which would you study?

pretty simple question... which would you study?

mephedrone, 3-fmc, 4fmc, buphedrone, ethcathinone, mdpv, naphyrone, or dimethocaine?

im leaning towards dimethocaine due to its numbing properties. any you would take off the list right off the bat?

i have been studying naphyrone for about a week.i dont find any recreational use.i would say it give alot of natural nrg.lol.feels like ur awake.no jitters.i've yet to study more than 100mgs at one time tho.i wonder how it would react to methylone tho.soon to find out in about a week.dimethocaine sounds to much like an illegal alternative to me.would only try the meph.i would definitely try the meph first.

by "dimethocaine sounds too much like an illegal alternative" do mean youre worried about getting caught by the boys in blue due to the analogue act? from erowid regarding mephedrone "4-Methylmethcathinone is unscheduled in the United States. It is possible that it could be considered an analog of a scheduled substance, in which case, sales for human consumption or possession with the intent to ingest could be prosecuted under the Federal Analogue Act though we are unaware of any such existing cases (Mar 03 200." i believe the "scheduled substance" is cathinone. plus there have been a few reported deaths with the stuff as well. safety is of concern as well.

the few reports of naphyrone report the same findings as yours. overall it doesnt sound too exciting. mixing it with methylone seems like it could be too stimulating. methylone by itself makes me clench and grind my teeth for hours.

mdpv is my second choice. it seems relatively safe from what ive read. and its completely legal. its an analogue of a schedule V substance i believe. and the federal analogue act only applies to substances in the schedule I and II categories. do you have any experience with this?

mostly thats not the type of results id like to experience.it sounds like itd tweak a bit.i chose naph to study for the fact that there didnt seem to be any recreational use.similar to adderal but a more clear or focused result.unfortunately i cant help you with mdpv.im fairly new to these studies.it does sound ok tho.im going to try mdai next to see how it compares to methylone.ive used a relaxer to lessen the body load with good results.but i will definitely try meph jus because of popular opinion.

CreepyStevie69 said:

pretty simple question... which would you study?

mephedrone, 3-fmc, 4fmc, buphedrone, ethcathinone, mdpv, naphyrone, or dimethocaine?

im leaning towards dimethocaine due to its numbing properties. any you would take off the list right off the bat?

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I would take Naphyrone out right off the bat, if you want to study it, I would recommend getting the smallest quantity you can find to study it minimally. I have not heard the greatest reviews from those studying Dimethocaine, becomes a bit dangerous on the higher dosages so I hear. MDPV I hear is all right, if you have an addictive personality, I would avoid at all costs.

Now... Mephedrone is badass, I would imagine buphedrone has potential. I would also say to give a go with 3 and 4-fmc.

really? what have you heard about dimethocaine? ive read its about 50-80% potency of pure cocoa. ive done powder twice and i highly doubt both times was nearly close to 50% potency. a repeating complaint is that its like it "but missing something". what exactly? im not sure. danger-wise wouldnt mephedrone be worse? ive read reports of people dying off the stuff.

and i sorta do have an addictive personality. although its getting better with age. (just yesterday ive resisted the urge to redose methylone!)

for buphedrone ive just read that it MIGHT be a safer alternative to meph. which would be nice since ive heard great things about meph. its only downfall being its danger.

and ive heard little to nothing about 3 and 4-fmc. i could find very little info on it.

have you looked into 6-APB yet?also if your having trouble deciding just order a small bit of each or the ones that you think would best suit your experiments.they should fairly inexpensive.thats the route i took.theres no experience that compares with personal.

i have not heard 6-apb. ill research that a little later tonight. have you studied it or just read about it?

as for ordering a little of each... thats a lot of chemicals to be sitting on lol. i dunno if i trust myself with all that. i suppose i could narrow it down to 2 or 3 tops.

ive only read about it but as soon as i can i will.the 4-aco-dmt is next for sure.that would be quite the stash to sit on.i wouldn't trust myself either.so i narrowed it down to three with one i knew i wouldnt be able to use much even if i wanted to.i ran right thru a g of methylone tho in about a week.had to try not to finish it quicker.

i did a quick google on 6-apb. i have heard of that. i actually was thinking about getting some. but the only sources i found only ship to the uk.

oh god methylone... i wish the dosages werent so high so a g would last longer. im trying to make it last this time. lol. ive had it less than a day. its hard not to open my lock box and study it all day.

but i wanted to try a stim this time. especially since the place i know is running a clearance sale on a few which is what initially got me interested in them.

CreepyStevie69 said:

really? what have you heard about dimethocaine? ive read its about 50-80% potency of pure cocoa.

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At max I believe dimethocaine is 1/4 the potency of cocaine.

CreepyStevie69 said:

danger-wise wouldnt mephedrone be worse? ive read reports of people dying off the stuff.

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Almost every death I have read from mephedrone use has been bullshit; when they went to ban it in the UK (and furthermore, in the EU) they were saying that pretty much everyone that OD'd did so from mephedrone.

For Example:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mephedrone-did-not-kill-youths-tests-reveal-1986193.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Fourteen-Year-Old-Gabrielle-Prices-Death-Natural-Not-Due-To-Legal-High-Drug-East-Sussex-Police-Say/Article/200912315501782?f=rss%20%20%20%20Quote:

And as to the legit deaths from mephedrone, take a look at the dosages the stupid asses were using! I read of one guy who od'd using 3.8g's. When the amount you need to get fucked up is like 200mg, why the hell are you using 19x that? lol.

CreepyStevie69 said:

for buphedrone ive just read that it MIGHT be a safer alternative to meph. which would be nice since ive heard great things about meph. its only downfall being its danger.

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I really don't think mephedrone, with a responsible user, is that dangerous. If you are worried about it, I am sure buphedrone would serve fine in its place.

hmmm... now that youve cleared up some misunderstandings i believe mephedrone has bumped up to the top three. given all its hype the whole danger of it was the only thing keeping me away from it. i will have to do more reading on it though.

now to narrow it down to 1, or bite the bullet and study my top three?

you mentioned earlier 3 and 4-fmc. i couldnt find much on it. just one experience report on erowid and a discussion about its chemical properties. which to be frank makes very little sense when talking about receptors and other things related. i can read and follow it. i just, for example, dont know exactly what certain receptors do, or what certain chains do, or what one isomer is like compared to the other.

What I hear is 3-FMC is more safe than 4-MMC, albeit not as strong. The effects are supposed to be similar. 4-FMC is Flephedrone, 3-FMC is a structural isomer of Flephedrone. I don't know how 4-FMC stacks up to 4-MMC.. probably again, similar but less potent.

looks like i have to do some reading on 4-MMC now. thanks shep

anyone else have any comments? no ones mentioned ethcathinone yet.

I would prefer to study on naphyrone as from that we get more of nrg which is really useful for many purposes whereas if we see other drugs then they really seems more dangerous instead of getting benefits from them.