously most people skimp out and get cheap results. I'd rather drop 2000 on a sick led set up then 200 (sounds like a 2x2 used Craigslist gear) on a obsolete hid set up. In a short run that 2000 is well worth it

You'd be more believable if you didn't act like you think you're better than HID growers. "obsolete"? HID is still the most cost effective light. Someday the cost of LED will come down to a lower, cost effective level and that's when I'll buy them. Yeah, you can have a successful grow with LED, but you'll spend less and get better results with HID. Period. CFLs are useful for cloning and (very) small plants, but don't have enough power to flower with good results. The exact spectrum and ratios of light needed for cannabis is still little understood, despite the claims of LED promoters. You need 40 watts per square foot of LED or 50 watts of HID to get good results. To get to that level with LED is extremely expensive.

Red1966 · Jul 12, 2012

foreverflyhi said:
For generations indoor cultivators have relied on High Pressure Sodium (HPS) and Metal Halide (MH) grow lights to produce crops without sunlight, but there is a new technology entering mainstream that is breaking every record set by these technologies, and its name is LED. For the past three years LED Grow Lights have beaten down every record established by HPS and MH grow lights, as documented in hundreds of online grow journals and many YouTube journals. 2011 Dutch Passion Seed Company announced: "The new world record for a single Auto Mazar has been broken, it now stands at a highly impressive 350 grams following a remarkable grow by Seymour Buds from the UK. This grow will make a lot of people realize how far LED light technology has come in the last couple of years. The 345 watt LED unit (from Hydro Grow) only draws 290W and the effect seems similar to 600W++ of HPS. I never knew LED’s were this effective" In a recent article written by Dutch Passion Seed Company in the May 2012 Issue of Soft Secrets Magazine, the company talks in further detail about the amazing results achieved with LED Grow Lights by Hydro Grow, announcing another world record the lights had achievedWe were so impressed (with the Auto Mazar grow by Seymour Buds) we made him the first recipient of our new Think Different auto strain and he pulled a staggering 356 grams from a single AutoFem grown under a total of 600W of LED (two of the 300W panels) in just 75 days. Our interest, and that of many other observers, had been caught. We had never seen LED produce results anywhere near this good. LED has finally proven itself."Prior to grows performed with LED Grow Lights from Hydro Grow, the record yield for Autoflower strains from Dutch Passion was only 250 grams from a single plant grown under a HPS grow light. Hydro Grow's LED technology was now over-driving these plants, causing them to finish sooner, and yield 100 grams or more per plant compared to HPS. This is incredible news for the Medical Marijuana industry that has been waiting for a replacement for HPS due to inefficiencies like high power consumption, high heat output, and costly bulb replacements. Lots of people dropped there two cents in this thread, take it and invest in some quality LEDs so u can start breaking all those records that hps can do and see for yourself (even tho Led growers already have breakin all those records)

Typical sales pitch promoted by LED sellers. Cut and pasted from some Hydrogrowled web site. Note they over drove the lights, meaning they may have had to replace the lights several times. Now imagine the cost per oz. after burning out several high priced LEDs

Red1966 · Jul 12, 2012

hyroot said:
How about adding spectrum and par to the debate. We all know led and par t5 produce 80% more usable light than hid. the ass backwards spectrum of hid lights up a room more than it does anything for a plant. Plants only absorb 5% to 10% sometimes 20% (cmh, hortilux blue mh) of hid. The point of led is to produce light as close as possible to what the sun puts out and what plants actually absorb. Chlorophyll a and b absorb. View attachment 2252736

LED lights in no way mimic the sun at all. That's a ridiculous claim. The sun emits light in ALL the known spectra. LED lights are designed to NOT emit light in but a few spectra.

squarefodder · Jul 12, 2012

Red1966 said:
You'd be more believable if you didn't act like you think you're better than HID growers. "obsolete"? HID is still the most cost effective light. Someday the cost of LED will come down to a lower, cost effective level and that's when I'll buy them. Yeah, you can have a successful grow with LED, but you'll spend less and get better results with HID. Period. CFLs are useful for cloning and (very) small plants, but don't have enough power to flower with good results. The exact spectrum and ratios of light needed for cannabis is still little understood, despite the claims of LED promoters. You need 40 watts per square foot of LED or 50 watts of HID to get good results. To get to that level with HID is extremely expensive.

I'm a bit confused about the bit in bold. Your saying that humanoids have not figured out the correct spectrum for cannabis. Then you a human being to tell us that one needs less watts to do it with led and more with HID and hid costs more? You don't know what your talking about..... Glad you got your digs in on Foreverflyhi? Cause that's about all you contributed with that nonsense.

Folks, led is one light of many. Both led and hid are great light sources. One costs way more and is less familiar. Some folks will balk at change, this is what happens when new tech hits the markets.

Look at some growers who are in Europe and pay almost 50 cents kwh. Leds looks like gold to them.

To say that either light is the best for any situation is OBTUSE.

I use both led and hid. However I can see myself switching to all led in the future when prices come down a bit. With all that being said I own 5 led units.

squarefodder · Jul 12, 2012

Red1966 said:
Typical sales pitch promoted by LED sellers. Cut and pasted from some Hydrogrowled web site. Note they over drove the lights, meaning they may have had to replace the lights several times. Now imagine the cost per oz. after burning out several high priced LEDs

yes thats clearly an issue, shitty products are shitty products led or hid

Which is better hid or led?

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